Comment from matastrophik   (IP: 71.235.77.245)
Time: July 31, 2008, 6:47 am

What exactly was your recent experience death you’d prefer to see “straight up”? Being there as your father takes his dying breaths in a hospital bed surrounded by family, seems to me, to be comforting, to know you were there. Watching a family die a painful, violent death not so much.

Comment from Jonah   (IP: 75.70.79.69)
Time: July 31, 2008, 9:38 am

Watching your father wither away and die isn’t comforting, maybe more than abandoning him would be, especially knowing what it involves.

But the “comfort” Mr Bush gives the grieving Widows, mothers, fathers, sons, brothers, daughters sisters aunts uncles nephews…

Is his Absolute Assurance that their loved one died nobly, defending freedom.

If you want a literary equation, here’s one, absolutely free and worth every penny.

In Animal Farm, when Boxer the horse was dying, and the Pigs sold him to the knackers (dog food processing) while he was still alive (a month short of retirement), and told the other animals that it was a Veterinary Ambulance…

Benjamin (“none of you has ever seen a dead donkey”) The Blue-Collar intellectual, who could read perfectly well but didn’t show off about it…

Muriel the Goat who had gotten part of it… all the animals running alongside the knackers’ wagon telling Boxer to kick his way out, and telling the horses pulling the wagon to stop, to resist, didn’t they know that was One Of Their Own they were hauling to his death…

Later that evening, Squealer the SpokesPig said that the mistake was that the Veterinarian had actually just purchased the knacker’s wagon and hadn’t painted the new sign on it, and that Comrade Napoleon had stood by his bedside (a honkin’ big PlowHorse in a bed, yeah, right!) and he and the Vet had given him every comfort while he was dying, and that Boxers last words were “I will Work Harder!”

And the animals all cheered, except for those who doubted, like Benjamin, the cheers rang hollow.

Perhaps Cindy Sheehan could be compared to Benjamin. in a way.

But that is what Bush and his cheerleaders in the Chaplains Corps do to the families of the dead.

All you have to do is substitute a word here and there, not even change the syntax or the meanings of the sentences…

All Animals are Equal… but some are more equal than others.

Comment from USMC Vet   (IP: 216.70.139.84)
Time: November 20, 2008, 12:44 pm

The depiction of our combat wounded and dead has always been taboo in this country. The last time photographers were allowed to freely publish pictures of our soliders killed in combat was the Civil War.

The average American citizen just can’t stomach the site of our boys lying in a pool of blood with pieces of them missing.

It’s not a pretty sight, and definitely not one that should be “in your face.” No one wants to remember their loved ones in pieces on the roadside.

The Mother of the boy killed in combat should not be subject to the same gory images of his death that the men to the left and right of him saw when he was hit. She should not share in those nightmares…

Let her remember him as a boy, getting ready for prom, or learning how to drive. Not as bloodied husk left broken and twisted in the sand.

Comment from Eric   (IP: 205.168.108.2)
Time: November 20, 2008, 3:36 pm

Nonsense. Shielding the public from the face of war is what perpetuates our sanction of it. If a mother relinquishes her child to the military, to be used by its leaders to kill, orphan and maim, she for damn sure can face the consequences. Americans should ALL be made to look at the horrors we’ve unleashed on the rest of the world.

Comment from jonah   (IP: 75.71.160.71)
Time: November 21, 2008, 2:34 am

Remember the song by Naval Lieutenant Joseph McDonald?

Your USMC and your Army are telling us, and I just heard another commercial for it 20 minutes ago, that we should assist them in recruiting our sons and daughters.

I’ve pointed it out before, the ONLY time your military needs the permission of a Child’s Parents in order for the Child to enlist is when, in fact, the Child is a Child.

I know 17 year old kids will object really strongly to that characterization, but it is a FACT and one that is legally binding.

Since it’s highly unlikely that a 17 year old is a high school graduate, and in many states (Texas leaps to mind) cannot get the GED until his class has graduated, that means the “educational” benefits promised are just as much bullshit as any other promises made by the recruiters.

The parents of kids who got their asses shot off might not need to be reminded that they failed their sons by allowing them, without protest, to go into the Killing Machine.

The kids and their parents who are being told the line of CRAP about how glorious your war is and how great the Military Life is, those are the ones who DO NEED TO SEE THAT.

If you’re not telling them the truth, then you’re telling them LIES.

Does your pride in the Marine Corps extend to Pride in The Ability To LIE Effectively?

Remember the boot camp marching chant? “You had a good home but you left … YOU’RE RIGHT…

Your recruiter Lied and you left…YOU’RE RIGHT…”

How many of the Recruiters actually went off to the war? What percentage?

They’re chosen because they look good in the uniform.

And then trained to LIE effectively.

They’re given, in the Air Force, the pay grade of E-4 straight out of Basic.

They’re given a bonus BONUS for every kid they recruit over their quota.

And an additional bonus for those who successfully complete Basic Training.

They should be paid exactly $7.50 for each one they sell like that.

Paid in Quarters.

Go get yourself a $10 roll of quarters and count out $7.50 in case you didn’t catch the reference.

It isn’t very Damn Subtle.

Now the same channel that showed the Army commercial about Send us your boys before it’s too late, be the first one on your block to have your boy come home in a box… is playing a commercial for a Penis Pump.

I guess that’s where the target audience is.

Pretty awesome, huh, Marine? Your Marine Corps, the one you love so much… TARGETS American kids.

I know you’re not stupid. And you can see the symbolism in the way the Advertising Geniuses describe their work.

Sell the Hamburgers, sell the soda pop, sell the cars and sell the clothes…

And Sell DEATH to Kids.

If that sounds unreasonable and harsh, GOOD.
Telling kids that they’ll have a wonderful glorious adventure shooting other Kids is despicable beyond words, and “unreasonable and harsh” doesn’t start to describe it.

Showing them what it’s really like might not be as effective a tool for teaching them to resist the Slick Lies of the Recruiters, but if it saves ONE human life that’s a victory.

Life and especially Death ain’t never gonna be as pretty as YOUR Lying recruitment posters, literature and especially commercials show it to be.

Sometimes, and those times are coming closer together now, sometimes you just have to slice a great big steaming chunk of NASTY and serve it up Raw.

And this time, Marine, is one of those times.

Comment from blrenz   (IP: 75.39.113.77)
Time: March 27, 2009, 8:51 am

You show the Really funny pic, you know of the dead babys and women and kids. LOL it always cheers me up to see there heads explode into a pink mist ! or how about when thay are crawling around crying looking for the head we just shot off there whore mommy.

Comment from blrenz   (IP: 75.39.113.77)
Time: March 27, 2009, 8:56 am

am I the only one that see’s the one soilder has his hand tide? Fuck these savages.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.70.35.3)
Time: March 27, 2009, 10:49 am

Do you wait until after they’re dead to fuck them? Or just have your buddies hold them down while you’re doing it?

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.70.35.3)
Time: March 27, 2009, 11:04 am

I noticed from your IP address that you’re somewhere in the Dallas Area.

Richardson to be exact.

Maybe you’re thinking about importing your rage against the Iraqi people whose country you invaded..

I would advise against it.

You could go to Parkland Hospital and talk to the doctors there about how you feel killing people is somehow entertaining and then put a Sexual reference to killing children.

They’d know how to deal with it.

Comment from Exploited again   (IP: 209.12.251.130)
Time: May 24, 2009, 12:38 pm

Did you happen to notice your attempts to elicit outrage didn’t get across, and your readership seems to only be supported by your own writers?

Quite funny that you probably have no wish of truly standing up for beliefs. Those soldiers died for you, whether your willing to accept that or not. Whether or not they agreed with your views, they stood for your right to have and express them. Enjoy another day of freedom and take the fact that you can write anything you want for granted. Would you be willing to put your life on the line for someone you’ve never met and who has no respect for you? They did just that.

In the obituary do you display the picture of your father on his death bed? In his Coffin? No, the picture you display is last time he looked happy.

Comment from Eric   (IP: 71.196.145.135)
Time: May 24, 2009, 12:48 pm

NOT IN MY NAME. But as an American, I am alas, responsible for the crimes of inhumanity perpetrated by our military.

As an activist, I put my life on the line often to stand up for human rights and freedom. There are many of us. You and your soldiers do the bidding of corporate interests and oppression. They are the enemy of freedom. God Damn Them.

Honestly! God Damn you pea-brained, thick-necked, self-congratulatory moralizing thugs! Tomorrow, Memorial Day, I will hold a banner that reads, SOLDIERS, GOD DAMN YOU!

Comment from Exploited again   (IP: 209.12.251.130)
Time: May 24, 2009, 1:20 pm

Yes,
Damn them for ending slavery
Damn them for ending the holocaust
Damn them for allowing you to hold a banner that reads SOLDIERS, GOD DAMN YOU!

It seems you have much to learn about Memorial Day (Memorial get it)

Lucky for them they will be remembered, you however will not

Comment from Eric   (IP: 71.211.1.218)
Time: May 24, 2009, 4:04 pm

Soldiers didn’t end slavery, they enforced slavery until abolitionists forced the issue. Soldiers didn’t “end the Holocaust.” Every injustice has been ended by a determined people influencing their government. Soldiers can be thanked for doing a difficult task, but it’s in bad taste at a time when soldiers are perpetrating genocide.

Soldiers aren’t “allowing” me to do anything. They are the reason I’m stuck decrying their crimes. Really, these wars go on and on, due entirely to THEM.

YOU are caught up in memorializing war and violence, and you think it has accomplished anything. The US hasn’t defended itself since the War of 1812. Honor those veterans if you’re looking to thank someone for “freedom.”

Comment from francisco rellenito   (IP: 24.20.225.30)
Time: May 27, 2009, 1:11 am

Soldiers = Pawns

Comment from Nate   (IP: 62.1.168.82)
Time: August 20, 2009, 1:07 pm

Eric… I’m prepared to die so you can have such an attitude, and wave it in my face. We don’t “allow” anything, you’re right. We stand prepared to ensure that the American system, as flawed as it may be, is in place so that you’re able to express and exercise things like free speech, until the American people willfully give up their rights. The holocaust however, was ended by soldiers. The german people, in general, did nothing to bring it to an end. In fact when it was pointed out the majority of them refused to believe that it wasn’t fabricated.

If you want to rail against someone, try decrying the politicians who ordered our servicemembers into whatever place you’re going to whine about next. Or, even better, the ones who hamstring the efforts to finish the job quickly, so we can get out ASAP, and let the rebuilding begin faster. If something wrong is done, decry that action, and articulate it like an adult. There is nothing to be gained from blanket statements, except to show the ignorance and immaturity you possess. I don’t seem to recall ever seeing a US military presence anywhere that was determined by the military itself. Last I checked, our system is a civilian controlled military… That means an official, voted for, elected, and NONmilitary (it’s illegal to hold a public office and a military position) suit and tie clad individual ordered those w/ a camo uniform to go somewhere.

BTW, I seem to remember a certain day in Dec. ’41 in which we were attacked as well… Ask you’re grandparents about it, I’m sure they remember.

Comment from Eric   (IP: 98.96.69.102)
Time: August 20, 2009, 1:48 pm

Don’t die on my account, certainly not on somebody else’s land, pretending to “defend American freedoms while occupying others. What job are you bragging you want to “finish quickly?” Occupying? Extermination?

How about you put that bravura act into DEFYING to follow illegal orders. I’ll gladly accept your honorable death sooner than that of any more innocent civilians.

Was America attacked at Pearl Harbor? Look at a globe. The US had just spread its rule over the entire Pacific, more Japan’s neighborhood than ours. Why were their expansionist aims less appropriate than ours? Roosevelt provoked the Japanese attack on Hawaii and even turned a blind eye to their approaching armada, to be drawn into the war for control of the world’s oil.

Remember the Alamo, Maine, Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, is the usual jingoist ploy to coax an isolationist/pacifist population to endorse war. Ask someone who’s got an education, if you know any.

Comment from Tony Logan   (IP: 97.112.153.37)
Time: August 20, 2009, 6:31 pm

What many Americans now remember as the ‘Fight against Fascism’ is an incorrect memory of a unique historical situation. Many Americans actually (at the time) favored fascism during the ’30s. They liked fascism as it first began to rise, and many rich Americans especially were then cheerleading admirers of Hitler and Mussolini. What they began to hate later was actually German and Japanese imperialism since that began to clash with American nationalism and American imperialism throughout the world. And now these folk in this very same social class cannot imagine why others now hate American imperialism so? So stupid! they are!

Comment from Old MSgt   (IP: 71.68.193.144)
Time: September 4, 2009, 5:17 pm

There were plenty of photos of dead US soldiers, sailors and airmen published during the Second World War, and easily available now via Google Image Search.

Here’s a famous pic from the Pacific:

http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/WW2Pics6/buna.jpg

“The depiction of our combat wounded and dead has always been taboo in this country. The last time photographers were allowed to freely publish pictures of our soliders killed in combat was the Civil War.”

That does allow the public to forget what happens to vets and pretend that “war = movies”. More honesty in depicting it might also reduce PTSD by emphasizing that the military is much more that a way to afford college!

Comment from Proud Soldier   (IP: 192.100.69.146)
Time: October 20, 2009, 6:19 am

I dont care what any of these “extremists” think, I have a job to do and will always do it no matter what some un-american coward has to say about it. I will gladly be a part of an invasion on foriegn soil, kill who needs to be killed then come back and drink a cold beer. I say that if you do not agree with how this country is run, then be all means leave. There are countries out there somewhere that will believe in your ignorant views and stands up for human rights….. not. In the same ways that you can express you opinion’s about Soldier’s, we can also express our opinion’s of you assbags. I DO NOT go to war to support any of you human right’s/ anti military activists.. as far as I care you can drop dead right now… nobody would even notice.. would not be on the news.. in the newspapers.. nothing, when you die then thats it.. you are dead..nothing more! Nothing you stand for will be remembered involving your name. Basically, I want you to realize that you are fighting a fight that will not be won. If God damn’s anyone it will be the activists that lobby against Soldier’s and exploit thier deaths.

Comment from Tony Logan   (IP: 168.103.252.208)
Time: October 20, 2009, 9:17 am

‘I say that if you do not agree with how this country is run, then be all means leave.’

Well said, you stupid Nazi turkey.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 174.22.131.21)
Time: October 20, 2009, 9:20 am

Leave America to be run by YOU? What about those who would be unable to leave, and would have to live under your “authority”?

I’ll stay and stand against your coward ass and your Komrades too.

Do the Iraqis have the option of leaving THEIR country because they don’t like the way THEIR country is run by YOU?

Comment from Rangga   (IP: 125.161.144.163)
Time: October 21, 2009, 7:15 am

It shows how yellow “red blooded Americans” truly are to the core that they cannot stomach imagery of their own self-created violence.
Finally America sees what the developing world has tolerated for since 1945.
American Imperialists- taste our pain, bitches.

Comment from gabriel ramos   (IP: 69.228.128.80)
Time: November 12, 2009, 4:04 pm

who would put us troops blown to shit on here.Thats pretty fucked up

Comment from Nonya   (IP: 91.151.155.170)
Time: December 16, 2009, 12:02 pm

Well as simple minded as this reply might be lets start off with a big Fuck you! I have been here in Iraq for sometime now,(check the IP asshole), Doesn’t mean I want to be and certainly doesn’t mean I want their fucking oil, not everyone in the military chooses to kill, most of the military is a support element. Those that do kill have to follow the ROE, and if an Iraqi wants to shoot at us then we have to defend ourselves, again not because we want to maim an kill them, but because someone said we have to be here and all of us just want to go home. So you go right on ahead and talk your shit, i know your going to reply with some witty response and twist my words around and make me sound like an ass. That’s okay though I really don’t mind. Oh another thing to correct real quick, most if not all recruiters are combat vets nowadays and that also goes with the Drill Sergeants, so that notion that they look good in uniform and they sell lies, total bullshit, so do some research about that shit and stop complaining already, the “occupation” of Iraq which FYI is actually a security over watch so they can elect officials is drawing to an end so us baby killers can come home and be with our families and the Iraqi people can return to theirs, no one wants this, not us and not them, people in higher positions made those calls. Now get off our backs and write about kittens or something. that is all.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 97.112.131.19)
Time: December 16, 2009, 1:58 pm

And make it easier to have “people in higher positions” make the call to send you to foreign lands to kill and die for their money.

Yes, kittens are very nice… we must focus on nice things and not about those Not Nice “people in higher positions who make all our decisions for us”.

It doesn’t go away just by us or anybody else looking away from what it truly is.

Use your position to speak out against the orders, and against those who presume to be so much better than you that they’ll tell you what to do.

If you get out soon, use your position as a Vet to speak out against it. They’ve got all kinds of people who are willing to say “I fought proudly for whatever the hell they ordered me to fight for, so the rest of you need to shut up about it and sit back until they send your kids off”.

It’s quite obvious that they have plenty of mouthpieces.

Comment from PFC Forbes   (IP: 174.130.210.192)
Time: January 25, 2010, 3:18 pm

You know what, I was in the Army for a year. I signed up when i was 17…it’s not our parents fault that WE want to join the service to defend YOUR freedom.

And for the parents who have lost a son or daughter or relative…I feel sorry for them, but it’s not like they died walking down the street. THEY DIED DEFFENDING YOUR FREEDOM.

Everyone who signs up and chooses to go Active Duty knows what the outcomes could be. No one goes over there expecting to come home alive….they hope and pray they do, but they know the odds.

No, i dont agree with us being over in Iraq and all that. But I do support our troops that are. If it wasnt for 9/11 or our stupid ass Presidents, we wouldnt be over there.

Even if you dont support the war….SUPPORT OUR TROOPS. They are the ones who have been and will always fight for your goddamm freedom. And if you dont like people fighting for your freedom….THEN GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COUNTRY!!!!

Feel free to email me if you have any problems with my opinion…

Comment from Eric   (IP: 64.134.146.116)
Time: January 25, 2010, 3:27 pm

Dear PFC,
I don’t like people “fighting for [my] freedom.” It sound like you need to go find a country whose constitution requires it to send soldiers far afield to murder others and call it fighting for freedom. Most likely they’ll also have a dismal education system, so you’ll feel right at home.

I’m going to stay right here and fight to wrangle MY country from idiocy.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 97.112.145.118)
Time: January 25, 2010, 5:50 pm

When forces of “Our” government blatantly took away our right to free speech, freedom peaceably to assemble… there were by one newspaper estimate over 2000 active duty U.S. Military personnel standing by. Not one of them testified in court even. Not Even That Much, not even taking a stand that wouldn’t have put them in physical danger. Right Here. In America. They allowed the CSPD to physically assault elderly and disabled people for no crime whatsoever. The most anybody could make up was that the cops thought they had heard us “call them names”. I had to take a crash course in what constitutes Valid Reason To Fight. You know what? Being called a name isn’t one of them.

Several of the “fighters for Freedom” took the stand FOR the police, actually against 7 AMERICANS who had committed no crime, and more wrote in to the local newspapers and TV stations and of course the Local Hate-Speech radio stations to say that we deserved to be assaulted for exercising our rights.

You might say that’s fighting for freedom. And I’ll say you’re a liar.

You might say “get out of MY country” well, bubba, you don’t own one square inch more of this country than anybody else. Don’t even think about forgetting that. Some of my ancestors and relatives have been in “your” country for thousands of years. They weren’t granted citizenship until 1911. Less than a hundred years ago.

As I recall, the Army “defenders of freedom” had a lot to do with slaughtering these AMERICANS for 3 centuries of Spanish rule and 1 of full on “american” English rule before so nobly granting them citizenship and the freedom to exist in our own land. Did you know that the Declaration of Independence specifically excludes Indians from having any rights to “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?” The same ones who sicked the Pigs on us on St Paddy’s Day celebrate that as though it were an achievement. It’s been that way for a long time and never really gotten better, so there’s really no way, save fighting in the American Indian Resistance, that you would ever have possibly fought for anybody’s freedom. Freedom for a select few and complete denial of it to everyone else, that’s not freedom.

It’s been called Feudalism and that’s a nice safe name for it. That’s the “freedom” the Troops are fighting to defend or attain.

Comment from tim   (IP: 208.95.49.136)
Time: March 22, 2010, 6:38 pm

Wow eric, you like to jump around to all kinds of different points. I think you like to just hear yourself talk. What the fuck man? You go from Iraq, to Indian heritage, you obviously are insane. Take a chill pill and kill some kittens or something.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 168.103.248.208)
Time: March 22, 2010, 7:36 pm

Eric never claimed Indian heritage. I do. I like to trot it out when some idiot trots out that really insane “get out of MY country” bullshit.

Iraq happens to be the Latest war of conquest the U.S. army has engaged in. The first sets of wars of conquest happened to be America.

The unexpurgated face of war is an anti-recruitment aid. Something you won’t see with Recruiter Tools starting with the GI Joe dolls, playsets, cartoons, cartoonish movies etc. Or what they teach you in school or the Army commercials or the Play-War video games.

As you can see, a whole lot of people felt that we shouldn’t show anything like that, anything that would run counter to Government Propaganda about what a swell adventure war is. Perhaps you missed all that. Maybe you were looking for pictures of dead people to add to your collection. Well, you found some. We’ve also got some posted of kids who were killed because somehow, despite their age, they’re “the enemy”.

Glad you’re offended by it. We’re more than God-Damn offended by it ourselves. Pass it along.

People who are pissed off by displays of the REAL effects of War need to examine why it pisses them off. Think of how some Iraqi kid would feel seeing mommy or daddy laying there in a puddle of blood. Happens every day.

If people think about it, it’s a good way for them to start learning and stop advocating turning real human beings into real dead human beings.

It’s what we do and sometimes we do it well.

Comment from USMC0331HMG   (IP: 76.89.235.130)
Time: April 6, 2010, 3:57 pm

Dang! Jonah! WTF… War sucks dude! Suck it up!we are protecting your freedom of speach and press so go ahead and post what ever you like… I guess I’m about 1/3 american indian so my original roots stem from a native american background. I don’t hold the white man responsible for crimes of the past!!! That was a long time ago! our new tribe my freind is the RED WHITE and BLUE…The terrorist tribe flew several planes into our nation on 9/11/2001 so we are on a war party to seek revenge on those who want to abolish our tribe and way of life. I’m willing to give my worrior spirit in battle to avenge my people and our harritage! I spacificaly belong to the USMC tribe. When you post my dead brothers on the internet it is disrespectful to mother bear! You, Johnah are no brother. You disrespect our tribe and American Indian name! You are shamed and not a worrior…Which is the highest mark an American Indian can achieve! You will be considered a ovóhae’ov…COWARD! God bless our troups and my fallen worrior brothers. I will return and avenge you. Semper Fi

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 97.121.172.6)
Time: April 6, 2010, 5:57 pm

You’re fighting a For-Profit War of Conquest. You’re killing and dying to fill up the pockets of some of the richest bastards on the face of our planet.

You’re killing Iraqi CIVILIANS because THEIR nation has oil under THEIR sand and the Rich Bitch Greedhead Lying Cowards like Bush and Cheney and Rove want that oil.

You never once fought for my freedom or Iraqi freedom or even your own. Suck that up.

good to see you identify yourself by a number instead of a name, make yourself really non-human, right? That’s what YOUR masters want, for you to think of yourself as a replaceable component, just like if your break the firing pin on your rifle, you take out the broken one and replace it.

YOU chose to do that to yourself, YOU chose to believe the bullshit lies that YOUR masters told you to convince you to kill for their profit.

The PEOPLE you’re killing in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan and soon, Iran, they didn’t choose any such thing. Iraq never attacked us. Iran never attacked us.
Keep saying they did and I’ll keep saying you’re lying.

My spirit is given by God, and so is my mind. I can see when I am being LIED to, and if you claim to be Indian while lying, you shame yourself and not Indians.
Maybe YOU were stupid enough to believe that you’re fighting for something other than the monetary interests of YOUR masters. Lick their hands when they slap you, just like the Coward Dog you are.

How many kids did you kill today?
How many of those kids were even ALIVE on 9/11, Stupid?

You say you BELONG to the Marines, that means YOU sold YOUR soul to a murderous pack of BabyKilling Cowards. THEY own YOU. Neither they nor you can ever own ME.
You can’t even make your decisions for yourself, who you kill, Your Masters tell you to, just like a little cowardly dog.
You’re not Man Enough to disobey when they tell you to murder Babies.

Lie To Yo Momma, she might be stupid enough to believe it. She was stupid enough to believe your daddy.

Comment from Chuck   (IP: 141.154.66.233)
Time: May 17, 2010, 10:21 pm

This propaganda is so obvious that it’s laughable!

I spent 30 years inthe Marines and never killed a woman, child or baby…

This makes me wonder…’Brother Jonah’ who have YOU sold YOUR soul too?

Comment from Eric   (IP: 75.71.168.168)
Time: May 18, 2010, 2:39 am

I bet you can’t say you didn’t shine-the-shoes/file-the-paperwork/supply-the-rations/kiss-the-butt/come-to-attention for Marines who did kill babies. Care to explain the distinction?

Comment from WhiskeyTango0311   (IP: 99.6.72.75)
Time: July 21, 2010, 5:24 pm

True freedom is found in an loving and obedient relationship with Jesus Christ.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.163.235.240)
Time: July 21, 2010, 9:58 pm

Chuck, your Marines killed 120 civilians all at one whack at Granai. Mostly children. Your Army/navy/air force/marines are prosecuting the ONE soldier who had the courage to come forward with the real story, if they have their way they’ll have him in a Military wing at Leavenworth being TORTURED by cowards like you for 60 years.
And the idea that the Marines never killed civilians is shown by the statistics to be a LIE. Did the Marine Corps teach you to LIE or did you bring that forth from the depths of your own nasty foul soul? Repent, Sinner! Eric won’t tell you but I will.

WT… Jesus never said to torture or murder anybody. That would be true freedom.

When you’re in the military, though, you don’t have the freedom to be actual Christian, just to call yourself Christian, and only obey such interpretations of the Word as Military Chaplains are commanded to teach you. They’ve sold their priesthood.

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: July 23, 2010, 8:18 pm

typical american nazi flagwaving morons talkin bout how proud they are for rape, torture, and murdering people for their government.
if youre in the military thats your own fault, nobody elses. if you are more than willing to fight and die for them, then you very well should die for them. just dont try to claim that youre doing it for me. i dont remember giving you the heads-up on that one. oh yeah, while we’re at it, please, no more blaming your war crimes on god. jesus is very clear about people like you. and gotta say, dont think he’s a real fan of your work. go ahead and check it out. there should be a new testiment lying aroud somewhere in your trailer. and another thing, we get to speak our minds because WE the public demmand it,
not because it is so generously bestowed upon us by our gracious government and their attack dogs like you. you can say the same thing for the cross “lighting” at your KKKlan rally ceremonies.
you dont protect people, you idiot! you intimidate them. and when that doesnt work you are sent to murder them, whether it be at home or abroad. one could supply references, but it can very easily enter into the thousands. you’re gonna have to do your own research. its not a hidden secret, its just not reported as a problem. pictures of dead soldiers arent shown because it upsets the right, pictures of dead civilians arent shown because it upsets the left. we’ll leave that to you to decifer why that is.
and you can leave that “love it or leave it” bullshit out on the schoolyard. that shit dont fly with us grown-ups. we’re not going to surrender our land just because your brand of government happens to be in control at the moment.

Comment from brokengavel   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: July 24, 2010, 2:23 pm

you claim that its because of military people like you that murder children so that we can enjoy freedom. hitler also used the word freedom just as vague and casual as the u.s. first off, there is no freedom in america. we live under capitalism. we dont even need to go into that to explain, and come to understand that its actually a system of privilege. a system of punishment and reward.

if you play ball and do as youre told like a good little american, then, you might be able to slide through life without much of a blow to your well-being, especially if youre white, and/or rich.

but if you like to open your mouth and call them on there bullshit, well… the punishment can easily range from extreme to excessive.

it takes a special kind of asshole to even think about becoming a cop, or joining some military service to begin with. in a real free society there would be no governing bodies with any significant power to control the masses with the threats of a mainstream/right-wing corporate media propaganda machine embedded with the military, and controlled by the government, police violent enforcement at home, and military fear and intimidation everywhere else. thats not any kind of freedom that i know and love, and i would never even want my freedom obtained in that manner, no matter what the cost.

we need freedom for, and freedom from this and that, otherwise, there is no freedom at all. believe me when i say, people like you would not be welcome in an actual free society.

but then again, people like you probably wouldnt even exist if we had true freedom.

why is it that if you have fought for our freedom to speak, even if that means us opposing you, you still bitch and moan that we do exactly that? didnt you, already knowing this, join the military anyways? why would you do that? are you looking for a pat on the back? or you just need a reason to complain about them damn liberals trying to screw up your sweet deal of sanctioned rape, torture, and murder?

how is it that you can stroll through life with an undeserved, and false sense of pride and acomplishment? youre a slave! the worst kind of slave. it is self-imposed slavery. the only freedom you have is to choose your own master.

i mean, how many holidays do you assholes have already?

theres memorial day, veterans day, flag day, my new favorite patriot day, armed forces day, presidents day, tax day, you fucks are even somehow given credit for independents day.

how much recognition do you need for killing babies over there so we dont have to kill our own babies over here? wheres the pay-off? how could that possibly be worth it? maybe youre just so delusional that you believe there are more people that think like you than the rest of us on planet earth. after all, you do have more weapons than we do.

maybe you probably just dont believe that the rest of us even matter.

but if that were true, you probably wouldnt be crying and sniveling about us being able to enjoy free speech, thanks to you of course, right? your whole arguement is purely motivated by your twisted militarist political philosophy of coercive authority.

remember how that turned out with that little guy with the little moustache about 65 years ago?

but then again, if you continue having it your way, we will continue to stagnate right where he left off.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 70.57.174.123)
Time: July 24, 2010, 2:38 pm

You lost their attention at the first whiff of somebody saying that they’re doing wrong. After that it just went in one orifice and out another.

But well put. And there are many who need it because they feel it and want to express it with something more eloquent than “Freak you! (they occasionally claim I’m too “vulgar” which is Latin for “of the masses” which means they’re NOT of the masses, but they think nobody who IS would know that and say it anyway) With a bayonet! A dull one! Sideways so it hurts more!”

Comment from brokengavel   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: July 26, 2010, 3:10 pm

i feel where youre at brother jonah. my partner omega red and i have never been the kind to keep our mouths shut when the moron slaves start to defend their masters.
i like to somtimes vent, even when those who need to hear it arent listening. i guess i feel that it keeps me on my toes. i grew up with some of these types. my own brother joined the army straight outa high school. none of us friends and family could understand why someone from the slums of south east L.A. would want to serve the same kind of ass holes who have been hunting us down since day 1. i guess he just wasnt strong enough to resist the whole “if ya cant beat’em, join’em” bullshit.

a “freak you” given, usually recieves a “freak you” back. and then what? we all just end up freaked!

fight on brother.

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: July 26, 2010, 3:17 pm

i have always said “the ones who are so easily offended, are ALWAYS the ones who NEED to be offended.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 70.57.174.123)
Time: July 26, 2010, 3:43 pm

I read a preacher book once, The Cross and the Switchblade, where Pastor Dave went back to Bed-Stuy and heard a familiar voice call his name (this was in 1961 I think) and it was a couple of his earlier converts, wearing Army uniforms.

It was supposed to be a pass out of the ghetto to enlist.
That was when the “only” American troops in VietNam were advisors. But, that was about to change.

The recruiters still sell the Army as a pass out of poverty, a place to step up, when you get out of the War with all that war experience that employers are supposedly falling all over each other trying to recruit into their companies, fa-la-la-la, la la la la.
You can go to any grocery store in town here and see a sign for “Operation Home Front” to support military families impoverished by the war. And that’s while mommy or daddy or both are getting paychecks from Uncle Sugar.

But there’s another word for it, “the Economic Draft”.
The recruiters in Dallas and I hear LA have this gimmick, they’ve got a Regulation Hummer but they trick it out, smooth paint job, custom everything, kicking stereo, to promote the Army to high school kids. And younger.

They’re losing that particular war for the hearts and minds of the Younger Americans though. Putting more and more people in on waivers. It was their reason for keeping Stop Loss in place for so long. The just can’t seem to get enough Coffin Stuffin’ to suit their purposes.

My guess is that’s because Public Education actually DID succeed and kids can read (the writing on the wall) and they can put two and two together.
I haven’t looked into a Recruiter’s office in a long while, I wonder if they actually put one of those “Operation Home Front” posters up anywhere.

Comment from john   (IP: 86.31.12.3)
Time: August 16, 2010, 10:33 pm

I hate America. It’s just a disgusting, rotten evil country, like a cancer.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 16, 2010, 11:22 pm

And then there are Americans such as hopefully you and I and others who have a conscience, and want to turn our country into something righteous. Some place and nation that we used to be told we were.
We were told that while and at the same time Americans murdered Americans on the basis of skin color, religious faith, surnames, accents… Place where one was born or raised.

There’s a chance to attain that dream or, alternatively, no reason to even try. No reason to stand in the way of a national suicide pact where some madmen or truly evil men with Large Weapons will kill off the rest of the world and take their own selves out with it.

If it were unstoppable, if there was no chance. The vast majority of those who “represent” us in Civil and Military government aren’t elected, can’t be voted in or out.

The police and Military Ranks for instance. Some of them can be reached, brought back to the humanity they once were. Fish for them. The ones who turn their back on the Beast, are usually going to surprise even themselves.

The human conscience is a powerful thing, it strains against the conditioning and the training needed to make humans into organized mass murderers. When their training breaks, sometimes they go completely mad. But the conscience is still there, the human beings they once were. The process is always painful, for those who haven’t plumbed the depths of their own soul or the depth of the Evil Replacement Soul, and for those who have… there is still a path back to righteousness.

Painful though it always is.

The alternative is destruction not just of the Evil but also the good, in America and the rest of the world. The “love it or leave it” mentality denies that. It’s the mentality, not the people.

Comment from brokengavel   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: August 22, 2010, 2:42 pm

hey john, if what you mean by “america” and “country” is its government, and their supporters, and collaborators, then im with you 100%.

other than that, you just come off as just another euro-trash moron, no different than the people you claim as “evil, and a disgusting cancer”.

i was born and raised in this evil disgusting cancer, and i have come to dissociate myself with what makes this country so evil and disgusting.

was everyone who was born in nazi germany just as guilty as hitler, hess, goering, and so on…? the first 2 of which werent even born in germany. hitler being born and raised in austria, and hess was born in egypt.

where were you born? maybe we can scrounge up something evil and disgusting about what happened, or is happening in your home town. im not going to blame you for it.

i would just like you to be able to have the opportunity to understand exactly what it is that is coming out of your mouth. by the way, hate itself IS evil and disgusting. and although, i am not immune to it, i understand it to be a problem, my own little disgusting, rotten evil problem.

Comment from Luis Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: August 28, 2010, 3:58 am

As a us soldier i am disgusted by the utter disregard for the respect of our dead our war dead who left the life of liberty which much of you would never do in a 100 years. How dare you all compare our soldiers to pawns, watch them helplessly die is not a joke. To see them breath there last breath and have the nerve to take a picture what nerve i should have the right to shoot the reporter at point blank rage.

None of you understand death these soldiers can be your neighbor’s son or daughter or mother or father. Why we won’t allow scumbags to take photos of our dead we don’t want our dead to be used as PAWNS FOR SINISTER GAINS! FUCK YOU ALL YOU HEARTLESS BASTARDS.

Comment from Luis Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: August 28, 2010, 4:31 am

you ASSHOLES SPEAK OF RELIGION LIKE YOU REPRESENT IT. A righteous country you speak of really, people like you need to understand your shedding blame to the wrong people and its pathetic. Comparing american soldiers to nazi troops is a just plain sad. First off have any of you been to combat and witness this so called rape or murder you speak of. You use maybe one case of rape and paint the entire military as monsters. Ok maybe the military should do is not protect immature bums like you and let you fend for yourselves. Let see while we at it lets get rid of the police too, wait theres more how about security itself. Lets all live in this fantasy where we all sing com bi ya. Jesus would also never improve the enjoyment a young life’s death on the Iraqi’s side or the american’s side. I have never witnessed the so called rape or murder you speak of when i was in combat. What i saw was americans saving lives everyday even for its enemies. What you fuckers DON’T TALK ABOUT IS WHY THE US BASED HOSPITALS ARE SO BUSY IN A WAR ZONE ITS BECAUSE OF THE EXTREMIST YOU ASSHOLES HAVE BEEN DEFENDING BLEW UP A CAR AND MAIMED 30 PEOPLE. The us military works around the clock trying to save civilians from insurgent attacks. Remember out of all the countries in the fucking world the united states is the most Nobelist out of all, name a fucking country with better standards. Better look hard cause you ain’t gonna find shit. Get the fuck out if you don’t like it. Get over it if you don’t like it join Al qaedia and fucking bring it i know many soldiers who would love blow your brains our. Remember our motto want some get some and get fucked.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 28, 2010, 7:12 am

Yeah. “fighting for freedom”? My nephew is about to be deployed to Afghanistan next month. To kill and maybe die for your Corporate Imperial Leaders. So that BP can force Iraq and Iran and Turkmenistan to sell them their national resources at a price that BP wants to pay.

The people he’s being sent to kill, they have only their own country. They’re not trying to own America. They’re fighting a foreign invasion of THEIR HOME.

How does it feel to know that you’re supporting the 21st century version of the Redcoats and the Hessians?

And to threaten military actions against Americans who disagree with your regime. I’m sure you cheered when the Pigs attacked at the St Paddy’s Parade, at peace rallies and anti-imperialism rallies across America.

I bet you put “Love it or Leave It” in your hate spewing there. Meaning, “submit to Our Regime or leave, or we kill you and say it’s Freedom”

Same way your Imperial Regime is doing in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Philippines and Malaysia and South Korea and Guam and Honduras and Panama and El Paso, Texas.

Same way they did Alyanna Jones in Detroit, Oscar Grant in Oakland, Etta Collins in Dallas, Briseña Flores in Arivaca AZ.

The same way the Blackwater Corporation did to 19 civilians in Baghdad, by the camera count, 14 by the Blackwater count, Blackwater at first lied and said the civilians fired on them, but there were no weapons taken off their dead bodies, especially not those of the civilian CHILDREN, no expended shells from any weapons save those of the Blackwater Goon Squad MURDERERS. And Blackwater got smooth away with it.

Under the protection of George W. Carpathia and Nicolai Cheney.

Are they the “soldiers” you’re going to send to “blow my brains out”? Murderers don’t impress me. Murder is a Cowards sport.

I don’t live my life in fear and trembling worrying each day what cowards are going to do.

Oh, and that last line, where you offer to rape somebody… you really need some confinement and counseling, bubba.

Good to see that America is “represented” by such wonderful criminals.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 28, 2010, 7:21 am

And, seriously, Luis, (yeah, I first-named you, boy. Get over it)

The same racist pukes who are sending the soldiers “over there” to fight for their Lily-white Corporate Regime, are sending Racist Pukes around in America to fight people with last names like Gomez. Or Flores.

That “freedom” they’ve brought to the people of Iraq and Afghanistan? Yeah, you’ll be facing checkpoints HERE where the Minutemen will be pointing guns at YOU and demanding to see your papers. “Aye, Pancho, muestrate tus papeles”

Brought to you by the same “freedom” loving Fucktards who sent the soldiers to Iraq and Afghanistan to give THEM that kind of “freedom to conform and obey”, or have their brains blown out by your soldiers.

That’s the kind of “freedom” their so-called sacrifice is buying.

Comment from Luis Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: August 28, 2010, 9:58 pm

Ok none of you seem to get it, what oil are speaking of cause i haven’t seen it where is the proof cause last time i checked the oil was sold to China. I don’t like blackwater i hoped they got prosecuted to hell for what they did. I ALWAYS WHATS RIGHT IN IRAQ I NEVER SHOT A CIVILIAN OK I NEVER WANTED TO USE MY WEAPON ON ANYONE. If you were there you would understand as well, you call them iraqi freedom fighters well thats a mistake on your part they are not. They have killed more iraqis then Saddam and The Us COMBINED look it up it was reported by the UN. I don’t fight for some dumbass company and i hope they go to hell if they are in power and will fight them at home. Ok most of the military agrees with me we fight for the Constitution. I am an American and am proud of our history, people make mistakes we all do i damn sure know none of you are perfect. You want to change America don’t attack its soldiers go after the rich fucktards and the american people and i will support you. Don’t attack your neighbor’s son or Dad it will never work. 88% of the American people support the military so it will not work. I know iraq looks like a shithole now give it time maybe 5 years and its nation will prosper in that time i want no more involvment with that nation. Same for afghanistan we fight to win and thats it. Speak your minds yes but not against the young blood of our people maybe people you already know.

Comment from Luis Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: August 28, 2010, 10:02 pm

Oh i forgot you guys are socialist, in fact you all are enemies to capitalism and the consitution. In in the issue you guys will never change your mind, Cuba venezulea are great examples of socialism. Just like the nazi socialist movement, how sad you speak of american history but when you look at the history of socialism you make us look like angels.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 28, 2010, 11:39 pm

You know, REAL gangsters, be they mafia, crips, bloods, latin kings, United States Soldiers or any other gang, they kind of resent people within their ranks picking fights for them to finish.

People who say “I’m going to get my gang to beat you up, kill you, rape you, rob you” whatever.

You’re throwing in your lot with people who would just as soon see YOU dead as they would me. And say they or you are actually fighting for “freedom”…
Freedom to Obey, Freedom to Conform, Freedom to vote for whoever the U.S. Corporate Masters tell them they’re allowed to elect?

That’s not freedom, maybe you should learn the English Language or any language a little bit better than that.

By the way, threatening people with violence in order to force them to conform to YOUR political or religious views, that’s Terrorism, as defined by the U.S. State Department, the U.S. Military, the United Nations, Israel, Britain, just anybody who actually has made such charges. That puts your screed in line with the worst attributed to Osama bin Laden, Adolf Hitler, Glenn Beck, the list goes on.

So you might want to heed a little free legal advice from me before you have to hear it (assuming you actually are Military) from some tired, weary Captain who would be appointed to defend you at your court martial.
Also assuming you’d actually be successful in performing your attacks.

1. The Insanity Defense is fiction. Period.
2. Expressing sexual pleasure in the commission of violent crimes gets you a LONGER sentence. And under harsher terms.
3. Assaulting people because you don’t like something that is said to you is extremely childish, and most people get the hell over that by their first day of kindergarten.
4. The only Legitimate and legal defense for fighting is self defense, being “called a name” is not anywhere in that category.
5. Your assumptions that I would be Helpless and Weak only mean that you choose to fight people you consider to be Helpless and Weak. Not a very good recommendation on your Courage or character in any way. That counts in court.
6. Announcing that you’re going to commit a crime is stupid. And a crime in itself, it’s called “Making Terroristic Threats”.
7. Following up on threats is also stupid.
8. Pursuant to reason (5) what the fuck would you do once you discover that I’m NOT weak and helpless?

See, that’s what a lawyer will tell you. Keep making threats, one day you’ll have to either put up or shut up.

You’ll box yourself in to a fight that no matter who else loses, you’ll never win. Much like the War itself.

I would hope that one day you’ll mature enough to realize that.
If you’d care to speak to some of your former comrades about it, try VVAW, IVAW, and now the GWOT-I-A-V-Whatever the hell long and cumbersome acronym-AW and learn it from your comrades. Pay attention. Listen more than you speak. Some of those cats can teach you a real lesson that doesn’t involve physical abuse. Talk to Ron Kovic. He does talk to other Vets, you know.

And he’s not the hate-freak the Pentagon Propagandists make him out to be. Neither are the V or I or A Against the War organizations or most of their members.

Meanwhile, don’t make threats. Did I mention that it’s stupid? Twerps like George Bush made a whole bunch of threats, to be carried out by other people. Like the dudes in the pictures at the top of this page. George Bush and Richard Cheney and Karl Rove, never put their own lives in danger or on the line, but they sure as HELL got rich off the deaths of your comrades and the people you were sent to kill.

The people in Iraq who retaliate against the invasion of THEIR country, disproportionately? Why should they even be in a position where they have to either retaliate or submit to a foreign invader? If you’re going to use the disproportionate retaliation to your invasion as a guide, where does the disproportionate Starting The War In The First Fucking Place fit into your logic?

YOUR leaders started the war, for their profit. That’s the way it always is. If you can’t accept that, GREAT! That’s the first step.

Take the step, bubba. Learn Real Patriotism.

It’s not about following orders either.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 28, 2010, 11:43 pm

Did you know the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a preacher?
Unitarian. Francis Bellamy.
Also held office within the American Christian Socialist Union.
What would happen, you reckon, if and when you re-take Venezuela for the Corporate Empire?

Will you declare anybody who resisted such a “liberation” to be an Unlawful Combatant, imprison, torture and ultimately murder him?

Nothing could make you look like angels.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 28, 2010, 11:48 pm

History is an ongoing process. Right now, your leaders are making history as being some of the most callous, bigoted and inhumane persons ever to walk the planet.

They talk about having an economic control of the entire planet, enforced by “the mightiest army the world has ever seen”. Do you sincerely believe that they’re interested at all in sharing the spoils of that Empire with you any more than they do with the people of Venezuela, Honduras, Iraq?

Come on, man. ARE you really that delusional?

Comment from Luis Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: August 29, 2010, 5:42 am

Who are you to come with threats of legal action publishing illegal pictures on the internet is against the laws of war confirmed with from the pentagon. You want to start a firestorm lets start one, i don’t need to threaten you and here this you idiot the threat was never specific to your life did i say Jonah “i’m going to kill you” no in fact frankly i only compressed that you put money where your mouth is and join AL Qaeda when several Americans have done from your political persuasion and have met there fates. You continue to say the us military fights for the greed, so be it lets see the facts i want you to list all the companies benefiting from this besides military companies that make the armor defending the us military. Don’t threaten me with legal action when you do not contain the basis for it.
1. Frankly showing images of dead soldiers will back fire with people hating you and the dumb left wing media who shows it.
2. you are part of a corrupt ideology that has no barons and will be remembered throughout history as the as false patriots who want a different standard for the constitution.
3. You threaten me with legal action without any actual law being broken.
4. Yet you are more dumber then i thought to think that the military is runned by corporate greed when George soros a comrade of yours a former Nazi sympathizer funds most left leaning projects including numerous websites who spit hate on a daily basis.
5. You speak of terriost actions let me think hmm you seem to praise the deaths of american soldiers, anti war fanatics have a dark history leading back to the 60′s with violence committing numerous bombings throughout the united states.
As in the weather underground who now its former members now have connections to the white house and the recent stimulus package wrote into law.
6. You will not reason on anything which proves you are not for compromise but for dominance of the debate.
I can go on about Marxist history and hows its so horrible compared to our founder’s history.
I have no reason to believe you stand on the merits with God accept twisting his words to your flawed ideology.

Let me voice you some advice, you will never win in this debate showing images of our dead young is a crime under the united states without the detailed approval of their loved ones. I doubt with any reason you have the right to show images. By the way did you ask permission from the families of these poor soldiers to take these pictures and use them for propaganda? I highly doubt that. So infact you are the coward do not speak like you have a high moral ground. You do not, and yes we did win the war in Iraq for your information.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 29, 2010, 5:12 pm

I have friends who live in “socialist” countries. By the definition of those furthest to the right, of course. By the definitions of the Canadians, Mexicans, English, German, French and Danish friends their governments are “overly conservative”.

When you describe Socialist Countries as being nightmarish, I think to myself “Martha”. Martha was married to me almost 5 years. In 1986 she died from Reaganomics. Pure and simple. The cause of death officially was “complications from Multiple Sclerosis” but people seldom actually DIE of MS. There was a lot more to it. One was Ron Paul. Freshman Congressman from Texas at the time. Ran on Reagan’s Coat-tails.

Another was Phil Gramm. Again, ran on Reagan’s Coat Tails. Then there was Newt, and John McCain, all the big-hitting names in the Republican stable. All of them have consistently voted against any increase in Minimum Wage, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans Services (Maybe, considering your orientation, that last should have been first? But to continue.)

She had an orthopaedic, skeleto-muscular problem called “contractures”. It could have been mitigated, fixed even, through regular Physical Therapy. She couldn’t sit up in her wheelchair because of the way her legs twisted. She could have had a specially designed wheelchair for about $200 more than her regular one cost.

When the Right Wing “liberty”arians scream about how Martha’s life wasn’t worth that extra $200 and then tell me that I’m “Bolshevik” and therefore Evil for insisting that her life WAS worth that and far more, they lose any hope of maintaining any Holier-than-thou attitude they were trying so very hard to maintain.

Without that adaptive technology, she couldn’t use regular transportation. They wouldn’t allow through Medicaid payment rules, insisted on by Ron Paul and Ronald Reagan and the rest of their gang of murderous thieves, for her to have therapy done at home.

Now, the reason I call them murderous thieves is quite simply because they were, not content to simply allow Americans to die from Denial of Health Care, which the TeaBag so-called “revolutionaries” are telling us that WE are the thieves for wanting to change that, at the tune of 120 Americans A DAY who die from denial of health care, 3600 a month, more than the total killed on 9/11… Can you start to see why I call them Anti-American Terrorists? And those are the ones who were Insured. Those of us who cannot obtain insurance, we, like the Iraqi and Afghan casualties, die uncounted.

Reagan and Ron Paul and Gramm and McCain and Gingrich, they put those rules in place so they could give more money to the War Profiteers. Profiteers like Oliver North, who’s supposedly a Lieutenant Colonel in the U.S. Marines.

Ollie North who sold weapons to the people who by HIS own admission killed hundreds of United States Marines in two incidents in Beirut Lebanon before, during and after those events.

He Made Money DIRECTLY from the spilled blood of his former comrades. So did every son-of-a-whore politician in the Bush Administration who pushed for the war against Afghan PEOPLE and Iraqi PEOPLE. Are you getting that? These Non-Socialist THUG coward assholes who have consistently refused to go to war themselves, make money daily from the shed blood of not only Afghan and Iraqi Civilians, many of them CHILDREN, but also from the shed blood of United States Soldiers.

I suppose the difference between your outlook and mine starts with your refusal to see the Dead on all sides as being equally Human.

I suppose all that makes me a “socialist” and therefore, in your eyes, Evil.

But wait, there’s MORE. Your Jackass leaders have spent not only the national treasure from OUR projected lifetimes but from those of our children and grandchildren to come. On what?

War, and plenty of it. And they’re proposing MORE wars. They’ve already destroyed not only the economy of the United States but the economies of the entire community of nations with their literally God-Damned wars.

Socialized Medicine and Food Stamps didn’t destroy the economy, WAR spending did. Not a drop of the War Spending went to helping people live, to build up anything… just to destroy and kill.

If that’s “Socialist” to you, too bad. Grow a conscience.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 29, 2010, 5:18 pm

And what did you “win” in Iraq? More banana-republic Slaves to bow before your Capitalist Empire?

“Acknowledge our Superior Culture, you heathen peasants, or we’ll slaughter MORE of your Children!”

Fuck your “victory”. You’ll be spending as much money and more to hold on to your stolen lands as you spent to get it, for your Corporate Masters to enjoy.

Some “moral high ground” YOU think you have.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 29, 2010, 5:37 pm

By the way, Venezuela, Grenada, Nicaragua and Cuba, socialist countries all, provide most of the Medical Care available to the working (slave) class in Central America. They even contribute to Medicins Sans Frontiers, a French medical mission which provided most of the on-the-ground relief work in Haiti before the earthquake. We’ve got pictures of some of the kids in Haiti who “benefited” from your Military Industrial Corporate Imperialism in THEIR country. Are the Iraqi kids going to “benefit” the same way? Your leaders “liberated” them from their elected leaders and appointed a Puppet “freely elected” government in Haiti the same as in Afghanistan and Iraq. Liberated them from any of their national wealth they had claimed as, well, THEIR national wealth.

You’ll find most of the images disturbing. Given your Anti-Social attitude toward the people you’d rather see in such condition, maybe you wouldn’t. You’ll definitely find the Socialist non-militaristic Peace and Justice and Compassion to be disturbing because the Medicins Sans Frontiers doctors are Helping the kids instead of blowing them away or forcing them to bow and beg for any scrap of mercy they get.

And that would go against your Propaganda.

Comment from Angel Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: August 29, 2010, 6:56 pm

Hey scum bags lick my shiny american cock, you guys are queers and are scumbags with no life and are genital warts on american culture and need to be cleaned out. So annoying and so immature you bastards need to grow a fucking heart and grow a pair. Don’t like this country go live in east bum fuck or england they such perfect good peoples of the world or better yet in china where they will harvest your nutsacks for the new year.

Comment from shineequwa montoya   (IP: 76.119.158.62)
Time: August 29, 2010, 7:10 pm

excuse me “boys” but if you live in America then you should not be judging what we are doing for your safety and you should be grateful that you live in the U.S.A and not east-bum-fuck or some shit so if u don’t like the U.S.A then get the fuck out of here

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 29, 2010, 11:13 pm

Yadda yadda yadda.

You’re not fighting for American Freedom or Iraqi Freedom. You should stop lying. y Angel, estas muy aniñado. Deja payasandos, niño.

I bet you tell the Iraqi kids that shit about licking your cock.

You fought and killed and your friends died so British Petroleum and Halliburton could get even richer. Taking the wealth of Iraq for your Corporate Masters. If you see “queer” in that you must be really hung up on “queer”.

BP and Halliburton, by the way, Fucked Off the Gulf. IN AMERICA

That’s whose “freedom” you’re fighting for, the “freedom” of the Corporate Big-pigs to own the entire world. You don’t give a damn who you kill to do it, your Cochino buddy Luis said he’d kill Americans who disobey his Master Dick Cheney by talking back.

Some “freedom”. You know the fuckin’ difference between you pigs and the Nazis? The resistance against the Nazis wasn’t as well coordinated and the Nazis didn’t have to face something like the Internet.

Your Military is standing ready to kill Bradley Manning, not officially, but you know as well as I that once he’s in Leavenworth with a 60 year sentence your Fucking Military Police PIGS are going to have him handcuffed and marching to the shower, and they’ll do him the same way your Army did Crazy Horse, bayoneted him in the kidneys while he was shackled hand and foot, Stabbed Him In The Back.

You fuckers haven’t changed at all in the more than a century since then.

And you know the reason? Because he did something you would never do, he Manned Up and told the Truth instead of your Army Approved LIES. And provided proof.

He’s a Man about himself, instead of pussy-ass pukes who want to threaten and then say you’re “fighting for our freedom”

You don’t like Freedom of Speech, Bitches, YOU Leave.

That’s right, love it or leave it. You can stay the fuck in Iraq, get a job with the Puppet Fascist government you set up there, torturing kids for them directly. Maybe go to Honduras and get a job with THEIR Puppet Corporate Dictatorship. Panama. There’s a long list of Banana Republics who would hire you to keep los paisanos y peones en estado de conformancia, y esclavitud. Make them “lick your American Dick Cheney” right?

Or maybe make them lick your American “Bush”.

Whatever. Y tu mama tambien, puto.

Comment from Angel Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: August 30, 2010, 6:28 am

Wow brother Jonah spoken like a true religious man i’m quite proud of you. Hey i heard Al qaedia has a new opening for press secretary, maybe you should join. Freedom of speech i don’t if you speak then just be prepared for the criticism for whats to come. If there is any complement i can give you sorry asses that would be you guys have balls and thats about it.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 30, 2010, 8:58 am

If you can’t take it, don’t dish it out. Soy Chuqueño y Indio.

I don’t know if you speak any Spanish or not. Doesn’t matter. But Chuqueño is somebody for El Paso Texas. “el Chuco”. That’s me.

My Indian looks have gotten me a lot of unnecessary Fascist Attention from the police including and especially the Border Patrol. So I’ve had lots of first hand experience with the Imperialist Bullshit you keep putting out in the name of “freedom”

I’ve had guns pointed at me by Racist Fucks Wearing Uniforms, most of them in Police Uniforms and some in Military (Police) Uniforms. Your leaders, who are making money off the dead soldiers and dead civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and are talking about “doing” Iraq, Syria, North Korea and anybody else who doesn’t bow down before them, have installed a Police State mechanism HERE. Three years ago many of you sat and watched while that Fascist Nazi Gang of Criminal Gestapo Thugs attacked us at a parade, not just “Free” speech being trampled with the full support of your “freedom fighting” Military, but licensed PAID Free speech. There was a license fee for us to march in the parade. Terminated in the middle of the parade by your “Back the Badge” and “Unconditional Support For The War No Matter How Many War Crimes Are Committed” Fascist Nazi Anti-Freedom Government and the Police and Military branches thereof.

Not a single uniformed member of either the Police or the Military, out of Thousands, stood up for Freedom on that day. IN AMERICA.

You have a long and continuing history of that kind of action against anybody who so much as speaks against your Corporate Fascist Regime, not just in Iraq and Afghanistan, not “just” in the more traditional Banana Republics where American Soldiers are sent regularly and often to put down for instance the Election in Honduras where the President who was Not Approved As An Official Puppet by the Corporate Police State HERE. Or the Banana Workers strike in Panama which the Puppet Dictatorship of that nation is fighting against right now, with the back-up of United States Soldiers. The same United States Army and Marine Corps who staged an invasion based on the same kind of Fucking Lies their Masters used to order their Slave-soldiers into Iraq and Afghanistan to overthrow their former Puppet Dictator Manuel Noriega.

Not just in those “foreign lands” where the only victims of your “granting them freedom” through murder, theft and torture are “foreign” Peasants, but also HERE in America your Police State is in full swing.

And you want to come and spend the time and money of a website which you don’t own to spread your Fascist Police State bullshit threats?

Oh, and Racist too. I don’t give a fuck about your last name, the people who use you as a Slave sure do, though. YOU can bow before them and lick their Jackboots or whatever portion of their anatomies they’ll allow you to touch.

Oh, that’s right, you already do. And for some reason you’re fucking proud of being such a Slave.

I really don’t care about your orientation either. If you’re “queer” or “straight” or a squirrel-fucker it doesn’t make a spit worth of difference to me. What DOES is that you wish to not only offer to inflict violence on anybody who disagrees with you, and talk about Gang Actions, getting your buddies together to come and assault anybody who doesn’t bow before your Slave Masters, and then through all that say that we are somehow the ones who lack courage.

Fuck that cowardly Gang Mentality Bullshit, dude. You’ve already indicated that you’re not going to jump anybody one-on-one, even people you BELIEVE are “weaklings” which is a Saxon term for the same stupid name-calling you’ve put out in your stupid mindless threats.

And, in the name of “freedom”. You better learn what your words mean before you spew them. You’re not offering freedom and neither are your Corporate Slave Masters, all you’re offering is death. Not just to those of us who stand up to your “love it or leave it” festering pile of CRAP HERE but in those lands you “liberated”. You gave the Iraqis and Afghans the same choice, didn’t you? Love your Corporate Masters or leave, to go where exactly? To leave THEIR country the same way we’re supposed to leave OURS, so you can have free rein over OUR country and run OUR country the way YOUR masters see fit? To be obedient Slaves like YOU or leave?

It’s people who have stood up to that Bullshit every time your Corporate Owners put it out that have kept freedom of speech alive in America.

If YOU don’t love free speech, YOU can fucking leave. There’s plenty of Corporate Police State Puppet Dictatorships around the globe, all of them propped up by the U.S. Military, so you would have a vast array of choices.

Maybe you could go to Haiti, and rent yourself out as a slave to that branch of your Corporate Government, to make sure the starving Haitians send every penny of their national treasure into the pockets of your Masters like Richard Cheney and George Bush. Oh, that’s right, how could I forget, your Army already IS doing exactly that. In the name of God and Freedom.

Comment from Angel Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: August 30, 2010, 12:08 pm

WHILE DO YOU REALIZE BOTH CHENEYAND BUSH IS OUT OF POWER, LET IT GO ITS KINDA SAD. Man it sucks to be you, you have no life this is the conspiracy crap i hear from people who don’t know nothing. Nobody cares notice your dictatorship king Obama and his hooligans from your political group look he is doing such a great isn’t he.

Comment from Angel Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: August 30, 2010, 12:33 pm

You know whats funny this site can be prosecuted under the constitution for aiding and comforting the enemy.

Evidence 1- using unauthorized images of dead soldiers which can be used by Al Qaeda and other terriost groups as propaganda for recruiting tool. Sounds to crazy huh i would be careful how far this website goes on aiding the enemy or you all will be in Gitmo

Comment from brokengavel   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: August 30, 2010, 6:56 pm

these silly little gomez twins are the perfect example of what it means when we use the term “irreparable damage”. theres just no talking to these types. all they understand now is terrorism. its sad, ’cause its not really entirely their fault. its not like they were born this way. theyve obviously never had the benefit of an undiluted education. whether it be independent or otherwise.

i remember when i was a little kid too. i had to unlearn and re-educate myself or i might have ended up just like these moron nazi fucks, all proud of the rape, torture, and murder that their masters told them was liberation. you fucks hate seeing the photos of dead soldiers because it serves as a perfect example that there is opposition to these amerikaan stormtroopers, even if it is just a few dirt farmers trying to protect their friends, family, neighbors, and countrymen from these gomez assholes who get a real kick out of blowin’ away some people who could never bring their murderers to justice. all that they can do is fight back, no matter how futile their efforts might be. ever see that movie red dawn? reverse the rolls and you’ll get a more accurate depiction of what is going on in iraq and afghanistan. its not cuba and russia invading poor innocent, helpless amerika… and by the way, you fucking idiots, it doesnt matter whether its bush or obama, demokrat or republikaan, they all have the same capitalist agenda: rape, torture, and murder as many non-whites as you can, steal all their natural resources, claim you have liberated them, declare victory. north korea, youre next! i hear the new red dawn movie is coming out just in time to demonize the asian population this time, again.

rock on brother jonah,
keep fightin’ the GOOD fight.

you stupid amerikaan nazi fucks will find yourselves in hell soon enough!

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: August 30, 2010, 9:09 pm

im a little less sympathetic/apologetic than my partner brokengavel. i dont care about how brainwashed these nazi assholes are.

the damage is done. what are we supposed to do with them? we cant be expected to hold their hands and kiss their booboo’s just because they have no will to understand what is actually going on in the world. they need to be made example of. im one who is not opposed to using terrorism to fight terrorists. especially when (like you said) they suffer from “irreparable damage”. if you cant talk to “these types” or use any form of diplomacy, then what can we do, lock them up? that would not be very anarchistic of you, brokengavel.

they are terrrorist, and im guessing that they always will be. isnt that what you said, “all they understand now is terrorism”? i am fully aware that it isnt very christian or anarchistic of me to think this way, and there are no real easy answers to these gomez problems either. and i dont believe that theyve got the right idea of “murder first and dont bother asking questions later ’cause well, there dead now”.

i also dont believe that we should just carry signs in protest. thats all well and fine if its just a one-time effort serving as a warning shot, if you will. but after that, you wont be able to stop their bombs and bullets by peaceful means. especially when they can murder an unlimited ammount of people without firing a single shot through sanctions.

its too easy for them, and we’re making it that way, because there are not enough of us willing to pick up our guns against them. theyre laughing at us, and rightfully so. just think if we showed up against the redcoats with signs and protests. is that the revolution thats going to win our freedom from these new world 21st century tyrants? i dont fucking think so! oh, and to that last nazi talkin that stupid shit about “prosecuted under the constitution for aiding and comforting the enemy”. now what, ashole? do something, or you can just shut the fuck up! thats just another shining example of how fucking stupid these fucking moron nazi assholes are. they cant even understand the difference between free speech and the illegal breach of the constitution. not that i can give a flying fuck about the constitution. but if youre going to play by nazi rules you should at least try to learn what they are.

no apologies, no regrets!

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 31, 2010, 2:26 am

Yeah, what’s even more fun, they’re always going on about how Socialist countries, like, say.. the Peoples Republic of China, censors and punishes the use of free speech and the Internet by blocking web access to certain ideas and ideals, like the right wing spew the puked up all over this topic.

Why I mentioned that is that all three of them are coordinated, and one of them is apparently using a hijacked IP address that points to Beijing. PRoC.

Guess when it comes to crimes, stealing one little IP address or maybe, who knows, a whole network of them, something they’d call “piracy” and have it punished were it to happen to one of their corporate rulers… doesn’t hold a candle to the Mass Murder and the theft of entire nations.

Just a little ol’ speedbump on their Highway to Hell.

I just now realized that I’ve been using that phrase for years without knowing it’s a complete dope term, a bump of speed on the “high” way to Hell.

Which their leaders are also heavily into. The TeaTards and their associated Militia have “alternative Funding” like cooking crank, the Reaganite Death Squads in El Salvador, Panama, and Nicaragua financed themselves in the Americas through Colombian cocaine and in Asia through Afghan and Hmong opium/heroin. “It’s the hypocrisy, stupid!” And now the Poppy Fields of Afghanistan are ‘flowering’ under American and British rule once more.

BUT… you can tell we’re making a difference. A LARGE difference if they feel the bite of our words in what they otherwise dismiss as “a pathetic blog written by sore losers that nobody takes seriously”.

They don’t tell their left hand what their right hand is writing.

Either we’re ineffective wimps who don’t make ANY difference to their Glorious and Mighty Empire, or we’re dangerous felons who are destroying their chances of establishing their Glorious and Mighty Empire by simple exposition of the Truth.

The violence going down in America now, is due to the collapse of that empire. The sheer anger of those who lived their entire lives on Imperial Dreams and are now seeing their empire laying on the beach, like in those Charles Atlas ads in the back of comic books when we were kids, the 98-pound weakling laying on the beach while the Large Muscular Fellow kicked sand in his face and took his girlfriend.

Aimed to pubescent boys who were going to get stronger and larger whether or not they spent their dollar or however much it was to buy essentially a catalog of Charles Atlas exercise equipment.

They don’t like their Empire being the 98 pound weakling and no amount of exercise is going to cure them of it.

Maybe it would help for them to read more comic books, who knows? Couldn’t possibly be anywhere near as harmful as the path they’re taking now.

Comment from Angel Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: August 31, 2010, 10:39 am

And how are we the russians i remember we were attacked on 9/11 oh wait i forgot you all have engineering degrees and will say its inside job. You are all the terriost, OK grow up you can call Americans Nazi’s all you want but it won’t change a damn thing america loves its military get over it. I see no rage when china massacres Nepalese wheres the rage for that. How about the invasion of Georgia where the Russians purposely killed over 4k Georgians. Where is the rage for darfur when 400k have died where is the fucking rage for the people in burma who are being killed as we speak. where is the fucking rage against the drug cartel who are murdering 100′s on a daily basis no you pick on america because its a capitalist state you have nothing more then a gudge for this country your rage is onesided.

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: August 31, 2010, 12:20 pm

you can bitch, cry, and moan all you want about a couple of thousand deaths in those “towers of satan”. thats all you’ll ever have. guess what what dummy, those people who committed those crimes are dead. they died in those planes when they hit the buildings. for some sick twisted reason nobody has ever even mentioned that once, as far as i know. and even if they did, it would have been just a blurb buried at the end of the paper. no reporter wants to be labeled and fired as an unpatriotic, anti-american terrorist supporter, and a lefty conspirator for stating the obvious. and they wonder why they dont hear any outrage about all the other atrocities happening around the world. america most likely has a pretty heavy hand involved in them all. its not hard to find out, but of course youre not going to hear about it if youre sitting in front of your fox/news corp. t.v. propaganda machine. as you should very well know, 9/11 is happening everyday for those in the middle east, so your little sniveling isnt going to add up to all that much to the survivors of those american war crimes. i wouldnt expect you to be familiar with Thoreau, “For every thousand hacking at the leaves of evil, there is one striking at the root”. thats why we “pick on” america, you dumb ass! why focus on the tiny little details when you can just smash the giant and solve everyones problems all at once.

this gomez kid has got to be one of the dumbest pieces of shit ive ever come across so far.

no apologies, no regrets!

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 31, 2010, 1:08 pm

It’s an attempt to justify murder. Like the continual thread that says the 6th commandment should be translated as “thou shalt not ‘murder’ instead of ‘kill’..” and that preached by Military Chaplains and their Corporate counterparts, people who sold their priesthoods. They say the exact same theme to the Homicide Bombers who fly the planes over third world villages and farms where they can’t even be seen from the ground and drop bombs that won’t even hit the ground until after the planes are over the horizon. “You’ll be taken to Heaven by the Angels and there God=Allah=YHWH will crown you and you will enjoy the adoration of the saints=martyrs who went before you, and have 74 virgins”. Leave off the 74 virgins part and you get the same message preached by American Military and Corporate Clergy.

I’d say that people who are that desperate to find a justification for killing people must really really really want to KILL PEOPLE.

It’s like an organized crime boss hiring the best lawyers available to sit and wait until his crimes catch up to him.

The Sell-out Chaplains won’t get you into Heaven with a special pass on the 6th commandment. They sold their own souls before they sold yours, Angel mi hijo.

And there’s no real dispensation for killing in all of Leviticus and Deuteronomy either, the huge number of Capital Sins cover everybody, and if you’ve ever committed a capital sin, you’re no longer ever qualified to judge anybody unto death. Jesus said the exact same thing with “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”

It’s the trap, the stumbling stone laid in Zion, that breaks all who attempt to use it.

People who WANT to kill other PEOPLE so badly that they’ll dig through any possible synonym for a word, in any language, to justify judging somebody unto death, are so bloodthirsty that they most definitely would never qualify as Judges.

As to who am I to Judge your masters Bush and Cheney, Who exactly gave me that right and authority? Bush did. He made a Religious Challenge to the world to judge Saddam Hussein, but there’s a clause in Levitican Law… when you call on somebody to judge your adversary, you have to be judged yourself along with him. Equal measures of judgment same as equal weights and equal money in the marketplace and in the temple.

When George Bush called on the world to Judge Saddam Hussein he called on the world to judge George Bush as well.

He personally judged Saddam Hussein to death and EVERY man woman and child killed in his war as well, based on a standard of judgment that one must prove one’s innocence. It’s a flawed standard but since George Bush challenged the World, including ME, to judge Saddam and every man woman and child who was subsequently killed, by that standard, we have to judge George Bush AND his accomplices by that standard.

PROVE that your Army is innocent. PROVE that your commanders did not know that they were ordering you to fight and kill and die for LIES.

Since the same ones who tell us that Osama bin Laden ordered the hit on the Temple of Money in Manhattan that day, also tell us that Osama is still alive, AND THEN publish a picture of “Osama” which they CLAIMED was done with age progression software… And turned out to be an Anti-War member of the Spanish Parliament.

The reason they claimed for doing the age progression computer analysis, was that there had been no actual photographs taken of Osama bin Laden in 8 years.

And they are also the ones responsible for the WMD Lies.

With a record like that, they need a much higher standard of proof that they’re Not Lying about anything else.

As to your puro mierde about “giving aid and comfort to the enemy” your leaders put in such a vague description of the “enemy” that anybody who says anything other than the Official Military Line about any subject whatsoever could be imprisoned, tortured, killed or all of the above, without trial and without presentation of evidence, without any right to appeal.

If George Bush and his Henchmen, including you, Angel, wish to judge by that standard then by God who made us all so MUST I judge by that same standard he and you have demanded.

If your cause is that weak, even with a larger military budget than the rest of the world combined, that you can’t win unless “weaklings” like me with our “insignificant” words could derail those plans and that cause, then what have you actually GOT?

Nothing. More than a million men and women in heavily armed uniform chasing a phantom.

If mere words can dislodge your Hog Masters from their trough, then groovy. I’ll provide more.

If your, in the words of George Bush “Strongest and Best military the world has ever seen”, can’t hold their own against the Truth then they are NOTHING. So, why again is your military prosecuting Assange and Manning? The Pentagon admits that what Wikileaks published is accurate.

That means that their prior assertions to the contrary were nothing more than LIES. and why should WE believe known proven LIARS?

Why, Angel, should I believe one sentence of what you write? Your sources are known LIARS. Their words have caused the deaths of 7000 American Military personnel and an uncounted number of civilians. That’s more than twice the number who died on 9/11. That makes YOUR MASTERS guilty of More Murders than whoever actually brought down the Satanic Temple of Money. YOUR Masters who call themselves “christian” or “jew” like that will mitigate their guilt.

Some of them, like Ollie North and Secord, directly profited from the deaths of Americans by selling the weapons that killed them.

But you demand that I take moral instruction from them?

Ska-roo that noise, bubba.

Comment from brokengavel   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: August 31, 2010, 2:46 pm

i would be more interested to know why angel wrote “america loves its military get over it”? does he think he is speaking for all of amerika? or is he just trying to remind and reenforce himself that he believes in these ridiculous ideas? it must be a constant struggle trying to keep all the lies together to reinsure that he’s doing things, and thinking the way that they want him to. especially for one so dim-witted.

also, the contempt, and total disregard for those more intelligent than him, like those damn college boys with “engineering degrees”.

to hell with the facts, we’re trying to start a war here, damn it! sounds like angel fancies himself a bush junior.

the whole “inside job” thing is only one theory of many that exposes bush and pals on their several attempts to cover up what actually happened. there is actually some very damning evidence if you would ever care to look at it. not that it matters anymore after it has all been swept under the rug.

angel, every arguement seems so obtuse and dense. i would have liked to offer you an education, but it seems you would be one to bight the hand that feeds.

also, i guess you didnt get the whole “red dawn movie” reference. you must be much younger than i thought. or maybe youre new to this country, given how bad your english is to my eyes. ive witnessed how some foreigners seem to over compensate, and express excessive patriotism/chauvinism for their new found nation in order to divert the authorities from their alien status. waving flags and hanging banners all over their homes, cars, and work space. i understand the fear, but i think that it still does not excuse the behaviour. my people call them apples. my chamorro brothers from guam call these people coconuts, or bananas. even you can probably figure out why. oh, and before you try to pull out your race card, i was born and raised as a mexican by my mother in south east L.A. even though my name is McGee. my father tried to pound his irish pride into my head as a child, but my pueblo roots and my eventual anarchist values won out over his racist and fascist amerikaan ideologies.

by the way, when we use the acronym or phonetic spelling of NAZI referring to amerika, its not that we actually believe that this is the nationalsozialistische deutsche arbeiterpartei (“german national socialist workers’ party”) you fucking idiot! its just that there isnt any other regime on contemparary planet earth that we can compare the amerikaan empire to. there is nothing in recorded human history even remotely psychotically evil and powerful than the fascio-capitalist amerika that we have today. its worth fighting against, no matter how improbable winning may be. its actually vital to the planets future to destroy as much of the governing bodies as we can to protect the rest of the world from global slavery, and our eventual destruction.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 31, 2010, 4:08 pm

It’s a war according to Generally Betrays Us, one which uses the written word, not instead of but in addition to, Bullets and Bombs.

Noting that the media “directly influence the attitude of key audiences toward counterinsurgents,” Petraeus referred to “a war of perceptions between insurgents and counterinsurgents conducted continuously using the news media.”

Petraeus urged counterinsurgency war “leaders” to carry out “information operations” to “obtain local, regional, and international support for COIN operations.”

Some of the War Regime’s supporters are actual members of the Ku Klux Klan and the American National Socialist White Persons Party. Germany and Austria are the only two nations I can think of where the use of Nazi symbols and titles are forbidden and where the Nazi Party in its many incarnations is banned. The American Nazi party was formed BEFORE World War 2. Something Glenn Beck won’t tell anybody is that unlike himself or anybody at DumFox Noose Nutwerx, thousands of Card Carrying Communists joined the U.S. Military during WW2. Including a couple of people he likes to single out as being part of the Vast Communist Plot, Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger.

The guy who wrote and sang the song Feels Like I’m Fixin’ to Die Rag, “now come on all you big strong men, uncle sam needs your help again” was Naval Flight Lieutenant Joseph (Country Joe) McDonald. The Right Wing really take the whole culture war that seriously.

John Wayne was ineligible for the draft, for what reason nobody says aloud, but he could have enlisted. Audie Murphy was an inch too short to join until he found out that a human body loses about two inches in the course of a day. He had tried several times to enlist, why didn’t John Wayne, Ronald Reagan, or much later, Richard Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly, why did George Bush desert from the National Guard?

But they’re huge War Fans. It’s the hypocrisy factor.

Calling them Nazis, given their affiliations, is accurate, to a point, more accurate than calling Veterans Against War in it’s various flavors “al Qa’eda in America” as they do.

The Republican and Tea Parties have a LOT of common membership with Right Wing Terrorist Groups like the Klan, the Nazis, and the Minutemen.

As for Gomez pulling the race card, I figured he would, sooner or later. Hey, I had guns drawn on me on several occasions by the Border Patrol because I “look mex” according to the officers.

I can just imagine what kind of shit they’d pull on him and his Twin and their alleged cousin Montoya. I have a Jewish first and middle names and a generic Northern Europe surname. But they still gave and still do give me shit about “looking Mex” and then saying I have no right at all to express anger at their racist attitude.

Angel, Luis, what are you going to do when your Comrades turn on YOU? The Minutemen are already putting up posters both paper and electronic with a picture of an Arizona Drivers License and/or a Mexican National I.D. Card with the name “Osama bin Sanchez”, you gonna tell me that they won’t bite you on YOUR arse, that they somehow are so filled with Love for their fellow man that they’ll “forgive” you for having a Spanish name?

By the way, you can look that ID card poster up on Michelle Malkin’s Hate Website among others.

Funny how having the gun pointed at you makes you see the whole racism picture a little bit more clearly.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 31, 2010, 4:20 pm

And seeing the way you toss Bolshevik, Communist, and Socialist as though they’re interchangeable, and Islam and Muslim as though they were Monolithic, like “all them thar mixkins sticks together” or “All them nigras” or “all them whatever ethnic or religious group I choose to express bigotry against today”…

Perhaps you should examine that Nazi, Fascist and Republican connection really closely. Especially the Fascist part. The classic definitions of Fascism include a Military and Police controlled society and a triad of Civil government, Military and Industry.

Throw in some extremist religious views and you have a perfect picture of it. Now, who exactly does that sound like?

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 31, 2010, 4:25 pm

Plus, Angel, Luis, I doubt seriously that YOU speak write or read Aramaic or Hebrew, so mincing the words “murder” and “kill” in the 6th commandment sounds like something you and your comrades were taught to parrot.

Just like making no such distinction between sects of Christianity or Judah or Islam would be wrong, inaccurate, false, and just downright ignorant. But people do it anyway.

Hey, I do education, so you came to the right place. I speak three languages fairly well but with a heavy Texas accent and an autistic speech pattern that would drive you insane listening to it. But I DO know my stuff

Comment from brokengavel   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: August 31, 2010, 6:34 pm

no one is born a nazi any more than some one being born a flag waving idiot, regardless the complete absence of difference. we can use the same arguement for nazis and KKK members than we can for typical right wing/republikaan amerikaans. whether you are preaching about how brilliant hitler was, or how great amerika is, makes no difference if thats all youve ever been taught, and all youve ever heard all of your life, with little or no opposition, or question about it. so now, if anybody says anything out of conventions, lets say… like, exposing the TRUTH, it is considered outrageous, ridiculous nonsense, and some sick liberal, left wing conspiracy. its actually quite frightening how your average republikaan reacts to the truth. its like a child laughing at you for telling them that santa klaus doesnt really exist. only there are millions of children and they are all convinced that santa has a list and he’s checking it twice.

in a country where non-whites are still considered, or at least treated like second class citizens, we wont be able to address racism abroad much less at home.

we can change all the laws, and create new ones to accomidate non-whites in amerika, and declare total equality amongst all races on paper, documented in the legal system, but that can never change the hearts and minds of those who hold the power over those laws and documents, solidifying and ensuring that the legacy of racism in amerika lives on. obama cant change that even if he wanted to. he’s no different than any other fuck who has represented the rulers of amerika, or anywhere else for that matter.

it seems that all of the 7 deadly sins, and several others are the epitome of todays amerikaan society. it is no wonder why so many other countries around the world refer to amerika as the great satan, or the many other variations of satanic affiliation. and most amerikaans react to that reference with a few right wing disease symptoms, such as, immense hatred, an indifferent shrugg, or a proud schmirk.

pride and competition are very unhealthy things when practiced in real life situations. and at the risk of sounding redundant, not just in the case of when the opposition stands to suffer a great deal, but especially when the opponants are at a far greater disadvantage. this is text book capitalist practice of exploitation. nobody can become rich without casting the majority into poverty.

there arent even many proponants of that school of thought that would disagree with that. they know and fully understand what they are doing, they just dont care. profits have always been more important than life. especially when that life is of a different race, color, nationality, and culture.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 31, 2010, 7:33 pm

Yeah, I use biblical illustrations because probably more than half of Americans have been to sunday school. Add in Jewish and Muslim Americans and you get a large number who are passing familiar at least with Genesis. There’s a huge recurring theme in Genesis, brothers. As in same father at least, sometimes the same mother and like with Jacob and Esau even twins. The Bible as a history book shows a whole lot of people who were just not in any way close to Perfect. None of them. A classic primer on Bad Examples. “See those dudes Jake and Esau? How they live and what they do? Don’t do that. It’s bad”

But it goes to demonstrate that people will even dislike those who are closest to them, their brothers and sisters. There’s a southern saying that’s pronounced almost like Spitting Image.

But what it is, is lazy mouth. Southern speech patterns, it’s “Spirit and Image” contracted to “spi’it and image”. Being spirit and image of Great Grandpa might be a good thing, might not, all depends on how much of a right dishonorable bastard grandpa was. But it especially applies to brothers. So we start out with conflict even among those who share our deepest cultural and appearance similarities.

Part of the human soul, we diverge naturally, and have to work at bringing ourselves together. Over time, like thousands of years, the sheer number of those too emotionally lazy to bring themselves back to at the very least their family, nearest kin…

And it builds up a reservoir of inherited resentment. In the biblical stories each time it happened, it was within two generations, second cousins at the farthest removed… that the killing started.

We’ve come to a point in the history of the American empire that the people of the Imperium are, beyond just taking other lands and subjugating other, more remotely related, “brother by another mother, sister by another mister” kinfolk… we’re almost to a point that involves human sacrifice and perhaps ritual cannibalism, that’s how “united” the Empire has become.

We have Imperial Storm Troopers like the police beating and even murdering people for daring to talk back, and other people stand by and say, “Well, you shouldn’t have talked back, go along to get along”.

As the levels of violent hatred of our countrymen and even our own closest kin boil ever hotter, so do the level of sophistry to “justify” such actions as killing ones own countrymen and even, in the end, ones brothers.

There’s a movie out called “Jonah Hex” where my namesake character and his girlfriend kill 3 different people just in the 20 second commercial. I thought that was pushing the limit, now there’s one called “Machete” where I couldn’t even keep score in the 30 second commercial. And this is how we amuse ourselves. Watching simulations of Americans Killing Americans.

That might be the new “Red Dawn” you were talking about earlier. Then we get, in the same commercial break, people fighting for the sheer spectacle of watching somebody being beaten so much, injured so badly, that he can’t go on fighting.

The crowd screaming “Kill him!” and, so it seems, hoping to see exactly that happen.

They resist the comparisons to the Romans. Hell, the Romans hated the Celts because the Celts performed human sacrifice, then the Romans would go to their arenas and watch human beings, killed in sacrifice to if naught else, their pleasure.

A lot of this way of putting things I get from my Quaker friends.

The Society of Friends in fact. One of our local “Heroes”, Gunny Bob Newman, called the Quakers terrorists much the same way Gomez, Gomez and Montoya described us as Terrorists and, for the same reason. Nary a word of OUTRAGE! from the so-called Patriots who would, if even a measurable portion of their propaganda was right, be incensed at the proposed slaughter of American Christians, not by Foreign Muslims, but by …

American Christians. But they’re not. They get to judge, you see, which life is worthy of that mythical Right To Life and which others, Oh, no, mustn’t do that, mustn’t extend recognition of their Humanity to them because if we do America will become a Socialist Country. They get to judge which are protected under the 6th Commandment and which are merely “killed” not murdered. All in the way the sophistries are spun.

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: August 31, 2010, 8:54 pm

i know that this may be way off topic, but im having a real problem with these media shitheads trying to equate victims somehow with heroes. if you get shot, or get hurt, or witnessed some crime and somehow get injured in the process, you are now granted hero status. where did that come from? who started that stupid ass shit? ide bet my last penny it was some right wing moron chauvinist.

much in the same way they call the people who died in those plane crashes heroes. what makes them heroes? what did they do that was so special to appoint them some kind of hero? maybe if i throw myself down a well, and say that “i was pushed in by some black guy, i think he was one of them al qaedas”, they will select me as mayor of shittown u.s.a. right?

by the way, it may sound like a joke but this isnt a rhetorical question. ide like some answers. preferably from one the moron brothers/gomez twins. they sound like they might be the authority on this particular subject. one of them probably shot themselves in the foot or at least know 2 or 3 or 12 people this has happened to.

i doubt that any of you got the NOFX reference … moron brothers. is it sad that im laughing at my own joke? now that was rhetorical.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 31, 2010, 10:23 pm

A way of dealing with grief maybe. On the part of the families of the dead at least.

The media frenzy probably has more to do with selling the image of death. I do believe some others will have a different take on it.

The exploitation factor comes to mind, if the victim is a hero, then whatever villain did the crime, or whatever class the MythMakers wish to associate with his type of Villainy, to be the Collective Bogeyman of the Week Month Year Decade Century.

It’s really painful to contemplate, you know, being reduced to a price tag for our mortal remains. Thinking about how much they’ll pay our families for our lives compared to what they’ll get paid reselling the Myth. Especially if it leads into an enterprise that guarantees a fresh supply of Victim Heroes every week. More souls to sell.

It’s one of those things, nobody really wants to realize and understand, fully, that he’s been had. That all he worked or fought for was a lie and just made some Rich asshole richer, and more assholish. Disillusionment is a quick process once it starts.

This is how you know that Gomez and Gomez aren’t professionals, else they’d realize that once one is Disillusioned, there’s no way they can bring him back into the Land of La. And would go away and try to find somebody else to build into a Victim-Hero.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: August 31, 2010, 11:41 pm

Say, Gomez and Gomez, you know how I counsel going to see IVAW people? This is a good reason why.

Generally Betrays-us said this is a Hostile Action, to say anything against the war.

By saying that he’s giving his acknowledgment of his own hostile intent in spreading his LIES as though they were truth.

Luis, Angel, I don’t think you’re prepared for that kind of crap. For one, you’re not very good at it. Shows that the Disinformation Detail hasn’t trained you very well or, not at all.

I mean, you can parrot the disinformation you’ve been told, but you kind of break down at times. 5 points for volunteering, minus 7 for volunteering to do something you haven’t prepared for.

You DO know that the Army has paid professional Liars to do this and they’ve got actual training in Disinformation, right?

Not saying that you don’t sincerely believe what you say. That’s not even the point. I had a Great Great uncle who fought for the Confederacy. He was an Infantryman in a Cherokee Brigade.

He took a Yankee “Minie” ball upside the head, tore off a chunk of skull. Doctor told him “That wound is going to kill you” and sure enough, 80 years later it did.

He recovered for a long time. 80 years to be exact. He was a bad-ass. REAL bad-ass. Tougher than petrified dinosaur meat.

He fought hard from age 16 to age 18 for a cause he really believed in, something that hundreds of thousands of his fellow Confederate Soldiers believed in and fought hard for.

But that cause was still WRONG. With or without the support of the people who believed in it. He died at age 98 believing that he had done Right, but he had done WRONG. His struggle and his fight, and that of his fellow Johnny Rebs, was to protect the “states rights” to over-ride the Human Rights of Human Beings, deprive them of Liberty from before the time they were even BORN based on their ancestry and the color of their skins.

Those born in AMERICA were by modern standards AMERICANS. He had fought and killed Other Americans in order to keep these Americans in perpetual bondage. But he was WRONG. The states “rights” he was supposedly defending, were states WRONGS.

So what, when you come to a privately owned website and threaten to Murder AMERICANS for not telling the story YOU were told, that you were somehow doing Right?

WRONG! Every bit as wrong as Uncle Clay was, and all his Confederate comrades.

However, once you get over that, and you’ll have to do that eventually, they can’t keep you Gung-Ho forever without damaging your brains physically… Once you allow yourself to admit that Petraeus and Bush and all the rest LIED to you and USED you like any other piece of their property, to dispose of you once they have no more use for you…. and you turn your anger toward those who rightfully deserve it… well, it’s a major step along the road.

But we’re not the ones who did that to you or to those you were commanded to murder and maim and enslave. Right now your cause for which you say you fought and fight, is the same as Uncle Clay’s cause, SLAVERY.

Uncle Clay died every bit as much a slave as those he had fought to keep in bondage.

Maybe you have another 80 years in which to repent. Maybe not. If you don’t free yourself you, too, will die as slaves. That’s a horrible thing and I don’t wish it on anybody.

Comment from Angel Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: September 1, 2010, 9:45 am

wow jonah i see your getting alittle more less heated and alittle more on the side of dialogue good step now. when do you want to debate like adults and not call each other lyers, im tired of fighting lets debate this without rage how bout it you ready?

Comment from brokengavel   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 1, 2010, 2:55 pm

you cant have an actual legitimate “debate” with someone whose opinions are all based purely on corporate/military lies.

to each individual it applies to, the lies trump the truth, and the truth trump the lies, and so on, and so forth… there can be no clear winner of any such “debate”. i hate calling it that, but thats the word youre choosing to use. i would prefer to be more accurate, and call it a fixed stalemate. all angel wants to do is declare victory by arguing for arguements sake. he hasnt provided any kind of proof whatsoever to anything he has spewed out so far, what could anyone benifit from hearing the rest of his coercive authoritarian rhetoric. if you want to hear that stupid ass shit, you can go to any recruiting office and have a little chat with one of those fascist peddling assholes in the flesh. no where to run in that situation. or better yet, you dont even have to leave the comfort of your own home, and just flip the channel to fox/news corp. lie factory. they parrot the same bullshit from washington and the pentagon that these fucks swallow on a daily basis. thats the same ol’-same ol’ you’ll hear from any of these nazi supporters and collaborators. ya’ see, what angel doesnt understand is, this all may be a brand new experience for him, but this isnt new to us, and that people like us have to conduct a whole reseasrch project, and dig, scrape, and scrounge to find the tiniest little nugget of truth hidden behind all the corporate/military lies, while all he has to do is just sit back in his easy-chair and flip on the corporate “news”, and hes all set.
nothing angel has ever said is based on any kind of actual itelligence, just pure propaganda, in which, he may or may not actually believe. but thats irrelevant anyway, and by default, so is he.

angel, brother jonah has been nothing but gracious, honest, and forthright with you from the start, and now, all of a sudden, you wanna play nice?

i say bullocks to you, fuck!

im really going to enjoy seeing how this all plays out.

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 1, 2010, 3:33 pm

i say let them debate. ’cause nothing will change. there will be no debate, ’cause the truth will shine out as soon as angels whole new found diplomatic facade sheds off.

angel, nobody has ever directly, personally called you a lier, because they are not your lies to claim. you only serve to perpetuate the lies that we are ALL being told by your masters. i sincerely doubt if you are smart enough to orchestrate the kind of elaborate and intricate lies that your masters can conjure up at the drop of a hat. you have only the ability to nod your head in agreement to everthing you hear and see from your beloved uncle slam.

give’em hell brother jonah.

no apologies, no regrets!

Comment from brokengavel   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 1, 2010, 6:17 pm

what else could he possibly have to offer except for
the same tired old regurgitated muck that we all can easily see on the mainstream/corporate media? i havent been impressed by his attempts to reach out to his fellow man so far. i believe, if you scroll up the page, the first thing that comes out of his mouth is, quote: “Hey scum bags lick my shiny american cock”. and then it gets even more vulgar and not to mention way too homo-erotic (for my comfort) from there on. this guy doesnt want a debate, hes looking for a boytoy. i guess raping all those children during his term didnt quench his thirst for sodomy. im also guessing that it was him in those rape photos at abu ghraib whose face was all pixelated out for his protection. theres no doubt that you guys did your country proud during those magnificent moments of sweet sweet glorious victory. and those are only the ones who got caught. ide like to hear the reasons for not showing those photos as well. im guessing youre not concerned with those victims’ freinds and family seeing them raped, tortured, and eventually murdered by our wonderful boys out there fighting the evil scourge for our (and never forget) THEIR wonderful freedom. but that was a long time ago and maybe we should just get over it already, right?

a debate? what a fucking joke!

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: September 1, 2010, 8:31 pm

Yeah, that’s why I put in that link to Spec. McCords videos.

McCord told it like it was, when the Sarge called him out for going back to save the second kid. From the audio when the APCs rolled in (the Bradley mini-tank if you want to call it that) and one of them runs over a former Human Being and they laugh at it… the chopper crew laughing about the kids being hit and saying it’s their daddy’s fault, “bringing their kids to a battle”…

The battle is in their own front lawn. The Battle was brought to THEM.

Then when McCord tried to make psyche sick call, to even TALK to a counselor that the Army tells us repeatedly they provide for, and encourage the soldiers to go to them. And the Lieutenant called him a pussy and threatened him with a malingering charge.

See, I was a Med Service Specialist. Work under nurses, the civilian equivalent is Orderly. But they tell you, in tech school and beyond, they remind you at ever MAS briefing, that if an Airman or in this case Soldier makes sick call, and you can’t diagnose anything wrong, you, the Medic, are supposed to drop a dime on him, write up the basis for a Malingering charge.

Malingering is a court martial offense, if you’re lucky you get off with an Article 15, UCMJ, Commander’s non-judicial punishment.

They could send you to prison for it.

But what happens, right, when what’s going on is PTSD and it would take months or years to get a clear diagnosis? Something the fewer-and-farther-between doctors are supposed to judge.

Something, and Angel, I’ll almost give a benefit of the doubt about it, but it’s been three years since the Regional VA out of Texas ordered the VA doctors not to diagnose PTSD or even the Helmet-head brain injuries. Got caught at that time, I mean.

It had been going on for a while. Gavel and Omega are absolutely right about it, you are being fed lies.

That’s why I linked on to the IVAW stuff. See, there’s a really convoluted, much more tangled than simply “double” standard involved in the rhetoric. Only people who have been in the “situation” are supposed to judge, yet when they DO, they’re shouted down or attempted to be shouted down.

Ron Kovic experienced that 40 years ago. So did John Kerry. Col Scott Ritter is getting an unhealthy dose of it.

Can you picture, you know, how it feels to enlist as a Medic, to believe beforehand that you’re actually going to fix people who really need fixing, on a human level, and be told that you’re really a monkey mechanic? That YOU would have the obligation to report somebody as a Felon for being injured in ways you can’t diagnose, and your “superiors” can’t diagnose?

I’m sure a lot of the vets who read this can see that, if they try. Seeing it is really a harsh picture and the natural human thing to do is turn away. So can others.

All it takes is an instinct for protecting and helping other Humans.

It’s an instinct they try to train you to over-ride and for a while, depending on how suggestible the candidate is, maybe months, maybe years, maybe a lifetime, it’s possible to make almost any Human into the “controlled psychosis” that is the very nature of Pavlovian Conditioning.

They say that it’s necessary, because if they don’t control the souls of the soldiers absolutely, there would be no way for them to fight wars. To which I say “help me out, I’m just not seeing a downside here”.

They have to be convinced that the war is necessary.

I just plumb reckon that if the tables were turned, and if the Empire doesn’t do the intelligent thing and dissolve itself, those tables WILL be turned, and a Foreign Power with a slick advertising program to market their Moral Superiority comes and takes over America, and does that bullshit with “knock and ask” search routine, and if the homeowner says no then a squad kicks down the front door, all the interior doors and make the entire family lay face down in one room while the Search Party “politely and respectfully” destroys their clothing, their stove, refrigerator if the victims have one, punch holes in the walls looking for stash while somebody with a rifle pointed at your head screaming at you that it’s your fault for not being obsequious enough. How DARE they refuse to graciously allow a Foreign Invader to search through their possessions whenever they take a wild hair to do so?

What will happen in America when it’s OUR turn? And if we don’t realize that and change the very basis of what we’re becoming, that IS what will happen. The war didn’t just destroy the infrastructure of Iraq and Afghanistan and give all the money of their nations over to Halliburton and similar companies. America’s treasury has been picked bare as well. The biggest pigs, like Cheney, are feasting on the still breathing corpse of America just as much as they are on “our” Newest Banana Republics.

Saying so isn’t treason. Ignoring it, well, that kind of sort of skirts the edges and dances on the borders and makes several forays right into the very Heartland of Treason.

Surely I don’t have all the answers. Doesn’t mean that I’m going to give up and rely on the Non-Answers our “leaders” put out though. We’re neck deep in the Big Muddy, and the Big Fool says to push on.

Beyond the monetary and spiritual loss of America, there’s the debt that won’t be paid. Not without a total cease fire, pull the hell out and Just Stop The Shit.. We’ll be in a position probably by this time next year we won’t be able to pay the interest on the debts. We’ll NEVER get it down to the principal.

And then there’s generations to come who will take up the NeoCons on their offer of “Let them hate us, as long as they fear us”, Caligula and Nero’s famous saying, well, they’ve got the FIRST half done. Nothing like seeing momma and poppa get slaughtered in your living room to turn a normal kid into a traumatized, grief-ridden and highly motivated Hater of America.

Violence even in the face of vastly superior firepower and technical and tactical advantages, is really easy and when, not ‘if’ it comes out then the Future 9/11s they told us we’re fighting to prevent, are going to be heavier and more grievous to bear than the first.

Comment from Angel Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: September 2, 2010, 5:29 am

i feel the same way about you all that i feel you are fed lies, all tho you do have some valid points. To call soldiers “slaves” is a problem i don’t like that term. To compare us soldiers to confederates is a problem. To call them Nazi’s who rape and pillage nations is a issue. That explains my subtle rage. Most us soldiers are good people and of course once and awhile there are few assholes who don’t belong. There have been crimes committed in war but its war there are no good things in combat. Fighting the Japanese to liberate the Philippines, There is no excuse to attack pearl harbor for the basis of us growth in military power. We liberated Grenada from Cuban control, not to mention spent billions on helping Africans. You see the problem is you all paint the entire military as bad people. Thats not right there are your countrymen. I have known many soldiers and the depiction you paint them to be is untrue i see no balance in your rage. No rage for the Taliban who cut off people’s heads, who will defend the worlds weak what besides the military. Get this and get this clearly war will last forever its just is. Call out the companies then who benefit from the war not Americas blood got damn it there were just kids fighting for what they believe in. Just grant the dead a little respect won’t you please and i will not have any quarrel. I am sorry for the sexual comments and went a little to far but fighting each other ain’t going to change anything.

Comment from brokengavel   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 2, 2010, 1:54 pm

fed lies by who though? who is it that is feeding us lies? it is extremely important for you to know just exactly who it is that is feeding the lies, or you will never be able to undersatnd why we are at odds to begin with. and using the word “slave” is spot on, so, just aknowledge that there will be an endless ammount of things that you are just not going to understand, and wont be comortable with, thats life. especially when it is you that chooses not to learn. the whole “bad apple” arguement doesnt fly when its a constant issue. its all very easy and convenient to just say “war isnt nice, and we will never let it end, so you should just get over it”.

let me just explain one thing real quick so theres no confusion. when i say WE and US, i have permission from my friends, family and our little circle of like minded communists, socialists, and anarchists to say so.

“we” have issues with you always using the word “liberate” which is a joke all by itself. and concerning japan “growth in military power”, are you kidding? does nagasaki and hiroshima ring a bell? but i bet that you think that was totally justified, right? we are constantly bombarded with all this bullshit about amerika being worried that iran and north korea and blah fucking blah are going to kill us all with nuclear weapons. they dont have any, and its very unlikely that they ever will any time soon. and dont even get me started on isreal. amerika is the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons, to annihilate 70000 people in one fell swoop is unforgivable. or at least thats the official death toll given. they are still having problems today with the fallout and remnants of radiation poisoning. let me stop right now, because this could very easily turn into me writing a book in one post. it is your responsibility to do the research. i cant explain every little issue that you are obviously dangerously confused about.

and bringing up africa is a much crueler joke. especially when you dont know the long history of the amerikaan business behind it. another thing you refuse to understand is that the whole idea of military is “bad” to put it mildly. like i said before in a previous post, “it takes a special kind of asshole to even think about becoming a cop, or joining some military service to begin with”. you have to already have a twisted view of the world to consider volunteering to murder an uncountable ammount of people purely based on what your government says. the fact that you would trust your government, or any government for that matter, speaks volumes about who you are inside. puting emphasis on the fact that “they are our countrymen” is irrelevant. if you want to claim to be our countrymen, then act like it. i also have issue with you using the word “balance”. you will never find balance in any opposition you are faced with. dont expect me, or anyone else for that matter, to wait for you to tie your shoes when we are engaged in battle, the real world doesnt work that way. also “rage” is something you have to understand before you can even begin to throw it back into someones face. especially our particular brand of rage. its a problem for us that you people arent educated enough about the politics behind all of the issues we are talking about, and not talking about for that matter. “No rage for the Taliban”? tell ya’ what, the day that the taliban controls the world, i’ll fight them just as diligently as i do those who control the world today. its just as likely that the little skater kids down the street from me will take over the world then it is for the taliban. also, its really weird how much you use the word “rage”. the fact that you think that we dont feel “rage” for the taliban cutting peoples heads off is irresponsible at best. we are absolutely concerned about every tiny little injustice that happens anywhere in the world no matter who the culprits may be. it just so happens that amerika is deeply involved in most of the horendous crimes that are happening all over the world, and its been that way for a very long time. i feel so silly having to explain that. but you have to give me credit for doing it anyways.

also, you still dont get it, that the “companies” and the military/government are one and the same. and we can never have an actual intelligent conversation until you learn and/or accept that fact. none of this shit is new to us because it is our lives. its what we do. we are in a constant state of studying and learning, and like i explained before, always conducting research projects on the happenings in the world in order to sniff out the truth. saying its “just kids fighting for what they believe in” is extremely insulting to those kids you dont even know. the fact that you assume that they join the military based on their beliefs is ignorant at best. it is absurd to ask us to express respect for the things that are so flagrantly unrespectable. we will not help you cover up the horrors of war based on the facade of “respect”. youre right about one thing, “fighting each other ain’t going to change anything” but for now, it would seem that fighting eachother is all that we have, or at least until you learn to seek out the truth as ardently as we do.

oh, and getting all your (dis)information from bill o’reilly doesnt count. there are other media resources ya’ know?

but if youre serious about avoiding the propaganda machines, i would highly recommend indymedia.org truthout.org, democracynow.org, i can go on and on… but if youde rather get your news from the t.v. theres a great little channel called freespeechtv, and i think 1 other called linktv. sorry, sad to say i cant go on and on about those ones. those are the only 2 (real)media news sources found on television that ive ever heard of that do not show commercials or recieve bribes from government/military/corporate amerika. if you think those are too liberal for your liking, theres always the BBC and the CBC. not that good, but better than anything you’ll get on amerikaan t.v.

hows that for diplomacy, eh?

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 2, 2010, 3:37 pm

my partner brokengavel is a blowhard and a computer hog! i love you anyway brother. but seriously, great job all the way around.

but the real problem is communication. if angel is getting his info from newscorp/mainstream media, etc. and we’re getting our info from indepedent research… get it?

lets put it this way, who does the judge trust, his comrade the cop with a bag of dope, or the victim he plants it on?

the difference here is that the cops are obviously already in cahoots with judges, while angel obviously has no connection with newscorp whatsoever. i know, i know, really clumsy analogy, but you get the jist of it, right? i really have to cut down on the smokey smoke.

this could very well be a text book case of chauvinism, maybe mixed in there with a little dab of stockholm syndrome. hes so in love with the idea of government/military that he’ll say, do, and support anything that they even remotely suggest. i dont know if any of you are familiar with nicholas chauvin, soldier of napoleons first grande armee of the french empire… not sure how much of a womanizer he was, but his excessive nationalist jingo-patriotism is legendary. this is me being nice by the way. dont get used to it. i still think that there is something seriously mentally wrong with this kid angel.

at least he’s not alone, right? (waiting for the other gomez twin to chime in…)

i will suck it up, and swallow my pride, and give angel props for making an attempt at diplomacy.

see, i’m not such a bad guy after all. but we’ll see how long it lasts.

no apologies, no regrets!

Comment from brokengavel   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 2, 2010, 6:15 pm

let me clean up my own house a bit.

you might be confused or think you have caught me in a contradiction.

volunteering to murder is different from joining to escape poverty. which, i believe brother jonah touched on in a previous post.

sorry for the confusion.

cheers all.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: September 2, 2010, 9:49 pm

Sources, say you, Angel? Here’s one, My own experience, but that’s been ruled out as a naughty bit of “anecdotal evidence”.

The truth, however, is that I know it to be real. There was a story told to me in Tech School about how the first thing one does as a combat medic is to paint over that red cross on the helmet. This was right after VietNam, mind you. Anyhooooo…

The reason was there was this nasty bit of what was called “communist Propaganda” especially in Asia. About how the U.S. military had moved Munitions disguised as medical supplies.

Gee willikers, sez I, only quietly and to myself, even the most hard-core dumbasses wouldn’t do something like that, right?

Fast forward a few years, I’m well out of the Air Force and the Air Force is well out of ME. My wife (rest her soul) had a pet guinea pig. We needed a cage for said Guinea Pig, Henrietta by name… You’re probably starting to tune out, Angel, so STOP doing it, pay attention…

My brother-in-law who was still in the Army, working as a really low paid engineer for Raytheon, the makers of the Patriot anti-missile missile system, but technically “just” a Staff Sergeant… we scored some boxes from this military dump on Ft Bliss, right near McGregor Range and White Sands. Dynamite Boxes.

Good sturdy boxes that were made in 1949, “Red Cross Brand” Military Grade Extra Dynamite. Now, the Air Force had never told me anything about that, just that the Naughty Commies must be lying about it, but consider, would you recognize the words if they were written in Chinese? Well, you might, since your IP address comes out of Beijing but I think that’s just a little old hijack action you’ve got going. Probably didn’t even think of it, they just told you it was a “secure Tunnel” with no real details.

On the other hand, what Korean soldier or Chinese Soldier would recognize that same inscription in English? Now, I think they MIGHT have hijacked a shipment of what they thought were medical supplies, and THEN found out once they pried open the boxes.

So, if the story of boxes of munitions with the Red Cross painted on them, score one for a little bit of luck and a lot of attention to detail. I doubt very seriously that the Chinese or Russians or anybody else “commie” would have infiltrated Ft Bliss, at the time the single largest military installation in the World (according to the commander of the Military Police, when the NCO club was robbed at gunpoint) in order to plant evidence of a forgotten Conspiracy Theory.

But, Angel, this is what your leaders are up against, people who actually have a long-term memory and the ability to do simple math. Like knowing that two plus two does not add up to a Commie Lie.

To one of a mindset that’s Questing, always on that quest, little things like that DO add up.

Then there’s the story about the Kurdish Shepherd, if you’ve paid any attention at all to the blog you’ll find it in a few places, probably in the more than sixty comments and counter comments on this one post.

So these two Air Force Sergeants with whom I am very well acquainted, one of whom convinced me to join the Air Force in the first place, were joking about the incident. Not something they’d lie about, but they would use it to try to either impress me or make a point or make a jest. MORE ON THAT LATER.

But their wing was TDY in Turkey, patrolling the Northern No-Fly Zone, Kurdistan in other words. By the way, I don’t know if you’ve noticed this, but the Kurds are definitely NOT Saddam Hussein’s “own people”. As in “He killed his OWN PEOPLE!” but if you look at things that way, I’ll accommodate, the Civil War killed almost half a million of “our own people”.

But their pilot, one of them, was flying patrol and shot up a flock of sheep. No doubt, since you’ve been in that region RIGHT? you’ve noticed there’s no such thing as a flock of domestic sheep without a human shepherd. So he also shot up the shepherd. My Sister the Sergeant left that detail out, but I don’t miss things like that. So when first Clinton then Bush said that the Air Force and Naval pilots who flew patrols pre-war ALWAYS obeyed Rules of Engagement and NEVER fired on ground targets unless those Targets were engaged in hostile actions against the pilots or their aircraft.

So, how many sheep do you know who have the ability to use Anti-Aircraft equipment?

There’s more, remember, I said MORE ON THAT…

Her husband, a not-very-many years later, was giving me your lecture about how he was fighting for freedom and was in Turkey, and how I should be damn glad that they don’t do these things here, except to Etta Collins, Briseña Flores, Alyanna Jones, Oscar Grant, the list goes on and on, but they’re really not “our” people so it’s ok for the cops to just gun them down on the street like Mr Grant or in their homes like the other three I named…

But he’s in Turkey, the part he doesn’t mention is that he’s there as a member of the U.S. military providing Logistical, tactical and materiel support to the Turkish Government in the same war against the Kurds where Saddam Hussein was “our” ally. And the Turkish cops blew a guy away in the streets because he was “like me”. Ahem. He talked back to them. Brother in Law, he was defending at the time of this telling, some American cops who handcuffed me THEN beat and tasered me for “talking back” which I’m sure from your earlier posts you heartily agree that “talking back” is a punishable offense, even though it’s not.

So he’s there in Turkey supposedly defending freedom, and with his presence helped the Turkish police murder a citizen of a NATO country. Now, if they had been Kurdish resistance fighters killing a Turkish Cop, and he had assisted like that, he would be charged with Terrorism for helping to kill citizens of a NATO country.

His Air Force and Army Comrades were there supporting that kind of murder of civilians. For all the “freedom fighting” he was doing he could have just as easily held the guys arms while the Turkish cops blew him away.

Now, let’s reverse those roles a bit, shall we? Why, yes, I believe I shall.

Let’s say somebody from America or anywhere else were training fighters in the Taliban to fire and maintain weapons.

Let’s say he’s killed at the firing range by a rebel Talibani.

Like what happened in Afghanistan early last month. Would that person be listed as a “civilian casualty” the same way the American Contractors who were wearing paramilitary uniforms, carrying arms and working for the U.S. and NATO forces were listed?

84 year old Etta Collins, if she were in Kabul instead of South Oak Cliff, Dallas, and Taliban soldiers shoot her through her door at two a.m., would she then be charged and convicted in the Dallas Media, posthumously where it’s easiest to obtain a conviction, of “displaying a weapon”? Would anybody from the American Press fail, as they did with Ms Collins’ case, they failed to notice that they shot her through a wooden door and in order for them to have seen a gun, they would have to be Superman with x-ray vision.

Alyanna Jones who was asleep in her home, the Detroit police shot her to death at the tender age of seven.

The cops told the story that they had entered the house and Alyanna’s grandmother was fighting them, resisting arrest, and the officers guns went off. They were however recording the action on video for a COPS teevee Propaganda Show. Where they fired into the house BEFORE entering.

Quite a bit of difference between the two stories told by the police, yes?

So, you see, that little bit about Anecdotal evidence, Angel…

To me the Police Story is anecdotal PLUS… they have control over every scrap of evidence. Much like George Bush effectively denying that any such aerial attack on a Kurdish shepherd could possibly have taken place because the Pilots follow the Rules of Engagement so religiously.

Oh, I forgot the punch line to that, my sister and her soon-to-be Husband Sergeant found it hilarious. “The Pilot was feeling ‘sheepish’ because he had a ‘baaaaaaa-d’ day”!

HAW HAW HAW HAW! wasn’t that humorous? A man killed and his family left destitute and it was the subject of jokes.

The Air Force, Army, Police, every armed institution of your government have told me or people making inquiries stories that don’t match what I actually experienced and witnessed with my own eyes. Yet, those “anecdotal evidence” incidents shouldn’t be taken as valid evidence.

According to the Police and Military who of course would have NO vested interest whatsoever in covering their involvement in actual crimes, of course of course.

No, the Official Story is the ONLY evidence allowed in that particular court.

By the way, in 1972 John Kerry was being belittled in the Corporate Press for mentioning that American Soldiers had made incursions into The DRVN, Laos and Cambodia, none of whom had any declaration of war from or against the United States.. Even though another soldier, Staff Sergeant Barry Sadler, had written a book, a song and a screenplay for a John Wayne propaganda flick called “The Green Berets” and in both the book and the screenplay had cheerfully boasted of such incursions.

The difference, even though neither Sgt Sadler’s nor John Kerry’s “anecdotal evidence” matched the Official Pentagon Lie err I mean “line”, was that John Kerry was a member of VVAW.

The same professional draft-dodging liar, Jerome Corsi, who engineered the “Swift Boat” campaign against John Kerry, on behalf of the Draft Dodgers Bush and Cheney (Bush was a deserter actually) is also the “genius” mastermind behind the Faked stories about President Obama and the birth certificate.

Also in 1972, Agent Orange was known, but only in anecdotal evidence, to be a killer. Especially when the dead plants were burned, thus the inactive ingredients in it, the ones that have nothing to do with the effectiveness of the weed killer, a class of chemicals called “dioxins”, which they couldn’t take out of the finished product without Destroying the finished product…

Were burned as well, and inhaled into the lungs of unsuspecting GIs who were thus given the fast track method of getting the cancers. People like my landlady’s husband (rest his soul) who handled the chemicals without breathing in the burned residues, had a much slower time of dying.

The Army denied it until 1978. What happened then, sez ye? Well, sez me, the DEA put out a notice about a similar chemical, made by the same Corporate Death-Merchant Monsanto, recipient of about a trillion or so dollars of Government Largesse not counting the research done on their products at Taxpayers expense, called “paraquat” also a herbicide and in this case being used on marijuana fields in Mexico.

The DEA was putting people on notice that some of the poisoned weed was being sold in the United States and that According to U.S. Army Research, the similar product Agent Orange when burned released the dioxins quickly into the lungs and Kill or badly injure the people who inhale those fumes

Anecdotal evidence, versus two very different versions of the Official Story.

Why would I want to believe the Official Story?

Comment from Angel Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: September 2, 2010, 11:41 pm

so broken you are implying that we should of invaded japan with ground troops huh? Cause that would of caused even more genocide for both sides then both the bombs that were layed in japan. Feed you lies i’ll tell you who feeds you lies. 9/11 truthers, ELF, communist groups, anarchist psychos. Liberal progressives through out history who spranged the madness that we are in. Marxists false religious scholars, and i can go on and on and on but it won’t be fair to you, because i believe you have your own mind and may have thought this way your self. Like i did i had no one fed lies to me im just a simple man with common sense who lives by the Constitution. So let me ask you a few questions then. Should of we entered ww2? or ww1? how about korea when the north invaded. how about the gulf war when iraq invaded a smaller neighbor. Should have we not have freed the Philippines from japanese control. Why do make it sound that im being forced lies by who. show me the evidence, with names events that this took place.

Comment from Angel Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: September 3, 2010, 12:01 am

i’m done debating i can’t do it anymore there is no use you all are just angry sad people its unfortunate but sad that america has come to this. Insulting me is pointless cause i don’t care at all for people who are dug into their beliefs that are so narrow minded that you nether have to put up with it or your a traitor wait! That sounds familiar sounds like the same people you criticize you see you are no better then them, look at the way you all talk to people who opposes your point of view. You want to talk about crimes! 400k have died in Darfur by the Sudanese. Oh no they are probably a propped up government by the u.s and did i mention n Korea wow their people are starving whats your solution for it oh no lets beg n Korea to stop. i bet any of you would an american soldier if you had the chance and save the Taliban. I tryed to be nice but it seems the only thing i got it was sarcasm well then the gloves come off its time for you all to face the facts. This site and your ideology will fail as it has always have. i’m sorry it had to be this way i would of loved to debate you all like men not like a kids at a school yard. This has gone too far but its the way it is

Comment from brokengavel   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 3, 2010, 1:13 am

this fuck has bigger mental problems than we thought. looks like i was spot on when i suggested that he suffers from irreparable damage. he also has selective memory. this moron still doesnt get it. i would never be in favor of invading anyone, anytime, anywhere! thats your fun time, dumb ass! so much for diplomacy. looks like you were right all along omega red. theres just no talkin to this fuck. hes stuck on stupid and cant be saved. listen here fuck, i can bombard you with an insane ammount of refferences to the information that you are asking for, but what would be the point? ive already explained to you that i am through doing the research for you, and with the patience of a fucking saint, gave you websites and even a few t.v. stations that would easily point you in the direction to all the information you require to find the truth. but i now know that was very stupid of me. youve already made up your mind. you are exhausting. like speaking to a 3 year old.
i am now convinced that is also your mental capacity as well.

youve already demonstrated your complete absence of intelligence when you used the word genocide to describe a substitute scenario for bombing japan. are you fucking kidding me!?! angel, do me one last favor before you are ridiculed even further, define the word genocide for me, please? dont go peeking into any dictionary either, ’cause i’ll know if you do. i want to know exactly the definition that you were thinking of when you wrote it down the first time. better yet, define the words: communism, socialism, anarchism, capitalism, liberalism, progressivism, marxism… you should know them all, because you have used them all in your last post. should i go on with the -isms?
well, you’ll be happy to know that im not going to. from now on your name is no longer angel, you will only be refered to as FUCK! that is your name now. because that is what you are. thats it. you will be treated in the manner that you have set for yourself. a simple man is right, fuck.
brother jonah, you are far better man than i am. im assuming that you have to put up with the likes of these fucks on a regular basis.
just wait until omega red lays into you.
you think im an asshole? im considered the reasonable one. hes one of my closest brothers. we actually share the same old beat up computer. until now i have tried to talk to him about toning it down a bit, but i guess i was way fucking wrong on that one. omega red, do your worst. i will no longer hold you back. youve got the green light on this fuck! you were right, hes not worth reasoning.

good bye, fuck.

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 3, 2010, 1:58 am

ya’ know what, i know i can be a real hard ass, and this may come as a big surprise to my good comrade brokengavel, but i would just like to apologize to brother jonah for us letting this shit get as out of hand as it did.
but it looks like we wont be hearing from FUCK anymore. so… auf wiedersehen und gott sei dank! but if he comes back… (while raising my fist to the sky).
sorry, i’ll put my bong down now.

Comment from Angel Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: September 3, 2010, 9:45 am

ok weirdos lol

Comment from Angel Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: September 3, 2010, 9:47 am

again no answered you sound like the same people you criticized, find the truth from who the people who talk like they are a prophet and can figure out everyones motive for what they do. Sorry man i don’t smoke that much weed, go out some more and maybe your mind will change. Go ahead bring down the hate but you are nothing more that a sorry ass hypocrite with an agenda.

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 3, 2010, 1:04 pm

wow, fuck is back! hey fuck, you gotta give me more ammo than that. i wanna hear some more of your holier-than-thou american patriotism. now, THAT i can work with. calling us “hypocrites with an agenda” is too weak. are you not feeling so nazi-ish today. take a few moments, maybe sing the national anthem 2 or 3 times, stroke your pee-pee with the american flag on the roof naked(dont worry about the neighbors, they’ll understand), and voila! you’ll be back to your ol’ nazi self in no time. “don’t smoke that much weed?” well then, i think we found our problem. why dont you go ahead, take a few tokes, watch a couple of episodes of trailer park boys, and you should lighten up just enough to take a few healthy ribbin’s to the ego without a single sieg heil outa ya’.
what happened though? you were so gung-ho, and now, all of a sudden, you start blubbering about

“i can’t do it anymore” snivel-snivel…

“sad that america has come to this” waah fucking waah…

“only thing i got it was sarcasm” boo-hoo

“sorry it had to be this way” (ever growing snot bubble).

sounds like weed wont fix you outa this one. i recommend a bullet in the head. that’ll solve everyones problems, right?

for a second there i thought you had magically developed a sense of humor whe you came out with “ok weirdos lol” and then, total meltdown.
shit! just when i thought i found a brand new toy to knock around… PMS is a party smasher!

no apologies, no regrets!

Comment from Angel Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: September 3, 2010, 2:49 pm

no apologies no regrets sounds like the time i gave your mother a facial lol I really actually don’t care “you hobo looking, i am a pussy and so can you how bout this you dick midget without a name” you are lame and so are your ideas nothing but spinach that i shyt on this morning. Yes i was just analyzing what kind a person you would be if i were to change personalities jackass, as predicted a self serving bastard who likes to watch child porn and call it an expansion of human rights. Listen omega red by the way dig the military code name i didn’t know anti war virgins had ranks ha what a joke you peep dicks couldn’t even fight off a child gang even if you had guns. Your’re pathetic and obviously demented in the head. No apologies no regrets sound like the taliban for one second tell me hows Osama doing. Listen fuckface turd you are a coward in the nature that you hide behind a computer spitting your hate expecting to manipulate anyone that will follow you. I bet one of your ideas is to start a revolution and overthrow the us government sounds like a plan huh. I hope one of those dead soldiers family members come to your house and stop your face out. I’m a nazi you have more an common with them no apologies and no regrets sounds like a hitler slogan to me heck. Let me tell you something about kindness something you clearly lack you are no saint you are a fag with a computer nothing more and nothing less. No cares of your opinion. More people agree with me then they do you and thats all that matters. Go live in europe or something seriously you talk and talk. STFU.

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 3, 2010, 5:42 pm

there we go!!! now, thats the old fuck ive been waiting for. glad to have you back, no kidding. oh, and, my mom says thanx by the way. also, how did you know that i look like a hobo? good guess.

no apologies, no regrets! is an outro
that i am currently/temporarily using on this particular site to express that i am not one of those lame ass, fake liberal apologists. and i will not apologize to, and/or for murderers, rapists, and nazi fucks like you, and i will never feel any regrets for it. its actually very self explanatory. but i am not blown away by the fact that i had to explain it to the likes of you.
your ranting and fake insults are more than enough to have you commited to your neighborhood insane asylum. but me, i like it.
i think that your true character shines through when you are in your natural, hateful element. its just who you are inside, and i “hate” it when you try to hide it. especially when you start speaking of such things as “kindness”. which is really bizarre when followed by “a fag with a computer”. class act all the way. only a nazi would expect kindness from someone who is being insulted in their own home. just be yourself. the mood swings are really confusing.

“i raped all these arab children to protect americas freedom, and all i got was this lousy t-shirt”.
wait, you “liberated them from themselves to bring freedom and democracy to their tiny little untouched virgin assholes”, right?

these people who have been around for thousands of years longer than america cant be trusted with their own lives in their own hands so “lets rape the culture right out of them”. that’ll show’em whose boss!

“we are the police of the world, and you better march in a straight line and dont you dare ask any questions about this oil pipeline we’re building through your living room, thats american property, you filthy rag-head! now, wheres the children!”

do me one quick favor, google “omega red” for me real quick. take look at it, read it, then tell me what you saw. what a fucking true moron! i never thought that i could ever feel so much amazement on how stupid one person can possibly be. i thought that you could only find these kind of dummies in cartoons. shows what i know, eh?

its fun though, so, gimme more. i can tell when you really get pissed off, even when you say that you dont care, and it amuses the fuck out of me when im bored. so keep it up.
as you can probably tell we are 2 wacky anarchists with too much time on our hands.

thanx fuck, for brightening our day with your kooky antics.

sincerely,

omega red,
and brokengavel.

no apologies, no regrets!

Comment from brokengavel   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 3, 2010, 6:48 pm

im totally confused by fucks last post. but im not surprised. fuck is constantly using words that he doesnt understand. he needs to at least take etymology 101. that would force him to reanalyze his understanding and in the process also his views on the world.

i want permission to publish it though. its actually some pretty hilarious comedy gold.

i mean, what does this shit really mean?

first off, fuck comes off with:

“i am pussy and so can you”. (followed by)

“how bout this you dick midget without a name”

it doesnt make any sense, but it doesnt have to. its so funny, im laughing my ass off! i swear. im not joking.

then he writes:

“your ideas nothing but spinach that i shyt on this morning”.

im not sure if hes trying to tell us what he had for breakfast, or…
and who eats spinach in the morning anyways?

if thats not funny, than i guess im also smoking too much weed. and i dont smoke nearly as much as omega red.

just when you think it couldnt get more laughs, he come out with:

“you peep dicks couldn’t even fight off a child gang”.

first off, whats a “peep dick”?

im having a hard time even typing that one out without laughing the shit right out of me.

and “child gang”?

im starting to think that our new friend fuck is from somewhere in brazil.

it does start to get a little less funny but:

“come to your house and stop your face out”

i didnt know that a “face” could be “stopped”.

im starting to suspect that our little fuck isnt an amerikaan at all. just a really huge fan of their foreign policy.

it is entirely possible that we’re just dealing with a really bitter and pissy alcoholic.
that would actually explain everything.

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 3, 2010, 7:13 pm

im also covinced that hes not an american either. not to say that he doesnt want to be, but it really is starting to sound very suspicious. everything that comes out of his mouth screams foreigner. i dont want to come off as some kind of a racist, but his broken english doesnt sync up with the americans that i know who have a hard time with the language. and the way that he always tries to sneak in to each post, how the philippines were liberated from japan…
bingo!!! i think we nailed it.
hes not an american. not a real one anyways. one of those fake americans who are in love with fascism, so obvouisly… you all know where im going with this. except for maybe fuck himself. hes always clueless about any of the things that we talk about.

no apologies, no regrets!(i will not apologize for insulting you for your self imposed stupidity, and i will never regret doing it).
just thought ide go ahead and explain that to you one more time fuck. youre welcome.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: September 3, 2010, 9:50 pm

My niece’s daddy is half Filipino. His mom was American Spanish. meaning, in Texas talk, Indian with a Spanish name. I was wondering, myself, why the Arizona situation doesn’t seem to faze Angel. My niece’s name happens to be Angel as well, which is something truly an American phenomenon because nobody else in the world names a girl child that.

She got into a fight with the daughter of some dedicated TeaBags a few months ago. Girl had been harassing her and a black child for about three weeks, tossing around the Nigger and Spic shit like it’s something that she thought of all on her own. Angel (my niece) took it for three weeks, which is about 4 weeks longer than I would. Then the TeaBrat told her to “go back to Mexico”. Angel looks muy chola, no doubt about that, but she’s never been to Mexico and doesn’t speak a sentence of Spanish.

But that’s the kind of crap, you see, that the Minutemen and TeaBags are putting out, and that it’s OUR fault for not “looking mainstream”. Just another node of their war thing. They have to maintain a high level of hatred in order to justify getting essentially children to enlist and go to other countries and kill people for the crime of being “different” and not looking mainstream. Meaning White.

But that’s the level of hate exhibited in the soldiers. Their Masters know better, they really don’t give two shits, Bush or Cheney or Palin would kill their own kids as quickly as they would somebody Third World, as long as they can make a buck or three off the transaction.

As highly paid as they are, though, they’re not even at the top of the Corporate Murder Machine. Now, I suppose that the rich bitches might have a point in their hearts where they store all their love for humanity, kept under lock and key of course.

And it’s even possible to imagine that they would rather have the Others submit to them willingly without having to kill them to get that submission. But since people don’t do that, you know, submit willingly, and the Rich Bitches aren’t going to go and confront the “insurgents” and rebels and just plain old cantankerous Non-Obedient ones themselves, they have to wire up the scions of the Poor with something that is fairly easy to control. Hatred. Racist is the easiest of that sort, but they’ll settle for Religious differences as well. Fear has to play a large part of it.

There’s more Americans panicky and scared of Muslims now than after 9/11, not so much by the vastly under-reported ingenuity of the Arabs and Kurds and Persians and Pashto and Pathan people to defend their homes, and the hinted at fierceness of the resistance.

But by the constant whipping up of Fear and Hatred in the media, FOX is just the most extreme and easiest to see.

Which comes right back to the original theme of this posting. Why not actually show the face of what War really is? How is it treason or unpatriotic to show or be shown what they wanted?

They wanted War, well, that’s what their wishes look like when granted. The Point Angel and Luis and many other tried to make was a non-point. They say that seeing the truth will make Americans less willing to send more Americans into the Meat Grinder. That part is true. Then they try to paint the people who tell the Truth as liars. The people who don’t follow the crowd and don’t echo the howl of their hatred from within the safety of the Mob are supposedly the “cowards”.

The ones who face that mob, everywhere and every day, risk our lives to actually take a stand for freedom, we’re the ones who are supposedly Anti-American and against Freedom.

The Orwellian doublespeak would be funny if it weren’t so deadly serious.

Angel, Luis, any of those who object to seeing the Dead while pushing for those people to DIE, you’re being cowardly. Too afraid to face up to the consequences of their Hatred Mongering.

The Richest don’t care one way or another, it’s not their kids going over to kill Other Kids. It’s the kids of those who are told to send their children off to fight for the wealth of the Richest.
One of the Robber Barons of the late nineteenth century said that he didn’t worry about Unions because he could simply hire half of the workers to kill the other half.

It’s not very funny, is it, Angel-Luis-whoever else, when you can see what it looks like when half of the workers are hired to kill the other half? It’s even worse to realize that the Robber Barons of today really don’t pay their Killer Workers to do the “job”. They get the scions of the poor and maybe the middle management Bourgeoisie to pay for the Fratricide.

The Parasite Class not only aren’t going to shed their own blood they’re not even going to shed their money, the money they got for other people dying.

Comment from brokengavel   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 4, 2010, 1:22 am

its extremely unlikely that fuck knows who orwell/eric arthur blair even is. or knows what a robber baron is, or knows what the word bourgeois means. hes already demonstrated that he cant even provide a definition for any of the words that he chooses to use. fuck is all about monkey see, monkey do. as long as that monkey is amerikaan, right? he has no thoughts that are truely his own. dont get me wrong, i like to paraphrase noam chomsky quotes once in a while but…
it is also seriously doubtful that fuck has ever even heard a word as common as “paraphrase” in his lifetime. even if that werent true, he still wouldnt be able to supply a definition.
as an anarchist, im a big fan of etymology, but i dont mean to nitpick about grammar, spelling, or concern myself with those who pretentiously throw around big words to seem intelligent, but this fuck is as low brow as you can get when it comes to his own cromagnonian ilk.
see what i did there? sorry, i have a habit of laughing at my own jokes.
but seriously, it really isnt that funny. there was a time when i was a young punk in firecamp, where i met this one homie who eventually told me he couldnt read(he was illiterate). we became fast friends. even though i was an impatient young fuck, with a fuck you attitude,(by the way, not trying to toot my own horn, just trying to share an experience) but i taught him to read. i never felt sorry for him , because even amongst all the ridicule and shit he would get from others, he never even blinked an eye about it. was one of the first, and most courageous things i ever witnessed in my young tumoilous life.
(is that a word, tumoilous? maybe i just should have said rough). anyway, it wasnt fun.
fuck needs help, no doubt. but the problem is, he doesnt want it. and if ive learned anything im my fairly young life, its that people with serious problems need to work them out themselves. otherwise, they just feel like their being bullied into it. sound familiar fuck?

sometimes i apologize to myself for having no regrets!

suck on that omega! lol

Comment from Angel Gomez   (IP: 76.119.120.37)
Time: September 4, 2010, 8:17 am

Fuck this site i’m out haha too bad nothing is going to change. Grow old fatfucks

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 4, 2010, 12:18 pm

aaaaahh, poor mamasito… there he goes with those mood swings again. he’ll be back. he just needs to change his tampon.

but how did he know that brokengavel was an old fatfuck?

suck on that!

non s’excuser, non regretter!

(pardon mon français, n’est pas très bien).

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: September 4, 2010, 1:03 pm

c’est mellier qui je parle et ecrit.

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 4, 2010, 1:54 pm

je’ne sais pas… pardon moi, mais regarder, c’est “meilleur” non?

let me stop now before i embarrass myself any further. who am i to correct somebody else? je suis debutant, et novice.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: September 4, 2010, 8:22 pm

See, I told you… you do it better than me. But, only so far. See that big Indian on a bicycle in your rear view mirror? That’s me fixin’ to pass…. Heeeeeehaawwww!

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 5, 2010, 8:07 pm

im real good at pronunciation(with pert-near any language), but when it comes to writing… thats where i can relate to yours brother jonah. ive been studying(independently)on and off for some years now. ide love to stay out there(france), live amongst the natives for awhile to get a better command of the more proper french.
other than that, the only other exposure i have to the language is at our local rink where i can talk to a few of the native montreal boys on my amateur adult roller hockey team RED FURY.
i recall reading a post of yours where you say you know several, or a few different languages. what others do you speak, or are at least decent at? i took german in high school, and studied a bit more after, but that was many years ago. ive lost most of it. i can read and pronounce russian pretty good, so im told, anyway. once youve mastered the alphabet it gets much easier. couldnt even guess what most of it means, but hopefully i’ll be able to find the time to work on that one as well.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: September 6, 2010, 1:42 am

I speak a little bit of Deutsch, in fact that’s my biggest phrase “Ich ni spreche auch nur ein kleine deutcsh, bitte, sprechen ein kleine Englisch?” or “Amerikanisch” probably better. One German lady I met here in the Springs say I’m being a lot more polite than she used to get from the GIs back in the late 40s early 50s. If I practice my French I can pass for actually knowing a lot more of the language than I actually do. Spanish I used to speak daily but I’d also have to switch back to English.

I can say “hello” and “thank you” in Korean because I took Tae Kwon Do trying to improve my balance and coordination, before my ankle got really bad.
For pronunciation I have a couple of mental anomalies, one is Eidetic Recall and the other is Mimetic Recall. Actually most people have that, but they have different layers of their own mental strengths which they use more often. Me, I live in Eidetic.

I DO have what’s the start of a clue about how to put together a small program that would function like Rosetta Stone only in Linux. I’ve got a screenreader, designed for blind users, called Orca, which is a windowing-environment patch for the command line espeak. Since it’s Linux it’s Open Source, meaning I can put the components together. Autoscroll is another one, I can probably put together the nouns for any given language using pictures, a command line that says ‘
goto [name of first picture]
espeak [name_english name_deutsch] pause=1000
##length of pause measured in milliseconds
then
goto[picture+1]

I’d have to work it into a loop. That would work for the nouns.

Conjugating the verbs, adverbs and adjectives on the fly is more a matter of practice practice practice than anything else.
I know on the Rosetta Stone demo that they play on their TV commercial they have a series of four pictures, one of which is a horse jumping, then the narrator says “el caballo salta”. and you pick out which picture it is.

Basically I’d have to jam together a bunch of existing programs.
the espeak program jams together festival and festvox, one is a text-to-speech and the other is speech-to-text.

BUT THEN, you have to be around and converse with people who also speak the language. Which in America there’s people who do speak the languages, but the Rednecks make them feel very very unwelcome especially with the speaking of their own language.

Also they’re trying to learn English, the same way you’d be trying to learn French if you were in one of the many countries where it’s the first language or the many more where it’s the Business Language. The Rednecks say differently, and adopt a very haughty attitude about it. Which, considering their command of the English language isn’t anything big whoop-di-diddly-doo to begin with, they really have no actual moral high ground on it. Not that I blame them for not speaking or writing English correctly, it’s the one language that has the largest vocabulary and a grammar and syntax combination that’s for all practical purposes, completely without structure.

The Bushwacker when he was Governor of Texas pushed the “hooked on phonics” program as part of the Public School curriculum. Which is one way to learn SOME English reading and writing rules, but it falls apart really quickly.

His brother represents the textbook publishers who own the license on it. His OTHER brother was governor of Florida which has a similar political structure to Texas, as in, the Governor sets the curriculum state-wide. And, buying the books.

Which is way too much money available and just laying around waiting for that herd of Congenital Thieves to pick up.

I’ve got one project, since I’ve got the Tsalagi (cherokee) syllabary, the “alphabet”, unlike the various Latin alphabet combinations they’re not letters but whole syllables each represented by one character.

It was written by a teacher, lawyer and newspaper editor named Sikawi, spelled sometimes Sequoia, and he has a tree named after him. At the time 90% of Cherokee people spoke the language, now it’s exactly reversed, 10% speak it.

It’s been under some at times brutal assaults from the English Only crowd. They say they’re not Racists but I know better, their attacks on every level of the American Indian languages proves that and does it precisely.

They’d even hit kids in school for speaking their native language, same way they did the “mex” kids in Texas when I first started school, and now the English Only assmunches want to go right back to that. But not in a Racist manner, mind you.

They say it’s to make America more uniform therefore more united. On the other hand, they get really nervous about the E.U. which doesn’t have an Official Single Language because they’re becoming more united AND kick our collective Arse in the business world. And they’re also scared spitless about India which has more languages than the average American can count, again kicking our Collective Arse financially
It’s perhaps not fair to just poke at Americans on that “more than the average can count” it’s the reason a centipede is called a centipede and a millipede a millipede. They don’t have a hundred or thousand legs, but most people stop counting after 32.

But my first project for Tsalagi is to get the correct syntax and write out “This is America, speak Tsalagi” and get an audio of it being pronounced in Tsalagi and sell it as a tee-shirt and bumper sticker slogan.

Neat thing about Sequoia’s Syllabary is that it actually can be used to write any of the American Indian languages, and it’s a HUGE tool in keeping at least some of the languages and cultures alive. The English-Only Manifest Destiny crowd assume that because they’ve (temporarily) Conquered us militarily, they get to dismantle our cultures.

I’ve even gotten just in the past 3 years comments from Right Wingnuts to the effect that Blacks and Hispanics and American Indians don’t have as much of a chance at success because we don’t “look white” and somehow, that’s our fault and it isn’t racist in any way. They even want to impose dress codes on Americans. It’s crazy-scary how the idea of National Uniforms comes up as a component of so-called “libertarian” thinkers, Workers should be easily identified by their clothing. Thus making it easier for the Masters to see which ones are “worth talking to and which ones are just single-task drones whose opinions don’t matter anyway”. But not as a Corporate Slavery thing, you understand, any more than English Mainstream-christian Only would have Racist connotations.

Or in the case of the original post, how the Glorious Mandate for the English Race to go forth and bring the World into their sphere of influence, because the English Culture is ever so much better than anybody else…

How it leads to backlash, like people resisting their Glorious Liberation, and English and American soldiers getting killed by those Ungrateful Peasants who don’t see that Corporate Slavery is actually “freedom” and economic bondage is actually “opportunity”. Black is white Ignorance is Strength, War is Peace.
And in other news, Oceania has ALWAYS been at war with Eastasia.

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 6, 2010, 1:17 pm

ive always been fascinated by other languages, and how others communicate, even as a small child. i shouldve paid more attention to my mother when she spoke spanish to us and others growing up. ide probably be having a bit of a smoother time learning the other latin and romance languages i study today. i chose german in high school beacause it was(at least to me)the easiest, and closest to english that you can get. lazy teen always trying to find the easy way out.

its amazing what a diverse crowd, and how many people from all over the world i have in my life now because of my obssession with hockey. which is weird all by itself, because ive always absolutely HATED sports growing up, with the exception of futbol/soccer. as a welfare family i was dragged around from park to park and forced to join all these baseball and football teams because my dad and older brother were into it(im the youngest by the way). we couldnt afford to sign me up on a soocer team and drag me off to different parks just because “sissy boy” wasnt man enough to enjoy good ol’ merkin sports. even as a small child of maybe 6 or 7 i felt like my life was being highjacked based on others interests. and they wonder how i evolved into such a violent young man. at least i eventually followed into dear ol’ dads footsteps jumping from prison to prison through out most of my life.

my new found extended hockey family has been more supportive and understanding than i ever couldve gotten from my actual blood relatives. we got people from russia, germany, sweden, canada, and many of the other countries whose #1 sport is hockey, or only second to football/soccer. i love how cool and laidback hockey people are. i guess its one of the things that i have always found so atractive about the sport.
i have a canadian brother-in-law, and you couldnt even get him to so much as raise his voice even if you drown him in ojibwa firewater.

you might be scratchin your head, hockey? in califucknia? but this is where in-line/roller hockey was invented. by the way, hockey is a sport that some say evovled from lacrosse, which is what the french stole from the cherokee sport called “wars little brother”, or “little brother of war”. i forget, but something to that effect.

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 6, 2010, 5:04 pm

you should know a little somethin’bout that, right brother jonah? bein from texas and all, where high school football is more important than an education, or even life itself. not to mention the insane phenomenon of prosti-tot/baby “beauty” pageants. where they dress up there little toddlers as hookers, paint their faces up like whores, and teach them to girate on stage like pole dancers. these are the same psycho sick fucks who dont wanna see pictures of dead american soldiers. its very telling of their mentality when they dont mind seeing their sons snap a colar bone or 2 for that extra yard, or watch their 3 years daughters strip on stage, but cant stomach the reality and results of the foreign policies they so ardently demand.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 71.221.105.100)
Time: September 6, 2010, 5:47 pm

Hey, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio have pro hockey.
In Houston if it snows a half inch they close the schools for the safety of the kids. Because it’s like an alien event for them. And the people are really dumb about driving even on a clear dry road in the middle of July. But, they have hockey.
I got a joke I put up on the hockey thread at alfrankenweb, that next year the Stanley Cup is going to be contested between Honolulu and Mexico City. Cause I got some Canuckistan friends, and it’s a joke right up their alley.

We got this dude playing football for Denver, the managers made a business decision that I’d consider really forkin’ stupid, Tebow. Dude played with a broken ankle before. Dedicated to the game, and to me it IS a game, to the point that he’ll have a really short career.
But NFL stands for “Not For Long”. Something about people hurting each other for the entertainment of people who should have something better to do…
Hal Lindsay wrote that it was the equivalent of the Roman Games back in 196-something. Now it’s getting more and more like that, MTV with their “Jackass” series, and movies celebrating people being killed. I thought my Namesake Jonah Hex movie was taking it too far, earlier this season. Like June I think. There were three murders in a 20-second teaser commercial. Then they came off with this movie called Machete and just the teaser is more violent than the Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie in its entirety.

People self-medicate drinking way too much caffeine in order to stay awake, it’s like they’re afraid to dream. From movies like “It” and “Nightmare on Elm Street Part 26″ where they’ll get it driven into their subconscious over and over and over and over that going to sleep will kill them.

For the sake of making a few (hundred)(million) bucks off simulated violence.
Trouble with it is, if people suppress their dreams (there’s a neat book about the subject “The Lathe of Heaven” by Ursula K LeGuin) it’s called Oneirophobia. And dreams are a key to actually being Sane. You suppress dreams and you start to hallucinate. Not “fun” hallucinations that you’d pay for.

So with their quest for more violent entertainment, they’ve perhaps created a truly insane society. But they can watch something like Ultimate Fighting hoping to watch somebody die in front of them, or see the pictures of the dead and dying and still somewhere in the back of their minds believe it’s just another movie.

Comment from omega red   (IP: 108.0.129.64)
Time: September 6, 2010, 7:29 pm

yah, im quite familiar with the NHLs dallas stars, and the AHLs’ houston aeros, and san antonio rampage. actually the state of texas has the fastest growing youth hockey movement in the country these days, according to The Hockey News Magazine. in the NHL, hockey has become a much more skill oreiented game these days, especially with the growing number of european players in past years. unlike some of my friends, ive never cared much for fighting in hockey, not to say i’ll turn my head if it happens. we get a few young fucks that come in now and again and try to prove they can check with the best of us(they never last too long), but in our little local adult league, fighting is strictly prohibited by penalty of permanent expulsion (for obvious reasons). which is perfect for me. but it happens. cant stop frustration from erupting even for the most religiously passive hockey players like myself. i like to let my skills do the talking. cant afford to break a hip at my age, or income for that matter. i would love to see an expansion team in hawaii! i know they have hockey there(at least roller), and that mexico has a national team. they never qualify for any big tournaments, but at least they have a team.

although ive never cared much for sports in general, ive come to my own little understanding that sports CAN be used as an important tool if applied in a more liberal manner other than your garden variety kill, kill, kill mentality. in addition to what chomsky argues, that sports are “another crucial example of the indoctrination system” which diverts joe sixpack from important real life social issues. i think that if we use sports with the purpose(aside from just plain having fun)of venting our sick urges to compete with the intent of trying to destroy our opponent, (as it is applied in our actual, real life situations), we can get kids to develope into more positive and productive, rather than (self)destructive individuals who actually care about their fellow man, rather then trying to put them, and everyone else out of business when they grow up, and are eventually forced to participate in capitalism in order to survive.

Comment from Tiffany   (IP: 158.14.80.140)
Time: September 29, 2010, 1:30 pm

Wow. No, I dont want to see my loved ones fate. Thats their business, not mine. I myself am a service memeber with 3 tours. I myself this year watched 3 of my guys’ fate. The thought of it makes me want to vomit. No one needs to see that. I think you are a fucking idiot. Ill say it to your face. Come around Fort Bragg with this Westborough Baptist Church talk shit and see what your fate looks like. Id like to see that. AIRBORNE!

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 174.24.4.150)
Time: September 30, 2010, 8:55 am

Yeah, you’ll have your buddies force us to comply with your agenda the same way you force the Afghans and Iraqis to comply with your agenda.

Threats like that are Anti-American Terrorism and you’re every bit of what you accused Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden to be.

That’s the “fighting for freedom” your recruiter told you about?
Your recruiters LIE to the children they’re trying to get to join up with your WaffenSchutzStaffel Light wannabees.

Hey, hey, USA, how many American kids did you kill today?
Those people whose bodies you don’t want to see laying dead, did you ever stop to think that it’s YOUR attitude of Total Obedience To YOUR Masters that caused their deaths?
You suck the kids in with your Delusions of Glory and Honor and they wind up coming home in a box.

By the way, I love the way you threaten people you think are weaker than you are. Shows the mindset of YOUR military perfectly.

You only pick fights you think you’ll win.
There’s a word for that too, it’s called “Cowardice” and when you’re doing it with the intent of using Deadly Force it’s called “Premeditated Murder”.

You killed those soldiers in the pictures. With your lies.

Comment from iraq   (IP: 12.239.122.185)
Time: November 30, 2010, 7:50 pm

im an Iraqi citizen and i can say that the marines there personally saved the lives of not only my family but those of my village! jonah, its easy to think your way if you have never had bullets flying inches over your head, or be 2 cm from your cousin and watch their head get blown off by terrorist weapons. stop fighting and be glad your life isnt on the line. enjoy the life you have. you can spend your whole life fighting those who killed your family, but thats just gunna waste your life and not honor the fallen what so ever.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 174.24.22.16)
Time: November 30, 2010, 11:12 pm

You’re in Long Beach California. That’s about as far away from Iraq as one can get and still be on the planet.

The united States started that war. And the one in Afghanistan.
If you really are an Iraqi, and who knows? Then you’re a long way from home. The Corporations who started the war, for their own profit, their CEOs don’t go to the wars, they don’t see the blood and the body parts. They don’t care about honoring the dead any further than it takes to use the death of one soldier to recruit three others.
Neither themselves nor their families, ever would pick up weapons and travel to Iraq or any other country to take their wealth and kill any of the people who resist being robbed.
What we hope here, with these very few pictures of a very obscene war, is to show American children, the same ones the American Military tries to recruit, even as young as elementary school. To show them a little tiny slice of the horror that war really is.

The Marines nor any other American or British or Spanish nor Italian soldiers were there to help the Iraqi people. They were sent there to seize the oil, and to make permanent bases from which they could fly airplanes as far as Indonesia or Russia or China or the Horn of Africa to convince the people in THOSE countries to give the Oil Companies what they want, or face the same destruction they visited on Iraq.

It is that simple. The soldiers sent there, were told lies when they were recruited. Lies from the Army and lies from the corporations who OWN the Army. And now, those corporations Own Iraq.

Comment from Pilarerecto   (IP: 97.112.144.107)
Time: December 1, 2010, 11:00 pm

How many Iraqi ‘village’ people actually can speak English like this?

‘im an Iraqi citizen and i can say that the marines there personally saved the lives of not only my family but those of my village! jonah, its easy to think your way if you have never had bullets flying inches over your head, or be 2 cm from your cousin and watch their head get blown off by terrorist weapons. stop fighting and be glad your life isnt on the line. enjoy the life you have. you can spend your whole life fighting those who killed your family, but thats just gunna waste your life and not honor the fallen what so ever.’

Right Wing Americans are so full of bullshit!

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 174.24.22.16)
Time: December 2, 2010, 12:31 am

Yeah, starting off with “I’m” kind of gave it away.
I mean, sure there would be some Iraqis who support the invasion. Al Maliki made out like the bandit he truly is.
Some people would rather die on their feet than live on their knees, and then… there are the “others”.

He could have made it more believable.

Comment from Army Vet   (IP: 71.229.192.25)
Time: April 22, 2011, 10:20 am

It disgusts me what I read today in the news, or online. How many people have become so complacent, ignorant, and disrespectful to those who do a job they are told to do. These SOLDIER’s/VETERAN’s do a job that approx. 98% of you are not capable of doing, and I for one ask why? Is it because they have pride in the country they live in and wish to share in its rights of freedom? The very same rights that most of you civilans choose to constantly abuse? Last I recalled the last person wanting to go to war is the soldier himself. So next time you start bashing us for the things we do remember this saying. “When the rich wage war its the poor that die.”

Blame your politicians for allowing the press in combat zones and preventing soldiers from doing their job, Blame the media for showing all the negative and none of the positive impacts us soldiers have done. (My unit built 300 wheelchairs for DISABLED IRAQI children, and it never saw the light of day on the news). When you start to think about it, you should really be blaming yourselves for ellecting the officials you did that ordered us SOLDIERS into these situations. You all want to wave your flags around and say “You’re wrong because of this, or because of that.” Well I got news for you. You are more wrong then I, because I chose to do something about it, I chose to help less fortunate peoples in less fortunate countries while you all sit at home and cry about the injustice of American soldiers killing innocent people or some other idiotic statement. What you see and what we see are two different things. And untill you have served FOR THIS COUNTRY I choose to ignore all your idiotic, uneducated, self proclaimed “Holier than thou” garbage.

You want to exercise your rights of freedom then go earn them and quit piggy-backin on those of us who have earned our keep around here. If it were up to all of you “Make Peace not war” you wouldn’t have the kind of lifestyle you have today. So just keep quiet and stay thankful for what you have that some of the world does not have.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.163.216.184)
Time: April 23, 2011, 3:28 pm

Say, are you by chance covered by CHAMPVA? Cause, the same folks who brought you this war for “freedom” as in, the freedom to obey, well, they’re talking about cutting YOUR VA benefits by 15%. And that’s just a start of course, last year they had their retarded followers,

who by a strange coincidence share your belief that the only people who can criticize the Imperial Police State or those who have fought FOR the Imperial Police State,

holding badly misspelled signs and screaming that providing health care would cut into their Medicare. If you’re lucky enough to have survived to age 65, that would be “TriCare” for you. Now the Bastordians who sent you to the war based on the LIE that you were fighting for rights, freedom, or anything other than the Profits of the Corporate Empire, are talking about eliminating Medicare completely. After getting the Medicare recipients to campaign and vote for them based on their Other Lies.

So, Army Vet, don’t count on them actually paying your pension or your medical care much longer.

I mean, that’s the “rights, liberty and freedom” you were actually fighting for. Now that they don’t believe there’s any credible opposition for their agenda they’ll no longer have to worry about actually compensating you for doing their bidding in prior wars.

My Uncle Clay fought for the Confederacy, enlisted when he was 15, when he was 18, in 1865, the took a Minie ball upside the head, tore off a chunk of his skull. Doctor told him he’d die from it, and sure enough, 80 years later, he did.

My cousin Hank, as in SSgt T. Hank Brown, was a fuel truck driver for an armored division in GulfWarz One, fighting to preserve “freedom”, the freedom for the Corporate Overlords to keep Kuwaiti Oil in their possession (“How did OUR oil get under THEIR sand?”) and was poisoned by that Depleted Uranium ammunition they still use all over the place. He almost died from it and a decade after the war, when he was down to 95 pounds (he stands 6′ 5″) they finally, secretly, started treating him at the VA hospital in Des Moines, using the exact treatment for flushing the body of heavy metal poisoning, the Heavy Metal Poisoning they were steadfastly denying was killing so many veterans, like him. And yourself.
They even ordered him not to talk about it. Ain’t that a kicker? After he’d been out of their command structure for a decade the bastards still thought they could order him to keep silent.

Much like you trying to order ME to keep silent even though I’ve not been in your command structure for over three decades now.
And people who have never been military, guess what, Sergeant? They’ve never been and get this They Never Will Be Under Your Command

Think about that the next time you decide to get drunk and try to take away the freedom you say YOU gave them.

If all you “gave” us was Conditional Liberty, the “freedom” to only say what you want us to say, or only “freedom” if we bow to your Corporate Masters, that’s not actually freedom, and you really didn’t give us a damn thing, now did you?

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.163.216.184)
Time: April 23, 2011, 3:31 pm

Incidentally, about Kuwait, Afghanistan, Iraq? They don’t have that Freedom you said you gave them. Their puppet dictators have been killing people for talking back to them, and getting away with it because they have the U.S. Army there covering for their Fascist asses.

If the People of Iraq shoot back at their Pentagon Puppets who you appointed to rule over them, there’s plenty of U.S. Military to put down the “Terrorist Insurrection”.

Comment from Army Vet   (IP: 71.229.192.25)
Time: April 26, 2011, 1:03 pm

Don’t even preach to me about military history, I can trace my family back through the military into the Civil war too. My family has had one male from every generation in the military since the civil war. Doesn’t make you, or me special for that matter. While your at it Brother Jonah if you’re that irate about all this go do something about it, rather then sit back without the intestinal fortitute to do a single thing about it.

I never denied that a lot of this crap has been started because of rich companies. The one thing I am trying to get at is dont complain to the soldiers who are given orders and follow them. You want to change things talk to those who are issuing the orders instead spewing that diarrhea out of your mouth.

This country isnt perfect but it is as simple as this Jonah. You don’t like it, pack your bags and leave. Go see what life is like outside of the U.S. then lets hear your complaints. Half of you that sit back and complain haven’t even left the country. I’ve been a foriegner and seen what other countries are like. I am glad I live where I do. Because as screwed up as it is, it’s the best one around.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.163.172.16)
Time: April 26, 2011, 3:00 pm

Groovy, you won’t listen to or read about Military History eves as it’s being made. Try to refrain from command-words like “Don’t” because after that I usually stop listening or reading or caring.

I’ll go with the next line of thought, and yeah, it involves Military History in living memory, although the Bonus Army soldiers are all dead… They were fired upon by Regular Army soldiers for demanding what their recruiters and draft board had promised them to get them into the Killing Fields in France and Belgium. Fighting not for liberty but in support of British Imperialism. With me so far? Because your Army is still fighting vestiges of that war. It was when the British, with the help of America, claimed the Arabian Peninsula from the defeated Turks for the sake of the Oil Companies. The same reason they’re fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan TODAY.

You don’t like the facts, change them. Fight against those who will throw you, your sons, your comrades and their sons, into battle for THEIR fat-cat profit margin and then tell you lies like “we’re fighting for freedom”.

Freedom to do as we’re told? That’s not freedom. The Rockefellers and Bushes and Tony Blair and BP and the reunited fragments of Standard Oil don’t have any authority to command the obedience and the land and the oil pertaining to the people of Iraq, or Mexico, or Venezuela, or the Oil Pipeline in Afghanistan, or Nigeria…. and neither do YOU, whatever your status as a Veteran is you STILL have no extra privilege of commanding them or for that matter ME to say or do or believe anything. Are we CLEAR on that, Soldier?

You might want to go ahead and say “Sir, yes sir!” on that.

Back to the Bonus Army…. the leaders of that “campaign”, Douglas MacArthur, Patton and Eisenhower, acted under the orders of a man, Herbert Hoover, who is held up as a Shining Beacon of “patriotism” and “conservative virtue” by the same fucktards who are right now cutting your widow’s pension and until the day she becomes your Widow they’ll be making further cuts in her and your VA health benefits.

And you want to echo their words about how fighting for their profits equals fighting for freedom?

I’ll say it again, sir, just in case you missed it the many other times I’ve had to say it. Freedom to obey is NOT “freedom”.

It is at its best a simple version of Fascism.

If by displaying what the Recruiters won’t, when they’re defrauding young men and women and even high school KIDS into joining the army, with their glorious promises of a good career and a good future, if by displaying both the dead of all sides as the true testament of what War really is, if we dissuade one person from joining the Killing Forces then, sir, I at the very least will be proud.

Oh, and that shit they’re pulling about taking away your veterans benefits? it’s to pay down the debt of the Wars they started for their own profit, which have Bankrupted America.

But they’re not de-funding the wars, they’re increasing the intensity and the number of the wars instead, making their War Industry profiteer buddies really really Blood-drunk happy.

Instead they’re going to cut off any freedoms Americans have, by destroying pensions, destroying health care, just not for their own Capitalist Pig selves. For YOU and YOUR family and for ME and MY family. Is that the “freedom” you’re fighting to defend? the freedom for US to put our elderly and sick and disabled out to DIE to satisfy the gluttony of the Super Rich?

The “freedom” to work for the Super Rich at wages they wouldn’t stoop to pick up if they saw it laying on the sidewalk?

Because like it or not, acknowledge it or not, that IS what the Army is fighting for right this very instant.

When you command me “Don’t Preach” about what has happened before and is happening still, what do you propose to do to those of us AMERICANS who you’ve alleged given freedom?

You threw in that “love it or leave it” bullshit in your earlier narrative. What if we don’t?

ARE YOU PROPOSING KILLING AMERICANS FOR NOT BOWING DOWN AND OBEYING YOU?
Because, you see, that is the only level of enforcement you can have for your “love it or leave it” or “don’t talk back” Imperial Storm Trooper commands, bubba.

Put up or shut up, eh? Maybe you think you have enough of the odds on your side to declare war on Americans who disagree with you?

Other than that, maybe you could practice a little civility. You won’t be in the Army for ever, and once you’re no longer owned by them you’ll either have to learn to make your own decisions or be a really pathetic slave to Army dogma.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 69.99.180.194)
Time: May 30, 2011, 6:44 pm

I want to take a big fat dump on your families graves and make you eat it on your hands and knees. Shut your fucking mouth and take the pics of that dead sniper team on the roof. I knew some of those Marines. You are a fucking scumbag.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 69.99.180.194)
Time: May 30, 2011, 6:45 pm

Happy Memorial Day, fuckwad.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 69.99.180.194)
Time: May 30, 2011, 6:47 pm

You dont rate to look at the soles of their feet. Fuck off and die.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 69.99.180.194)
Time: May 30, 2011, 6:57 pm

By the way im part Potawatomi and Sauk and Fox. Those two on the roof are my brothers. I have no idea if the have any blood. You are a faggot and dont rate the title of my Brother. You make me want to vomit.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 69.99.180.194)
Time: May 30, 2011, 6:58 pm

Im also related to Chief Blackhawk, and Jim Thorpe. Quit using an honorable people to spread your garbage. USMC sniper. Finally fuck you one last time.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 69.99.180.194)
Time: May 30, 2011, 7:12 pm

Not one Marine I know killed a fucking baby, but you dont mind showing Mothers their babies dead on the internet to spread fuckall do you. You prob jerk off to these pics. Coward.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.163.172.16)
Time: May 30, 2011, 9:26 pm

Thank you. The fact is that there are a whole lot of dead kids in the wake of all these “liberations” freeing the relatives and friends of the dead kids to serve the Corporate Whore/War Lords who sent the Marines in, for one purpose only, To Conquer and, failing that, Kill Anybody Who They Can’t Enslave. The Dead Kids are usually either called “Collateral Damage” or are blamed entirely on the Resistance in whatever (other, sovereign, not your own) nation they’re invading.

And no, you’re not going to fuck me.

The people who were murdered as a consequence of “serving” in your military, why weren’t you concerned that they would be seen laying in a cooling and congealing puddle of blood BEFORE sending them off to kill and possibly die?

What, do you REALLY expect to be able to intimidate, TERRORIZE, the entire world into obeying Your WhoreMasters? That all you have to do is march in, show the flag, kill a few of the Resistance Fighters and the rest of them will just surrender to you?

Ska-roo that noise, bubba. The Taliban ain’t going to roll over for YOUR Army and be subservient to you any more than you would if it were America being invaded.

Speaking of, the American People who DID resist when YOUR Army invaded their lands and killed their friends and family, well, let’s just say you didn’t get ALL of us.

But we’re compared to the Taliban and the VietMinh in the history written by YOUR Army.

While and at the same time YOUR Army uses Our faces, names, and legends as recruiting tools to get people to enlist and go do to Afghanistan what YOUR Army did to the Dakota Territory, the Cherokee lands, one third of the (other, sovereign, not really yours) nation of Mexico,

So the Whore/War-mongers who convinced you that your own service in THEIR conquests was a good thing can convince gullible young Americans of every ethnic background to conquer OTHER nations. Or die in the attempt.

If ONE American Child is dissuaded from going into the service of YOUR Masters, the ones YOU still worship and obey like a Cut-Nose slave-dog then perhaps I’ve earned the praise of God and the scorn of bitter fools.
Maybe by seeing the “glory” of what death in battle REALLY is, they WILL have the mental tools necessary to resist the Bullshit the military recruiters feed them and thus, don’t get photographed by Army or Marine comrades (what, did you think the Taliban took those pictures? Sir, no Sir!) Maybe THEIR friends and mothers and brothers will never see them in such a position.

And I noticed in all of that, sir, that you didn’t once lament the fact that they were killed nearly as strongly as you lamented the fact that People Would See Them Dead. That doesn’t speak well for your moral priorities, perhaps you can meditate on that for a while?

And no, you ain’t gonna fuck me. Get the thought out of your head.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.247.63.106)
Time: May 31, 2011, 3:53 pm

You have no idea what you are talking about. If you don’t like your Army, Yes yours dimwit. Then go to a third world country, perhaps somewhere in the Middle East or some other oppressive country, where its ok to round up people and suppress freedoms and become a citizen. Im sure they would love to hear you run your mouth about what you do not know of. You are a sad little man. I have no desire to fuck you. Nor did I say I did. Humiliate you yes. There is no glory in death on the battlefield. They don’t get to grow up and raise offspring fit for our society. As they undoubtedly would have. The best part of you ran down your mothers leg. The best part of them runs out in the sand of some country. Do I agree with everything the government does? No and im vocal about it. I would never dishonor any of these honorable Mens memory by using their final most vulnerable personal moments to further that gain. You dishonorable toad. You have the right to say whatever you want. Those boys in those pics defended that right and knew what they were getting in to. They took an oath. To protect and defend my and your Constitution and way of life. I took that oath as well. They paid that oath in full with their life. I have no doubt if they were here today they would do it the same. Something you know nothing about or have forgot at some point. Have some fucking respect. You are using their last moments in life to further your ridiculous gain. Don’t talk to me about morals. These guys had them in spades. Finally i will bow out of your ridiculous conversation as I believe you just want the attention. Go get laid. You are an idiot.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.247.63.106)
Time: May 31, 2011, 3:58 pm

One more thing. I know one of those Marines had a little baby before he died. Great image for his child to see when finding out about Dad is a priority later in life. You should rethink your vehicle for cause.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.163.172.16)
Time: May 31, 2011, 7:24 pm

you gonna tell me that you can shell or bomb people you can’t even see, and expect that no kids or other innocents get hurt or killed?
The Air Force drops bombs from ten miles up in the air and are past the horizon before the bombs hit. Your job as a Marine is to kill other people. Children get in the way of your bullets, bombs, mortar shells, right? Happens all the time and you’re supposed to write it off as the cost of being at war.

But, dig this, Charlie, every war the U.S. has fought in the past century the U.S. military have been the invaders, not the defenders.

If somebody were to mount a vast army that could invade to your town, and command you to surrender your way of life, your religion, even your language, and become subjects of the Invaders, and there was any way possible for YOU to resist, would you do it?

And if those invaders were shooting at you and hit your kids instead, would YOU just let it go?

Do you expect me to think that little of you?

Why would YOU think that little of the PEOPLE you kill while invading THEIR countries?

Right now the Marines are propping up the puppet dictators of every country in Central America except Venezuela and the Terrorists like Ollie North are planning ways to take them over too. You think that in the past century of maintaining the Nation-wide Slave Plantations for the fruit and cattle and soy-bean and coffee producers your Marines never killed anybody?

Or that those people didn’t have to look on THEIR dead sons and daughters, fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, grandparents, grandchildren, freshly killed by YOU?

Your arrogance and conceit is showing, Marine if you so happen to be one.

Might Makes Right? You’ve got more firepower therefore they have a moral duty to Obey your?

Or Else?

What other “Or Else” do you have, torture dungeons like Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo… and sudden death if they don’t obey your orders?

Your Marines and Your Army have done it to my own family, in America, just not in my lifetime. But you’ve never changed, have you? The PEOPLE whose God-given LIVES you suddenly and violently end, in their own homes, what do you call them to justify doing so? What names do you make up for them so you can see them as something other than HUMAN BEINGS created every bit as much in the Image of God as YOU and your Comrades?

So that you can justify, at least to yourselves, forcing the PEOPLE in those homes you bomb and shoot up to look on THEIR loved ones sprawled in puddles of congealing blood?

The PEOPLE you killed, in their own countries, their own homes, Were People. Not gooks, spicks, sand-niggers, wogs, towel-heads, Muzzle-monkeys, Kakiak, Redsikins, Chinks,

No, Charlie, they were PEOPLE.
I’ve repeated that to you because you seem to be wanting to deny that fact to yourself.

You shan’t deny it to God nor shall you deny it to ME.

When anybody looks on that picture of a Marine laying in Somebody Else’s Kitchen, with his firearm next to him, the rifle he was going to use to KILL the person or people who lived in that house, ate their meals at that table.

He died in the act of making other PEOPLE into corpses just like his, because THEY wouldn’t accept YOUR terms of “peace”.

The Peace and “freedom” of slavery. You would call it that if they were invading YOUR home making demands such as YOU make.
Maybe that Marines son or daughter will look at that and think, Daddy was trying to KILL other people, and they fought back.

No apology.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.163.172.16)
Time: May 31, 2011, 7:29 pm

Charlie, your leaders have told the President of the nation you supposedly “liberated” that they will continue to bomb his people in their homes, knowing fully well that Civilians will die and calling it necessary.

Charlie, some of those killed are Children, yes.

ALL of them are Human Beings and NONE of them is so inferior to you or to me or to anybody else that YOU deserve to kill him or her.
NOT ONE. You are no better than anybody on Earth, Charlie, and especially not to a point where you can decide or have your Masters decide for you that those people don’t deserve to live, and to do so without you commanding them in any way.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.247.63.106)
Time: May 31, 2011, 8:00 pm

You have no idea what you are talking about and it shows. You are a sensationalist.. I wont call you journalist, as you dont rate that word. you base none of your reporting on facts. I would imagine you have never been to the countries and met the people there. There are a great many good people there. I know what people are, Ive helped many of them over there. Get off MSNBC’s tit. I sleep soundly at night with all 4 years worth of work total ive done there. Not one thing that I have done was wrong. were not invading countries and we sure as hell aren’t going around shooting innocents. Again walk around Baghdad for a day or two and some human being dying to put you in a jumpsuit and hacksaw your head off will find you. I would gladly post the video they made all over the net, for no reason. Maybe one of those guys on the roof missed one that day. Again, pound sand pussy.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.247.63.106)
Time: May 31, 2011, 8:12 pm

By the way. What extremist Muslim from Chechnya hopped up on coke set up behind a machine gun in the kitchen ever ate at that kitchen you speak of? Im not saying thats what happened in that picture, but it sure as fuck did in Fallujah. The fucking town was taken over by insurgents, you idiot.

Im commenting on the two dead Marines executed on the roof that were protecting Iraqi construction workers rebuilding the building they were in located in, in Anbar province.

Some of the dirty construction workers ratted them out to Jihad believing extremists to fucking execute them, in early morning.

You dont know what you fucking speak of.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.247.63.106)
Time: May 31, 2011, 8:17 pm

Do you know what COIN warfare is? Or are you just blabbering what you heard from your hippie Berkley friends? Who are hippies because its cool and anti establishment? Like yourself?

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.247.63.106)
Time: May 31, 2011, 8:23 pm

I bet you jerk off to Che Guevara, and the traitor Hanoi Jane Fonda too. She should have been executed for providing aid and comfort to the enemy. Im done responding to you clown. Go drop some acid on Haight Ashbury, and be retarded with your head in a hole.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.247.63.106)
Time: May 31, 2011, 8:35 pm

Oh and by the way fuck Bradley Manning. He should be executed by firing squad. He put our country at risk. These pictures do no better. They incite the enemy to do more. Oh and that guy with the hacksaw would gladly cut your head off too regardless of your views.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.247.63.106)
Time: May 31, 2011, 8:49 pm

Ok, looked into your site a little better. Colorado Springs. You muck up a beautiful state.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.163.172.16)
Time: May 31, 2011, 9:24 pm

Gee thanks. You’re still complaining that somebody shows what war really IS?
What, did you prefer that your kids learn the same way anybody else does?

You wanted your kid to grow up and go invade somebody else’s country and kill him and his family in their dining room? That’s what went down there, you know. A Home Invasion.

You know how I know it wasn’t the Iraqi’s who took that picture? Dude still has his Machine Gun with him. Yeah, the one he was using along with his squad to do the same thing to the man who fought back while your comrade was killing his FAMILY in their own dining room.

You know why the directive against showing dead people in photographs? Not so much what you’re thinking, that Bush and his Gang of Chickenhawks somehow had some kind of respect for the fallen or especially the Living.

No, Charlie, what Your Masters wanted to hide was what War looked like because If People Knew The Fucking Truth They Wouldn’t Willingly Go And Kill And Die For His Fucking Bank Account

So you want to keep hiding the truth, Charlie? You want to continue the lies that have gotten 8000 of your Comrades Killed invading countries that don’t belong to You OR to Your Masters?

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT, CHARLIE, FOR THE KILLING SPREE TO GO ON AND ON AND ON AND ON, WITH MORE PEOPLE, CHARLIE, HUMAN BEINGS LIKE EIGHT FUCKING THOUSAND OF YOUR COMRADES AND THE NUMBER OF THE SO CALLED “ENEMIES” YOUR GODDAMN MILITARY STOPPED COUNTING A DECADE AGO? YOU WANT TO LIE TO THE PEOPLE, HIDE THE TRUTH FROM THEM, CHARLIE?

MAKE YOURSELF INTO A LIAR AS WELL AS A MURDERER?

Do you want YOUR kids to go and die for a series of lies told by some chickenshit Rich Bitch Elitists like the Bush Family and Cheney, so they can convince Other People to go and seize the wealth of other countries, because they’re too fucking chickenshit to do it themselves?

Is that what you REALLY want? For your son to believe LIES? For your son to be a hired gun, a glorified SLAVE, for some ass-hat like Karl Rove or Paul Wolfowicz?

That’s mighty God-damned “honorable” of you.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.163.172.16)
Time: May 31, 2011, 10:29 pm

Colorado, you complained. Gee, what could sully Colorado more than the Colorado National Guard using machine guns to fire on workers, and their wives and their CHILDREN during a mine strike at Ludlow? Or maybe the Sand Creek Massacre, more on that in a minute…

Oh, yeah, people saying that such things committed here and abroad are WRONG, that’s what “sullies” Colorado.

About that Sand Creek Massacre. Colorado Springs just this weekend celebrated the Murdering Racist Son-of-a-Whore Col Chivington, commander of the massacre, as being a hero. By local loud-mouth Racist braggarts who compared the Indian Wars (aptly, but not for the reason you might see fit, Charlie) to the War on “terror”.

Yes, Charlie, Army and Marine and Air Force and Navy personnel celebrating, openly, the Anti-American Terrorist Attack committed by the Third Colorado Cavalry

   Colorado Territory during the 1850′s and 1860′s was a place of phenomenal growth in Colorado homes spurred by gold and silver rushes. Miners by the tens of thousands had elbowed theirway into mineral fields, dislocating and angering the Cheyennes and Arapahos. The Pike’s Peak Gold Rush in 1858 brought the the tension to a boiling point. Tribesmen attacked wagon trains, mining camps, and stagecoach lines during the Civil War, when the military garrisons out west were reduced by the war. One white family died within 20 miles of Denver. This outbreak of violence is sometimes referred to as the Cheyenne-Arapaho War or the Colorado War of 1864-65.  
   Governor John Evans of Colorado Territory sought to open up the Cheyenne and Arapaho hunting grounds to white development. The tribes, however, refused to sell their lands and settle on reservations. Evens decided to call out volunteer militiamen under Colonel John Chivington to quell the mounting violence.  
   Evans used isolated incidents of violence as a pretext to order troops into the field under the ambitious, Indian-hating  territory military commander Colonel  Chivington. Though John Chivington had once belonged to the clergy, his compassion for his fellow man didn’t extend to the Indians. 

 
Sand Creek Massacre
   In the spring of 1864, while the Civil War raged in the east, Chivington launched a campaign of violence against the Cheyenne and their allies, his troops attacking any and all Indians and razing their villages. The Cheyennes, joined by neighboring Arapahos, Sioux, Comanches, and Kiowas in both Colorado and Kansas, went on the defensive warpath. 
   Evans and Chivington reinforced their militia, raising the Third Colorado Calvary of short-term volunteers who referred to themselves as “Hundred Dazers”. After a summer of scattered small raids and clashes, white and Indian representatives met at Camp Weld outside of Denver on September 28. No treaties were signed, but the Indians believed that by reporting and camping near army posts, they would be declaring peace and accepting sanctuary.  
   Black Kettle was a peace-seeking chief of a band of some 600 Southern Cheyennes  and Arapahos that followed the buffalo along the Arkansas River of Colorado and Kansas. They reported to Fort Lyon and then camped on Sand Creek about 40 miles north. 
   Shortly afterward, Chivington led a force of about 700 men into Fort Lyon, and gave the garrison notice of his plans for an attack on the Indian encampment. Although he was informed that Black Kettlehas already surrendered, Chivington pressed on with what he considered the perfect opportunity to further the cause for Indian extinction. On the morning of November 29, he led his troops, many of them drinking heavily, to Sand Creek and positioned them, along with their four howitzers, around the Indian village.  
   Black Kettle ever trusting raised both an American and a white flag of peace over his tepee. In response, Chivington raised his arm for the attack. Chivington wanted a victory, not prisoners, and so men, women and children were hunted down and shot.  
   With cannons and rifles pounding them, the Indians scattered in panic. Then the crazed soldiers charged and killed anything that moved. A few warriors managed to fight back to allow some of the tribe to escape across the stream, including Black Kettle.  
   The colonel was as thourough as he was heartless. An interpreter living in the village testified, “THEY WERE SCALPED, THEIR BRAINS KNOCKED OUT; THE MEN USED THEIR KNIVES, RIPPED OPEN WOMEN, CLUBBED LITTLE CHILDREN, KNOCKED THEM IN THE HEAD WITH THEIR RIFLE BUTTS, BEAT THEIR BRAINS OUT, MUTILATED THEIR BODIES IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.” By the end of the one-sided battle as many as 200 Indians, more than half women and children, had been killed and mutilated.  
   While the Sand Creek Massacre outraged easterners, it seemed to please many people in Colorado Territory. Chivington later appeared on a Denver stage where he regaled delighted audiences with his war stories and displayed 100 Indian scalps, including the pubic hairs of women. 
   Chivington was later denounced in a congressional investigation and forced to resign. When asked at the military inquiry why children had been killed, one of the soldiers quoted Chivington as saying, ”NITS MAKE LICE.”  Yet the after-the-fact reprimand of the colonel meant nothing to the Indians. 
   As word of the massacre spread among them via refugees, Indians of the southern and northern plains stiffened in their resolve to resist white encroachment. An avenging wildfire swept the land and peace returned only after a quarter of a century.

Now, I’ve heard it before, from apologists of Racism or deniers of Racism. That’s all in the past, right, Charlie? Well, the airstrikes committed against unknown and unknowable beforehand dehumanized “targets” earlier today, that’s all in the past too, isn’t it, Charlie?

And they were using just this weekend, among other similarly racist men and events, Sand Creek and Chivington in what was really a Recruiting Bonanza for the military. The recruiters don’t show pictures like the one at the top of the page, nor the ones shown HERE
But instead opted for the sterilized Lies you have painstakingly and in much detail demanded we believe and repeat, Charlie.

A “white”wash, as it were.
Just one of many.

So your claim is that the U.S. Military does NOT have a long-standing tradition of killing civilians and if they did they would never celebrate it, like they were doing at Territory Days this past weekend.

I say your story is bullshit.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.247.64.187)
Time: June 1, 2011, 3:58 am

Do you eat your cheerios with Drano? You should try it.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.247.64.187)
Time: June 1, 2011, 4:09 am

Im a slave to my master. oogidie boogidie. Im so racist. WTF does 1914 have to do with these pictures? With your logic Jewish people should have the right to kill random German today because of hitler. You still cant answer anything im saying logically. Im not demanding anyone believe any lie. This shit is first hand retard. However the bullshit you are spewing isnt you werent even born then.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.247.64.187)
Time: June 1, 2011, 4:18 am

Oh and your mine strike “massacre” was triggered by a kidnapping by the union, with the national guard being flanked by armed union strikers. If you don’t like where you work then leave. Its that simple. Its called freedom.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.247.64.187)
Time: June 1, 2011, 4:22 am

As far as the Indian thing, sure injustice all the way around. All I know is im glad im not nomading with buffalo migration patterns to eat. Still has fuck all to do with your reasoning on posting these photos. Its not 1876.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.163.172.16)
Time: June 1, 2011, 8:45 am

Oh, but it DOES have lot to do with it. The notion that we, as Americans, are so morally superior that we can kill anybody we please in any country we please has not only never stopped, it’s gotten worse.
Like the Chair Force bombing living crap out of living people and turning them into dead people who look remarkably like that Marine laying in somebody else’s kitchen, somebody he was ordered and paid to kill and his comrades did kill.

Now they do it with Drones and call it bloodless… bloodless being an obviously relative term meaning Not Your Blood.
The Indian Wars metaphor is being used to sell the New Indian War. Did you know that in a few of the go-rounds the British EMPIRE had trying to conquer Afghanistan they called it part of The Raj, as in, India?

And the hell of it is, they use images of our culture and societies as Indians to sell the same never-once-changed structure of Military Might-makes-right.

And, as I mentioned in response to your “Colorado” comment, the Government of Colorado and SOME of the people have been all about that Manifest Destiny bullshit since the time of Zebulon Pike and never wavered.
They’re using our Warrior Society image as a metaphor for the Taliban and the resistance groups in Iraq. Label people, including Americans, as “Terrorists” for opposing the Might Makes Right assholes. For resisting using the only tools and tactics they have to fight against an empire which has a lot of money to buy high tech weaponry like drones where the operator can kill HUMAN BEINGS from a computer console.

Dehumanize us, as in the “enemy” or “insurgency” or “terrorists” or “Hippies” or “targets” and you wouldn’t even have to go into the truly racist shit like Muzzle Monkey or Injun or Redskin or Sand-nigger or Gook, that’s just icing on the linguistic cake.

The point is your Military is dehumanizing every aspect of War, making it look to the young kids at the Territory Days/Memorial Day celebration like a bunch of strong, healthy young men marching off to fight nameless not-human “insurgents” in a country far away.

And then there’s the Wounded Warrior Games, where the soldiers who got physical pieces blown off of them and still participate in athletics, wow, what a concept…
They won’t show pictures of soldiers who got pieces of their minds blown off, or cancer from Depleted Uranium or Agent Orange, they won’t show pictures of Ira Hayes (look him up) other than the one where he’s raising the flag on Mount Suribachi,

They won’t show the pictures of Clarence wandering around Polytechnic Heights in Ft Worth talking to himself. Or “Iceman” stabbing himself to death slowly with a needle full of heroin.
Or Hoot Gibson, dying while drunk, 60 years old and looking 90, used to be really young, strong, healthy, marching off to go to the Pacific Campaign and carry a flamethrower rig to burn human beings alive, human beings drafted by their Empire.
They won’t show his picture laying drunk and filthy in a Ft Worth Alley or the forensic pictures from when he tried to catch his last train ride.

They were all Marines too. Decorated heroes.

There’s a politician in Georgia, the Bush Cartel and especially Karl Rove got him elected, named Saxby Chambliss, ever hear of him? He’s up on Capitol Hill cutting the funding for your pension and your health care and those of your widow when you depart this Vale of Tears. He’s a chickenhawk whose family, like those of Your Other Masters, made and still makes money from the wars they send YOU to fight for them.

Got his daddy to buy him out of the Draft, something Clarence and Iceman never had.
But what would you care, right?
I mean, they were black, Hoot Gibson and Mel Mayfield were “white trash winoes” , Ira Hayes was Pima Indian and alcoholic.

Ron Kovic is “bitter and delusional” according to Chambliss, after getting his spine severed in VietNam.

Oh, and the HUMAN BEING Chambliss defeated, with the help of a smear campaign run by Karl Rove? Max Cleland. Former director of the VA. Who left three of his limbs and half his body mass on the operating room floor in VietNam.

Why aren’t you upset about THOSE images? Huh?

Or your comrades in Afghanistan who would go “hunting” Afghans, like trophy hunters, didn’t matter to them if they were Taliban or the “Victims of the Taliban” you supposedly are liberating. Took pictures of them and put them on the Fucking Internet, have you written similar threats, insults and long diatribes about THOSE pictures of dead bodies being put on the internet?

I posted some pictures from Wounded Knee, if you’ve got your browser set up to come only to this page, hit the “home” button at the top of the page you’ll see it.

Just like the pictured Marine you keep whining like a Fucking Titty Baby about us posting, every Soldier at Wounded Knee who was hit by the very limited return fire when they were Slaughtering Americans was “Hallowed Dead”.

They gave more Congressional Medals of Honor for that than for any other single battle in U.S. history, more than for Bull Run, More than for The Bulge, more than for Okinawa,

The reason I put that in, as you say, it’s not 1876. Nor is it 1863 when Sand Creek went down, nor when the Colorado National Guard fired on the Ludlow strike encampment with water-cooled belt fed machine guns, in 1914, nor Kent State in 1970 when the Ohio National Guard fired on students, nor July 28th 1932 when United States Soldiers, under the command of General William Mitchell and three future Generals you might know their names, Patton, Eisenhower and MacArthur, FIRED on their fellow Soldiers and Marines, the Bonus Army, then used fucking TANKS and the threat of further violence to drive the Veterans and their families from their shelters and then burned all the possessions of those Veterans, in Washington DC.

Yeah, none of those are 1876 either. Wounded Knee wasn’t 1876 either.
Nor the Second battle of Wounded Knee, Leonard Peltier, you can find him through the links at the side of the page, American Indian Movement, is still in Maximum Security Federal Prison after nearly 4 decades for the death of an FBI agent who was killed by a bullet from the gun of another FBI agent.

But hey, he’s just a buffalo follower so what do you care?
Just broadly dismiss all of it the same way you dismiss the Dead People your Military are leaving in congealing puddles of blood all over the fucking WORLD including the dead babies.

Just sneer it away and you’ll be cool, right?

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.210.37.195)
Time: June 1, 2011, 10:19 pm

Dude you are the only racist out of us two. You keep calling me a racistand ive sarcastically reciprocated your comments. Maybe you take out of context.

I know who the fuck Ira Hayes is. I’m a Marine retard. Nothing to do with those Marines in the picture. Dont spout off to me about guys battling PTSD in some form. I know plenty of them. They would all agree with me about the pics.

WTF does Ron Kovic have to do with these pics up here? So he accidentally killed some babies and had a rough time with it. He didnt murder them, on a rampage. Dude seriously no ones out there killing innocents. People die in war. if we were mistake freeon all levels of the wars weve been fighting we would have been out of there a long time ago. still has nothing to do with these former students of mineplasterd dead on your page.

Heres another surprise for you asshole. I dont agree with us being in Iraq in the first place. oh wow didnt expect that did you.

“Chickenhawk” catchphrase spewing mother fucker.

i just want my dead brothers off your page. Quit spewing your skewed history lesson.

following migrating buffalo herds for some tribes is fact. Dont twist my words to fit your way of trying to label me a racist. Im a fucking Great (insert more Greats) Grandson of Chief Blackhawk you idiot. I already told you that. But guess what I am an American. we come from all backgrounds. Are you an American?

I dont really give a fuck about your agenda. Just take the fucking photos off you wackjob.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.210.37.195)
Time: June 1, 2011, 10:24 pm

Fuck one thing I actually agreed with you on, and you tried to turn migrating buffalo into something racist. I think you need meds.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.210.37.195)
Time: June 1, 2011, 10:26 pm

And no the war on terror is nothing like the Indian wars. Apples and oranges dude.

Comment from Charlie   (IP: 75.210.37.195)
Time: June 1, 2011, 10:29 pm

Oh and somebody in my unit is out hunting innocent people id put a muzzle in their face, pretty quick. Quit making assumptions on me based on .00001 percent of peoples actions. Jeez your a depressing drama queen. Take the pictures off of the 2 on the roof. Thats all im asking.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.163.172.16)
Time: June 2, 2011, 1:35 am

The “War on Terror” is another war of Conquest. Very simple.
That the Right Wingnuts would say the same thing with a different interpretation, eh.

So, are you still going to teach the next several generations to believe that War is some sort of Glory? Or that it’s all about PEOPLE being killed?
Cause, that’s what the whole debate comes back to, again and again and again and again and again.

As for “your unit” that would include, (chain of command) Everybody in the Military.from the Commander in Chief on down.
Fire team, squad, platoon, company, all the way up. each is a unit.
You might not feel like you’re in the same fight as, say, the StratCom folks who launch drones, but you are. Integrated.

Putting all Esprit de Corps aside, you ARE in the same war as they are. That would put you in the same “unit” as the fellows (Army Rangers) who were posting pictures of themselves killing indiscriminately.

And really, since the only organized Military in Afghanistan is NATO and the one being propped up by your actions, the one whose nominal Sovereign President is so “liberated” and “free” that he’s not allowed to make any decision over the people he’s supposedly elected to represent.

NATO announced just the other day they would continue taking actions that would ensure Civilian Deaths. Airstrikes both manned and Drones.

So, YOUR military, whether you wish to own them or not, they own YOU, are going to deliberately bomb civilians. Just as they have been.

As to that bullshit that it’s somehow your “duty” to break into peoples houses and either cart them off to Torture Centers or Slaughter them, as the person in the picture was doing…
YOU don’t own Afghanistan, WE don’t own Afghanistan, it’s not your fucking country, you have neither the duty nor the right to try.

You’re killing Human Beings in their own homes in their own cities, villages, nation.

If you can’t bring yourself to defy your Masters, to think for yourself, then I sure will think for My Self, and present the evidence to the Future Cannon-Fodder/slash/Storm Troopers as to exactly what they’d be getting into.

Your Masters try to explain away their LIES by saying you can’t fight a war without lying.
I’m just not seeing a downside to that scenario.

If the Truth hinders the efforts of your Masters then that is virtually proof that everything else they do or command YOU to do as their loyal minion is wrong also.

One law for you and another for the Afghan people isn’t “law” it’s Dictatorship and you, Charlie, are squarely on the side of the Dictatorship.

All the bullshit about “freedom” doesn’t stand the test of Truth.
Your Masters admitted before THEY started the war that they would be using Afghanistan as a strategic property, to bring the entire world under their complete economic and political domination.

They call it the New American Century and it’s chock full of the same Dominionist and Manifest Destiny lies that caused them to conquer all the people in what is now the United States.

There’s no difference in their centuries old motive and precious little difference in their methods for achieving those goals of Absolute Dominion. They want to run the entire world for their own profit, and you, Charlie, are just another pawn in their sick game.

So are the people you kill on the orders of your Masters. At least in the eyes of your Masters.

In God’s eye they’re your brothers and sisters, no matter how much you dehumanize them prior to killing or torturing or enslaving them.

And again, back to that picture, THEY have to see the same image of THEIR brothers, sisters, children, parents, grandparents… EVERY DAY as a result of your Invasion of THEIR country.

If the pictures give ONE single soul the strength to resist the Lies that led YOU to The Perpetual Murder Campaign in Other Peoples Countries, that’s a two-edged victory. God gains a soul and Satan loses his evil grip on one. One less StormTrooper for the Empire.

If TWO make the decision not to join you in your un-Holy War Crusade (did you know your Masters call it that? A Crusade. Not that they personally give a shit about Jesus but they use His name to sell THEIR agenda) but if TWO decide not to become Homicide Bombers for your “christian” jihad thats even better.

The murder and conquest spree has continued far too long and, bubba, it’s time to stop it.

You don’t like being lumped in with the deliberate murderers then get your own ass out of their uniform.

Know the exact number of murders it takes to make you a murderer? Only one.

Every person you or your unit or your Corps or your Military as a whole kills over there is murdered.

Because YOU have no right to run their lives, or their country. The so-called “justifications” for doing it, you would have to deliberately turn off your God-given brain to accept them as valid and, Charlie, apparently you have.

Your support for continuing to kill Civilians, and your Masters know they’re killing far more Civilians than “terrorists”, will keep you as an accessory to every murder they commit until you make the decision to stop supporting it.

One of your comrades, an MP, killed a quote “militant” without a trial while the man was handcuffed. Shot him in the face. Got a 12 year sentence for what is really capital murder.
He’ll be out in 4 and a half. You want to talk about putting a muzzle in his face?

Or any of your leaders who continually order the murders of Civilians, not for sport but for Their Own Profit, would you really point that muzzle in THEIR collective face?

I don’t see you doing it so you might as well not say you would.

They’re taking your Grandma off Social Security and Medicare to support their war. Yep. Killing AMERICANS in order to support killing Afghans.

For THEIR profits. Be a fool, be a tool.

I’d like to say that I don’t care but, hey, I just happen to have been cursed with a conscience that won’t allow me to accept that as blithely as you do. Your War is destroying America, the same nation you’re supposedly protecting.

I don’t think you’re a dupe, Charlie. I think you’re fully aware of the Evil you’re doing and you do it anyway.

Not stupid or crazy, just Wrong.

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.163.172.16)
Time: June 2, 2011, 9:29 pm

Hey, Charlie, by the way, your location, you know, Santa Clara CA?
Seems your water is contaminated with aviation fuel from the local military bases ever since WW2.
A Superfund cleanup site. You know the Superfund, right? One of those bad ol’ Liberal entitlement programs to make it where we the people aren’t poisoned by Your Masters The Corporate Giants.

Too bad it’s been repeatedly slashed in order to pay for the war Mr Bush started against the Afghan People.

Hey, maybe your grandma’s Medicare will take care of her when she develops strange “inexplicable” growths that of course have nothing to do with the Toxic Waste.

The Bush EPA rules made it so they can’t go out and, you know, blame the results of Corporate Greed on, you know, Corporate greed or nothin’ like that.

Oh, that’s right, they’re cutting grandma’s Medicare too.

Comment from Daniel Corredor   (IP: 186.30.126.82)
Time: June 3, 2011, 11:20 am

Show moooooore pics of dead soldiers.

Show pics of blast and ied tanks, downed choppers, etc…….

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.163.172.16)
Time: June 3, 2011, 7:28 pm

I’ll use a dope reference here, it’s like belladonna.

A little bit makes you think you’re in heaven, a little bit more, it’ll send you there.

I’ll wait. What’s been shown already, pulls every lie the Military Recruiters tell into the open, and their best and only answer has been a litany of bang-the-drum threats and bogus “patriotic” lies and slogans.

The hundred thousand or so words the Recruiters and their supporters wrote, condemn them perhaps as much as a thousand pictures of Dead People.
They never could prove it false, but instead made the insane demand that we not tell the truth.

Comment from MARINEcorps1776   (IP: 97.83.97.108)
Time: June 6, 2011, 9:51 am

Who is it that fights for “you”? The U.S. Military! Who gives their lives for “you”? THE UNTED STATES MILITARY!!! You are obviously very well educated in what you believe in, so how can you be so ignorant?

Comment from Brother Jonah   (IP: 75.163.172.16)
Time: June 6, 2011, 11:32 am

You fight now for Oil Corporations who love you so much that they don’t even pay the taxes that fund YOU fighting for THEIR profits.

Who love you so much that they send you to kill and die in Their Wars but want to cut your VA benefits if you live long enough to collect them, or if you’re wounded so badly that you’ll (attempt to) Collect Them. Your Marine Corps first foreign mission was to attempt to resolve a dispute between American Slave Traders and Libyan Slave Traders and, by the way, the Marines LOST that engagement.

Did you comprehend that, Marine (if such you are)? The First Overseas Mission Of The United States Marine Corps Was To Support Slavery, Not Freedom.

It hasn’t changed at all.

Now, because of the ever increasing belligerence of those who would use every citizen of the United States as pawns in thei Game of International Domination, and their ever increasing use of especially Military Power, meaning the PEOPLE they trained from childhood to believe the LIES, Recruited With LIES and made to fight in wars which were started on the basis of LIES, have bankrupted America and in the process murdered 8000 of their most loyal followers and a countless number of the so-called “enemies”.

If by publishing those pictures we can educate the younger people, the ones the Military Industrial Complex is recruiting even in Kindergartens…

I shit you not, Marine, they send Recruiters to Elementary Schools to spread their fertilizer, start convincing the kids when they’re 5 and 6 years old.

Your recruiters lied to you, Marine, and we don’t.

But we’re the ones who are “ignorant” in your judgment.

Those 6 year olds, when they turn 17 in just over a decade, will be “fair game” for the Recruiters to harvest the seeds they planted.

Your Masters have scheduled their war to last not just a “generation” like McCain said, but for a century and beyond and it’s not about Freedom, it’s about the exact opposite of Freedom, DOMINATION.

Freedom to them is just a word they use to convince YOU to do the fighting they can’t bring themselves to do. They’ll use you and throw you away just like they did SSgt Lawrence Richard, SSgt Howard Lanning, Ron Kovic, Max Cleland, Sgt Richards Widow and Sgt Lannings Widow. They don’t give three quarters of a Fat Rats Ass about you or anybody else.

Defend them and say you’re fighting for Us, cool, you have that right. I have the same right to call you a liar on that.

But, really, do you call that kind of treatment, use you up and throw you away, to be “supporting” you or “honoring” you in any way?

George Bush and Richard Cheney and the rest of their sorry worthless crew of ChickenHawk Thieves who started the war in which that fellow at the top of the page was converted from a Human to a Corpse, they mock the very constitution you’re sworn to protect, say it’s “Just a god-damn piece of Paper”.

Yet your Masters with the Recruitment Parades “honoring” you, honor you HOW? By using a false story of how your fighting their battles for their benefit, and theirs alone, is “freedom” and using that to convince little KIDS to grow up to fight their battles for them?

Is that really honor, that they’ll use you in a massive advertising campaign for Corporate Slavery?

I don’t think it is, Marine, and maybe you could meditate on that.

We’re all in this world together, brought in by God, at least in my belief, and each of us a brother unto each and every other.

That includes the ones you’re fighting to Dominate for the profit of a very few who don’t believe in Universal Brotherhood.
They’ll mouth the words in their propaganda but it’s obvious by their actions that they don’t believe it.

So, what, are you going to actually buy ANYTHING they sell?
Because it looks from here that you’re buying EVERYTHING they sell.

The only cure for ignorance is education. Not forcing platitudes like “we’re fighting for your freedom” onto us and demanding that we parrot them.