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Al-Qaeda insurgent training inevident in NYC Times Square fireworks bomber

With a spectacular three digit death toll today, the Iraqi insurgence acquitted itself of all suspicion of having trained and/or coordinated last week’s would-be Times Square fireworks bomber. Explaining the deadliest series of bombings so far in 2010, US military propagandists scramble to blame so-called “al-Qaeda in Iraq” even as they try to tie the NYC firecracker-wrapped Jerry cans to the same resistance experts who improvise shaped-charges for their domestic explosive devices.

The media calls Faisal Shahzad a bomber, but some might question whether the attribution was earned. A failed bomb is still a bomb, but was the Rube Goldberg SUV even all that? It was a lit fuse going nowhere. An Olympian for example, has to have competed at the Olympics. A suicide bomber needn’t have effected a suicide, nor detonated a bomb, but probably has to have been found in possession. Likewise, a sniper, his rifle, a serial killer, his kills. Shahzad left a parked vehicle with something resembling the caricature of the makings of maheh, he’s a pyrotechnician, but obviously we know he’s not even that.

43 thoughts on “Al-Qaeda insurgent training inevident in NYC Times Square fireworks bomber

  1. The detonator for a fuel-air device is a spark plug or something similar. The ones the kids use for their potato-cannon Spudzookas is a sparker for a barbecue grill. He had propane tanks in the car, according to the DHS legend we’re being sold.err.. “Told” And cans of gasoline. Allegedly. That means that any spark which would have ignited the fuses for the firecrackers would have ignited the gasoline fumes and the propane fumes.

    This one apartment village I lived at in Arlington Texas, somebody who Really Should Have Known Better had painted the gas tank for his motorcycle. “empty” of liquid gasoline, which by the way isn’t explosive in the liquid form. It has to be evaporated.

    The tank was “dry”.
    Or so he thought. He tried to dry the paint-job in his oven.
    Blew off his own apartment, the two adjoining apartments and lit the whole complex on fire.

    And that’s just with a little bit of fumes, far less than an ounce of gasoline and maybe a half pound of air in the tank.
    About the amount of gasoline the kids put in the potato guns.
    And the Spudzooka official site warns AGAINST using actual gasoline or propane or even butane, way too explosive.

    I’m holding with the thought that DHS hired a swarthy fellow picked at random to play the part of Mad Bomber.

  2. and you know this, of course, because you were told so.
    Mossad? IDF? CIA? No?

    Wouldn’t make two farts difference, because they also sold their collective soul to CheneyBush, Inc, over the 500 Metric Tonnes, more than a million pounds in American measurements, of Nerve Gas.

    Lied to Congress, lied to the American People, Lied to the U.N., and still, after all that, there’s a few bulbs shining so dimly that they actually take the word of Proven Liars to be incontestable truth.

    And then, there are some who know better, have enough education and intellect to KNOW that what they’re saying isn’t true (ahem…) and do it anyway.

    There would be no crime in being stupid. Or ignorant. And you’re probably neither. That leaves “Liar, Liar, pants on Fire”.

    Oh, and an accomplice to the crimes.

    You do realize, yes, that being responsible for the death of a United States Soldier engaged in the GWOT is a Capital Offense? By both the so-called “patriot” act and also by Executive Orders.

    So that would make you hmmmm… Guilty of Capital murder, in the death of each and every soldier, one count.

    Also, under Nuremburg trials rules and precedents, the death of each civilian in an unprovoked war.

  3. “and you know this, of course, because you were told so.
    Mossad? IDF? CIA? No?”

    I know this from US Attorney General Holder and John Brennan, White House terrorism advisor.

  4. Same difference.

    Now, I know about gasoline and propane as explosives, let me elaborate here. Fuel Air Explosions are what power your car.

    If you drive a two-ton vehicle and get 20 miles per gallon, a pound of gasoline throws that 2 tons of mass 2 and a half miles down the street, using a very inefficient transfer of energy.

    All that’s needed to release that energy is to mix the fumes from the gasoline with air and add a spark. Propane fumes release more energy, actually, measured in what’s known as BTUs, British Thermal Units. If you want a quicker way to find out than actually learning science, buy two coleman stoves, one using Gasoline and one using Propane, and boil some water with them.
    You could save more money and time than that by asking somebody, like, for instance, me, because the Propane stove will boil the water faster.

    Propane evaporates at any air pressure that humans can stand approximately so many degrees below zero that you would never have a need to test that part. Gasoline not quite so low a boiling point. You can’t light Liquid Gasoline on fire, it has to be evaporated, mixed with oxygen. Like a Carburetor does for your car, or letting a few cans of Gasoline sit inside your car.

    If you pour some out on the ground and light it, you’re igniting the fumes, not the liquid, and as the liquid evaporates you’re igniting more fumes. It accelerates the evaporation too, but the point of all that is that it’s the fumes which are burning, not the liquid.

    IF there were that much gasoline and propane fumes in the truck and an actual spark of any kind there would have been an explosion. It is THAT simple.

    Any mechanic knows these things. Anybody who is trained in the use of Explosives knows these things. The only way the bomb described would NOT explode is if the bomb was rigged from the beginning to not explode.

    Gasoline (fumes) or Propane (fumes) mixed with air, and a spark added, would have exploded. That’s simple laws of chemistry there.

    It would not matter if every cop in the world said differently, Cops have been known to Lie, to me and about me, and even lying to me while describing me. Laws of physics, including basic mechanics and chemistry, do NOT lie.

    If every cop in the world said that the laws of physics had taken a vacation then every cop in the world would be lying. If they coordinated it and sang it in chorus they would be Simultaneously Lying.

    It’s like the Lies that the Pigs, Israeli, American, British… said about over a million pounds of volatile nerve gas being moved around Baghdad by underfed, underpaid underage Conscript Teen Soldiers with no safety precautions, none of the rigorous training necessary to handle Nerve Gas without killing your self and a few hundred or few thousand of your neighbors, and no accidents. Not one.

    The United States Military, having all the training, healthy strong adult soldiers, keeping Nerve Gas in climate controlled well guarded warehouses, and very importantly, Not Moving Them Around Through The Crowded Streets Of A Third World City, hastily at that…
    They still have leaks and oopsies every year. There has not been a single year that the U.S. Military has not had an incident wherein one of OUR Weapons of Mass Destruction has accidentally went off since we have HAD the literally God-Damned things in the first place.

    But according to your sources, the ones we must listen to and never question, as though they were Moses descending Sinai with a couple of written over rocks in his hands, (God’s Graffiti) that was precisely what the Iraqis were doing.
    Also physically impossible would be for a million pounds of Nerve Gas or anything else to disappear. For that matter, according to Einstein, who I concede readily knew a helluva lot more physics than I do, even a gram of mass couldn’t disappear.

    So, do you once more Piss on our legs and tell us it must be raining?

    You see a Middle Eastern Religious Fanatic Terror Plot. That’s what the German people were ordered to see when the Reichstag burned down, allegedly at the hands of a Jewish Anarchist.

    Adding the history of the parties involved, and the pure Science they’re attempting to refute, the sum comes out to be …

    FRAUD

  5. ..but a Bomb Expert wouldn’t know anything about Fuel Air Devices.

    They’re nothing new. The Iraqi Resistance, while Paul Wolfowicz was pretending to be a Hot-shot Warrior Prince instead of the ChickenHawk Fool that he really is, visiting Baghdad, they launched some Soviet-made rocket propelled grenades using a modified Potato Cannon made from a generator motor, and almost pegged his stupid arse. The U.S. Army put him under wraps quickly, let him out from his guarded hiding place as soon as the Resistance Fighters left, and said that the device showed the “Desperation” of the Real MEN who opposed him and his Mighty Empire.

    That was six years ago.

    The South African Army and their Rhodesian Comrades used gasoline-fired artillery pieces, if you want the blueprint for one and care to spend $30 you can order it off the internet or just go to any gun show, assuming you’re in AmeriKlan territory, to find it on the net type into your Google box the terms “Backyard Artillery Device”.

    You’d get along well with the bozoes who run that site, because they, too, believe everything Anti-Arab.

    If that times square “bomb” were the level of training al Qa’eda puts out, then it would prove al Qa’eda to be a non-threat.

  6. “If that times square “bomb” were the level of training al Qa’eda puts out, then it would prove al Qa’eda to be a non-threat.”

    Al Qaeda was a pretty big threat on 9/11

  7. I do know how to make things NOT go boom in the night.
    Which entails knowing how the explosions happen in the first place.
    Thus, I know the science of it or at least enough for me to do things like put gas in a car without blowing myself and everybody else to our Eternal Rewards. Other things as well, like the safe handling of firearms and ammunition, the latter happens to also be explosives.

    The use of solvents and cements that are also explosives. And such knowledge does indeed have a Dark Side. The person pumping gas into his bike or car isn’t on the Dark Side. Some Terrorist Bomb Makers, like those employed by the Bush Administration to manufacture and test a Fuel-Air device called MOAB or “Mother Of All Bombs” in order to Frighten The Other Nations Of The World into compliance with their Terrorist Regime through a Terrorist Doctrine known as “Shock and Awe”.

    They were on the Dark Side.

    Their exercises in Strategic Applications of Terrorism netted Them trillions of dollars in revenues for their Oil and War industries.

    It nets the Troops nothing, nor indeed the people of either the Conquered Nations nor for the people of the Conquering Nations.
    The people of the Conquered Nations fight on, as you can see happening in Gaza. They fight against your tanks, aircraft, predator drones, computerized Identification systems, Your Nuclear Arsenal,
    And Your IDF and Your U.S. Army and Your British Army kill them and their children, wage war against civilians, deliberately, the Mighty Empire and the Imperial Storm Troopers, and when somebody fights back successfully enough to knock out one or more of your “Heroic” Uniformed Thugs, you shake your puny fist at him from behind the safety of your guarded walls and call HIM the Coward and the Terrorist.

    The People of the “conquered” nations will always resist you, just as surely as the Bedouins and the Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs fought against Empire after Empire, Rome, Bysantium, the Turks, the Crusaders, the Turks again, the armies of Napoleon, then the Turks again, the British…

    Before the creation of the modern state of Israel the Jewish Resistance used the same tactics you now call Terrorism when others use them.

    Sir, or Madame, the most polite thing one can say is, take your Arrogance, Hypocrisy and Hubris and eat them.

    I’m sure they’ll make a very special meal for you.

  8. “The People of the “conquered” nations will always resist you, just as surely as the Bedouins and the Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs fought against Empire after Empire, Rome, Bysantium, the Turks, the Crusaders, the Turks again, the armies of Napoleon, then the Turks again, the British…”

    Perhaps, you ought to open a history book and learn about the Islamic Empire of the Middle Ages created by Muslim jihadists invading much of Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East, slaughtering millions of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians and anyone else that didn’t forcibly convert to Islam.

    Afghanistan used to be a Christian country until Muslims invaded and massacred the Buddhists, smashing their statues.

    Anatolia, now Turkey, used to be a Christian country.

    Iraq, now Muslim, used to be a Christian country.

    Egypt, now Muslim, used to be a Christian country.
    Since your knowledge of the history of Muslim invasions and bloodshed is so sparse, here’s a little lesson for ya…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

  9. “Before the creation of the modern state of Israel the Jewish Resistance used the same tactics you now call Terrorism when others use them.”

    The Jewish resistance arrived in Palestine unarmed and without a military. They resisted Arab Muslim terrorism. Jews have NEVER in history targeted non-civilians in order to further an ideology, which defines terrorism, such as Islamic jihad.

    Jews are entirely permitted to defend themselves against Muslim terrorism, under the UN Charter and international law.

  10. I am sometimes pleasantly surprised, to come upon Subjects of an Empire in the home region of the Emperors who has any measurable empathy for the Provinces or for the vassal states or their citizens.
    Recognizing them as actual Human Beings, that would be a nice start.
    Saying they have no right to exist even on the same lands that your ancestors, who also happen to be THEIR ancestors, once occupied, and are occupied by both you and them, is NOT an expression of Empathy. The term “brotherly love” escapes you, and you don’t bother to chase it down.

    I try to pity rather than despise. But constant expressions of Hatred mixed with protestations of “love” for the people you choose to be your enemies, that’s kind of grating and tiresome.

    More to the point of this thread, when the Empire which rules over Israel as well as Iraq, and Afghanistan and Pakistan, uses and inflames those hatreds in order to gain financially, I usually don’t even try to Pity.

    When they run out of any hatred they can glean from exploiting ancient quarrels, and start inventing attacks such as the Pakistani Citizen who allegedly was going to construct a bomb from small packets purchased at a large price, of a weakened version of a chemical that can be purchased for a lot less, as in the one who “confessed” to buying nail polish remover in order to construct a bomb, and somebody who lights his Pecker on fire on an airplane, and now this one in Times Square, it would take a lot of heavy duty lying to construct a case that they’re not actors hired to play the part of young Marinus van der Lubbe to “burn the Reichstag” without actually, you know, having anything valuable destroyed in the process.

    It doesn’t help when the “Papish err Zionist ummm “Jihadi” plots are so outrageously stupid that “Staged” leaps to mind… nor does it help at all when those in charge of making the case against the alleged terrorists have a history of LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH in order to provoke public support for a planned Mass Murder aka “war”.

    If there had been gasoline fumes in that SUV there would be no need for firecrackers. Somebody who is allegedly a Pyrotechnics or Explosives Expert or even an automobile mechanic would know that whatever spark was used to light the fuse for the firecrackers would ignite the fumes.

    Very certainly bomb makers who make IEDs that will take out armored vehicles would know that.
    That suggests a lie, and Known Liars such as DHS and other Pigs and even an outspoken proponent of another, related, group of Pigs, the Known Liars IDF and Mossad, jumps in and says that “Herr Hitle” ummmm. Comrade Napoleo ummm The Bible ummm “Eric Holder says that it is an al Qa’eda plot, I believe it and that settles it” well, that kind of doesn’t have a calming effect on the suspicions aroused by the original Lies.

  11. Hey Nonie Nonie,
    The web is too big, the truth too damning, for you to hope to pollute it with Judeo-Christian-only history!

    You’re laughable but also pretty insulting. I personally have little stomach for arrogant know-fuck-alls presuming to pass their bias off as irrefutable.

    “Jews have NEVER in history targeted non-civilians in order to further an ideology”

    –“which defines”– the NAKBA! When Zionists massacred Palestinians to terrorize the rest into fleeing, never to be permitted to return, their homes expropriated for immigrant Jews.

    Israel has gotten away with so much, she thinks her crimes don’t stink.

  12. “the NAKBA! When Zionists massacred Palestinians to terrorize the rest into fleeing, never to be permitted to return, their homes expropriated for immigrant Jews.

    Israel has gotten away with so much, she thinks her crimes don’t stink.”

    You don’t even know what “Nakba” is. Nakba is the mere existence of Israel, Arabic for “catastrophe”

    Eric, open a history book. Jews were massacred by Arabs 1400 years ago when Muhammad beheaded 800 Banu Quraiza Jews and slaughtered the rest of the Jewish community in Medina and Khaybar.

    Read up on the Arab massacre of Jews in 1920 and the Hebron Massacre of 1939. Read up on the Arab massacre of Jews in the Farhud. Read up on the Hadassah Massacre of Jews.

    Read up on the Arab-initiated wars to massacre Jews in 1947, 1948, 1967 and 1973.

    Read up on Hamas firing 12,000 rockets into Israel the past few years, targeting school buses filled with children.

    Read up on the al Aqsa intifada of Pallie suicide monkeys who murdered 1,000 Israelis and wounded 6,000 more.

    Then, read up on the Syrian massacre of 20,000 Syrians in Hama.

    Read up on the massacre of 50,000 Pallies by King Hussein during Black September.

    Read up on the massacre of millions of Christians in Sudan, today.

    Pallies were permitted to return to Israel, where there are 1.5 million Israeli Arabs, 20% of Israel’s population.

    Other Pallies fled due to fear over the ’48 War they initiated. Their own leaders urged them to flee.

    But, ultimately, the Pallies rejected statehood offered them by the UN in 1947 that has caused their pitiful plight. They made a poor decision. That’s their fault, not Israel’s fault.

    Nobody’s homes were expropriated. Pallies fled their homes.

    You have much reading to do, Eric.

    Chop chop.

  13. HISTORY
    The book of Joshua, the book of Judges, the books of Samuel (in the Hebrew scriptures there’s no “Second Samuel” 2nd Kings or 2nd Chronicles, it’s the Book of Samuel, period, and the Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel and Judah period) there’s a great deal of Jews slaughtering Jews over ideology, and Jews targeting entire populations including infants.

    In the books of Ezra and Nehemiah, (here I’m describing books that made it into the King James Version, because of the Christian aspects of AIPAC) when Cyrus of Persia permitted a Jewish (as in Kingdom of Judah) resettlement of Judea and Samaria, surprise of surprises, there were Jews AND Israelites there to meet them when they arrived. The ones who had been left behind because the Assyrians and Babylonians only wanted the richest and most Elite.
    Described in the book of Jeremiah. who was left behind by the Babylonians to minister to he remnants of Judah.

    So what do Nehemiah and Ezra and the Other Elite Wealthy Citizens do once they get back to Judah and Israel(Samaria)?

    They behaved like complete and total butt-munch bastards. Kicking people off land they had farmed for a century, publicly beating men who had married Goyim,(nothing at all Racist about that!) and set up a mini-dynasty of what looks a whole lot like Likud-IDF militarism that ended when Alexander came through.

    So that’s a set of Historical Documentation on which the Modern State of Israel is founded.

    SCIENCE
    Grimm’s Law shows that Aramaic and Arabic both evolved from the Hebrew language, separately and about the same time.
    That shows a historic record that matches both the Arabic and Jewish claims.

    NOT either to the exclusion of the other.

    More Science, God’s gift to mankind was a reasoning mind, hence: Science.

    But the Sciences of Physics and Logic, which would underpin any evidence presentable in court about the authenticity of the DHS and Department of inJustice claims, doesn’t underpin it, but does undermine it.

    Leaving what? The word of Known Liars, Confessed Liars (some of them) against Logic, Chemistry, History, Linguistics

    As to no Jew ever targeting civilians there is, beyond the invasions of Gaza, there’s also Paul Wolfowics, who is Jewish and is one of the ChickenHawk murderers-by-proxy who launched the war against Iraq on drummed up charges.

    And of course Der Uber-Fuhrer Bibi.

  14. Colonel Richard Kemp, a British decorated war hero, has commended the IDF’s exemplary conduct in Gaza. You know better? I think not.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo

    “I am the former commander of the British forces in Afghanistan. I served with NATO and the United Nations; commanded troops in Northern Ireland, Bosnia and Macedonia; and participated in the Gulf War. I spent considerable time in Iraq since the 2003 invasion, and worked on international terrorism for the UK Government’s Joint Intelligence Committee.

    Mr. President, based on my knowledge and experience, I can say this: During Operation Cast Lead, the Israeli Defence Forces did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare.

    Israel did so while facing an enemy that deliberately positioned its military capability behind the human shield of the civilian population.

    Hamas, like Hizballah, are expert at driving the media agenda. Both will always have people ready to give interviews condemning Israeli forces for war crimes. They are adept at staging and distorting incidents.

    The IDF faces a challenge that we British do not have to face to the same extent. It is the automatic, Pavlovian presumption by many in the international media, and international human rights groups, that the IDF are in the wrong, that they are abusing human rights.

    The truth is that the IDF took extraordinary measures to give Gaza civilians notice of targeted areas, dropping over 2 million leaflets, and making over 100,000 phone calls. Many missions that could have taken out Hamas military capability were aborted to prevent civilian casualties. During the conflict, the IDF allowed huge amounts of humanitarian aid into Gaza. To deliver aid virtually into your enemy’s hands is, to the military tactician, normally quite unthinkable. But the IDF took on those risks.

    Despite all of this, of course innocent civilians were killed. War is chaos and full of mistakes. There have been mistakes by the British, American and other forces in Afghanistan and in Iraq, many of which can be put down to human error. But mistakes are not war crimes.

    More than anything, the civilian casualties were a consequence of Hamas’ way of fighting. Hamas deliberately tried to sacrifice their own civilians.

    Mr. President, Israel had no choice apart from defending its people, to stop Hamas from attacking them with rockets.

    And I say this again: the IDF did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare.”

  15. On second thought, you’d be almost right. Sure Bibi and Wolfowicz and their accomplices don’t commit murders against civilian populations for STRICTLY Ideological purposes.

    I mean, belief in Hegemony, that they’re so much better than the rest of us that they deserve to run the world as they see fit, that wouldn’t last long. They would, of course, still use it to convince other people to do their dirty work for them as they rob the world blind.

    They wouldn’t feel that they DESERVE rule over all the world, especially the wealth. They simply WANT it and have figured out a way to grab large chunks of it.

    You could call that a fundamental Lack of Ideology.. They have no god but Money. It would explain readily why they hang out with such soul-less bastards as Cheney and Bush. I mean, Wolfowicz and Bibi would go to Temple, and Cheney-Bush would make an equally false and equally hollow pretense at Christianity, but in the end they’re pure and simple money grubbers, who have no empathy or love for their fellow humans. To Carrion Fowl like them, we’re all potential meals, they’ll set us one against another and feast on the rotting flesh. Or at least rob the dead. Because it’s safer and easier than robbing the living.

    And they’re still lying about this faked up so-called “bomb”.
    NOT built or deployed by anybody who has had any training in the manufacture of Bombs.

  16. Iran is establishing hegemony in the region and, indeed, even Muslims view Iran as the #1 threat to security, not Israel.

  17. Do I know better than a Decorated War Criminal, who gets his Medals from illegal wars? Why yes, I do.

    Again you’re citing statements from War Mongering Baby-Killers, who have a vested interest in Their Own Crimes Being Accepted as “valid acts of war”.

    Your whole reason for waltzing into Gaza and blowing PEOPLE away was to “Control” territory which doesn’t fucking belong to you, to “bring those savages to their knees”, the better to Kiss Your Ever So Superior ASS. Lick your Nazi Jackboots.

    The parallels between Israeli Apartheid and South African Apartheid don’t have to be exact in order to exist. Nor do the parallels between Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto.

    You’re bringing Judaism down by turning it into the Hate System that was brought against Jews You’re becoming the enemy you despised so much.

    Hatred on your part will never conquer hatred on the part of others. You won’t bring the world to its collective knees begging your non-existent Mercy.

    Now, for some “Pro-Invasion” statements from IDF that demonstrate the point,

    When they assaulted with helicopters and tanks the home of a Palestinian Peace activist, while he was broadcasting a message conflicting the IDF version of events, killing unarmed… then saying that they were receiving sniper fire from the house. Or the general direction of the house.

    First, if anybody DID actually fire on the Murderous INVADING PIGS, it would be an act of national defense, not Terrorism. Your IDF PIGS were shooting up the entire country, with heavy artillery, helicopters, jet fighters and tanks, How Many Jet Fighters does Palestine have in its arsenal?

    Then the IDF failed not only to produce a live or dead sniper, a rifle, or any of the bullets allegedly coming from that direction, just an accusation from the MURDERERS that the people in the house had assaulted them. What, did the bullets supposedly fired at the IDF invaders simply disappear? How about the gunsight cameras?
    Surely there would have been video evidence from the attack helicopters, tanks and embedded Propaganda News Cameras? No?

    Typical of Police propaganda, and also Military. You’re constantly using unproven accusations from PIGS as evidence and even “proof” that the PIGS acted lawfully.

    You’re presenting, in short, the same types of evidence the Gestapo and Luftwaffe and Wehrmacht and SchutzStaffel put forth at THEIR trials.

    You think not? The Nazis, to this day, present as “proof” SS and Gestapo documentation that they didn’t operate death camps.
    And said there was no documentation from the people inside the “relocation and labor” centers proving otherwise.

    The Palestinian in Gaza and foreign news services actually did what the IDF could not, actually brought forth at least Digital Video evidence of what was going on.

    Another tell-tale sign that the IDF intended to commit the war crimes which they obviously did, was their refusal to allow anybody but IDF PROPAGANDISTS, like yourself, Nonie, to take pictures or gather evidence.

    That would be so cool, right, I could rob a bank, shoot some people, then have absolute control over any investigation. Name the Forensics Team members who would be allowed to gather evidence. And say that there aren’t any living witnesses or those witnesses I failed to shoot were “making it up”.

    Like the IDF did in Gaza and the SchutzStaffel and Gestapo did in Auschwitz and Dachau and Bergen-Belsen and Sobibor.

    That’s the thing with packing around a big, smoking Agenda. Your dedication to your Agenda is going to get in the way of Truth.

    What next, a letter from Bibi’s Third Grade Teachers Maiden Aunt that he would never order atrocities? Ooohh that WOULD be damning proof that anybody who questions his motives is obviously a Liar, Anti-Semitic and just in general a Big Ol’ Meanie.

    IDF, with the fourth largest military in the world, can hardly play the Helpless Victim role anymore. But apparently some Israelis still do.

    And, to keep the topic clear, the “Bomber” in Times Square, very obviously didn’t have ANY training in how to make a bomb.
    That makes the entire story stink like last weeks fish.

    An engineering degree, right? That alone would give him the skills to make a bomb, because really, BOMBS ARE NOT TECHNOLOGICALLY SOPHISTICATED.

    I collect scrap metal as part of my Making A living. I get more sophisticated timers out of trash cans. Children’s digital watches with an alarm function. and the actual working parts being about the size of an American 5 cent coin. The micro-battery for it is bigger than the circuitry. The biggest part of it is the LCD display, and that’s only because it has to be easily read.

    The simplest bomb in the world to make and it has to be done how? With firecrackers that the “Highly Trained al Qa’eda Bombmaker”with a technical degree from a highly accredited American University, made sure to Look At The Surveillance Video Camera and smile as he was purchasing them? Using a car that’s purchased rather than stolen, an SUV in Manhattan where parking is at a premium, illegally parked, how fucking obviously a Setup does it have to be before people start asking questions?

    Made a “dry run” to make sure he knew where all the video surveillance cameras are. Then instead of getting on a train and going to Canada or catching a Greyhound bus to Mexico, he hangs around for 4 days then gets onto a Commercial Airliner, after his pictures were plastered all over the Internet and on National Goddamn T.V., bound for Riyadh.
    What more would he have had to do, walk into nearest police station and sign a confession?
    I mean, shit, if I were ever crazy enough to plant a bomb, I’d do it wile on my way to the nearest exit. Time it to go off when I’m several hundred miles and increasing rapidly away.

    But a Highly Trained al Qa’eda Terrorist fails to take any of those steps? And the best “evidence” you come up, Nonie, is “The people accusing him, and with vested interest in the story being presented as fact, Said So.”

    That doesn’t work.

  18. A recent survey among Arabs and Muslims found a majority view Iran as the biggest threat.

    The Financial Times
    December 14 2009

    “At the official level, relations between Iran and the leaders of neighbouring Arab states tend to be polite without being warm. But beneath the surface, it seems, suspicion of Iran on the western side of the Gulf has deepened markedly.

    A survey by YouGov, commissioned by Qatar’s Doha Debates and published last week, found that on the Arab side 80 per cent of those surveyed do not believe Iran’s assurances that it is not trying to develop nuclear weapons.

    The poll, which surveyed more than 1,000 people in 18 Arab countries last month, found that most see Iran as a bigger threat to security than Israel, with a third believing Iran is just as likely as Israel to target Arab countries.

    So Manouchehr Mottaki, the Iranian foreign minister, faced an uphill task when he arrived in Bahrain at the weekend to attend a security summit organised by the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

    Iranian officials tried to use the event, a rare occasion on which senior politicians from both sides of the Gulf meet openly, to enlist the support of Arab states as the west considers tougher sanctions.

    Iran was ready to settle any “misunderstandings” about a 1971 statement in which the pre-revolutionary government in Tehran recognised Bahraini independence on certain conditions, Mr Mottaki said. He also opened the door to renewed talks with the United Arab Emirates over ownership of the islands of Abu Moussa and the Greater and Lesser Tunbs, which both sides claim. “There is no issue on which two countries cannot talk and settle through negotiations,” he said.

    Relations between Iran and its immediate Arab neighbours have ebbed and flowed. The Arab Gulf states were strong backers of the Baathist regime in Iraq during its 1980-88 war with Iran. Since then some, notably Dubai and Oman, have forged stronger links on the back of trade and investment while Qatar has built strong diplomatic links with the Islamic regime. This is in spite of other states’ concerns about Shia Iran’s meddling in Arab affairs.

    Khalid bin Ahmed al-Khalifa, Bahrain’s foreign minister, said western nations had only cursorily consulted Arab states in the nuclear dialogue with Iran. Many felt the US and European nations were “talking behind our back”, Sheikh Khalid said. In addition, Arab Gulf states opposed any sanctions that hurt the Iranian people, he said.

    Mustafa Alani, a security analyst at the Gulf Research Centre in Dubai, says the six Arab countries of the Gulf Co-operation Council do not have a unified strategy towards Iran.

    “Countries such as Oman have better relations than those such as Saudi Arabia and the Iranians play on these differences,” Mr Alani said. “The Iranian objective is to negotiate a package deal with the US – its relations with the GCC and even Europe are secondary?.?.?.?They want recognition as a regional power, and they think this deal can be secured from the Obama administration.”

    Iran has said it will pursue its nuclear programme with or without foreign help, opening the door to tougher sanctions.

    The US, Russia and France had proposed a deal by which Tehran would export most of its stock of low-enriched uranium, which would be further enriched in Europe and returned to Iran under a closely monitored programme. Tehran declined to endorse the plan, but protests that a counter-proposal has been ignored.

    “What do they mean Iran has not responded?” said Mr Mottaki. “Iran has proposed a middle way, a compromise solution.”

    Western officials at the IISS summit said the Iranian counter-proposal – Mr Mottaki reiterated that his country needs 10 to 15 nuclear plants to generate electricity – would get short shrift in Washington, where plans for tougher sanctions are being drawn up.

    William Cohen, former US defence secretary, described Mr Mottaki’s comments as “a thumb in the eye” of the international community. “It is very clear what needs to be done,” he said. “If they were so determined to pursue a peaceful nuclear programme, why reject the Russian proposal?”

    Mr Cohen said the appeal for greater Arab involvement in nuclear talks fell on sympathetic ears, but was unlikely to alter western policy. “The issue right now is timing, the IAEA [International Atomic Energy Agency] and the UN have been involved in negotiations for an excessive period of time, and people think time is running out for a diplomatic solution.”

  19. “Do I know better than a Decorated War Criminal, who gets his Medals from illegal wars? Why yes, I do.”

    Sorry, chap, not even close.

    “Kemp was appointed Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE), Military Division, on 25 April 1994 in recognition of his intelligence work in Northern Ireland in 1993, and was awarded the Queen’s Commendation for Bravery for service as a commander in the United Nations Protection Force in Bosnia in 1994. He was promoted Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE), Military Division, in the New Year Honours 2006.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kemp

  20. “Like the IDF did in Gaza and the SchutzStaffel and Gestapo did in Auschwitz and Dachau and Bergen-Belsen and Sobibor.”

    The stark difference, of course, is the IDF responded to 8,000 shrapnel-filled anti-personnel rockets originating from Gaza fired into civilian Israeli population centers, often at school buses filled with children.

    The IDF acted entirely lawfully in protecting its population and, indeed, was duty-bound in doing so.

    The IDF took precautions to protect civilians in Gaza in ways otherwise unthinkable in combat, from conducting a daily, unilateral ceasefire for administration of humanitarian aid, while taking enemy fire from Hamas, who was caught stealing humanitarian aid from its own people…
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-02-04-gaza-aid_N.htm

    …to dropping millions of leaflets over Gaza alerting them of the impending military action to calling and texting Gazans shielding Hamas.

    No other military in history has taken such humanitarian precautions with the enemy.

  21. Nonie- you’re referencing the Financial Times and pretending to be credible?! Take a look at just the first line:

    “beneath the surface, it seems, suspicion … has deepened markedly”

    Let’s see, “markedly” sure contradicts “beneath the surface,” and by adding “it seems” the reporter is already conceding that his conclusion is conjecture. This is the evidence you use to spam comment threads with “Iran is considered #1 threat to Arabs” blabla.

    And DUDE, you’re quoting a decorated soldier about what differentiates WAR CRIMES from… “mistakes?” Let’s guess he wasn’t decorated for making mistakes.

    You can chide us to “read up, chop chop,” but I don’t know what advice there might be for you. You parrot propaganda that is too inane. A loose screw can’t be tightened,

    No other military in history has taken such humanitarian precautions with the enemy.

    Perhaps a bullshit checker would help on whatever software you’re using for cut and paste, if you can’t distinguish it yourself.

  22. The Financial Times, a highly credible publication, cites a well-respected Arab-sponsored survey of Arabs and Muslims who responded that Iran is the #1 threat.

    “A survey by YouGov, commissioned by Qatar’s Doha Debates and published last week, found that on the Arab side 80 per cent of those surveyed do not believe Iran’s assurances that it is not trying to develop nuclear weapons.

    The poll, which surveyed more than 1,000 people in 18 Arab countries last month, found that most see Iran as a bigger threat to security than Israel, with a third believing Iran is just as likely as Israel to target Arab countries.”

  23. Eric, you must be outraged that Palestinians are oppressed by their own despotic Arab government and women are not permitted to laugh in public under the fascist Islamic Hamas rule, while Israeli Arabs are constitutionally guaranteed democracy, freedom, human rights and civil liberties…

    Watch and learn…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YVWk8qjsU8

  24. What outrages me more is military capitalism employing goons like you to spew propaganda all over everyone’s internet. Social communication is for bettering mankind, not further enriching those who kill and steal. But I take heart that legitimizing Israel is a chore made more impossible with every crime exposed.

  25. “What outrages me more is military capitalism employing goons like you to spew propaganda all over everyone’s internet. Social communication is for bettering mankind, not further enriching those who kill and steal. But I take heart that legitimizing Israel is a chore made more impossible with every crime exposed. ”

    You should, then, be outraged that Hamas uses foreign aid and its own money to launch terrorist attacks against Israelis, Americans and other nationals.

    1,000 people in Israel were murdered during the Palestinian al Aqsa intifada and 6,000 more were wounded.

    The Sudanese military is murdering millions of Christians in southern Sudan.

    There are more goons in the Arab Muslim world than anywhere else on the planet

  26. All this, of course, from blatantly Pro-IDF sources and from Right Wing “News” media.

    “Official” sources like that.. eh… The El Paso County Sheriff Dept charged me with waving a rifle at them because I talked back to one of their deputies. Now, I’m sure you realize that talking back is not actually a criminal offense, not felony, not misdemeanor, not even “Disorderly conduct” and you probably also, from the tone of your Pro-Pig rhetoric, feel that it should be, and thus, the charges were necessary even though untrue.

    You can go ahead and think that. Piglovers like you, Nonie, are a dime a dozen and we need not waste our ammunition on you, all we have to do is find out who’s supplying the dimes.
    But it illustrates my point HERE, that your propaganda sources are inherently flawed, because of the False Information they supply you to pass along.
    Such as, the information that’s been spoon fed to the News Outlets about the very obviously FAKE Bomb in Times Square and the actor who is portraying a terrorist for the enjoyment of Simpletons who believe everything they’re told.

    I also, still, don’t believe that you’re that stupid yourself. You know better, yet repeat the lies you’re ordered to tell, without regard to the Human Beings who will suffer death and wounds and poverty and a destroyed national economy because of the wars you’re promoting, provoking and prolonging.

    Thinking that you were ignorant enough to believe the so-called “facts” your propaganda providers gleaned from mocked-up “official” stories, that would absolve you of most of your guilt.

    I won’t do that for you. You could tell your pastor, rabbi or Mossad handler who assigned you to Our “insignificant” website to assign another.

    But really, Nonie, you’re reciting what you learned in school.
    Parroting, even if you know better, you’re only allowed to parrot the Official Line. You might as well be in third grade reciting your multiplication tables with the rest of the class.

    And remember, according to the Official Gestapo and Official SchutzStaffel stories, there were no Extermination Camps, just relocation centers and worker barracks.

    You’ve become the Beast you set out to slay.

  27. You are unable to factually refute me.

    Unintelligible gibberish does not constitute legitimate refutation, unfortunately, for you

  28. Wow… she buried you both in facts, and all you can reply with is a bunch of names… you guys must be gettin’ old… and weak…

  29. She keeps posting Pig statements as though they’re facts, Something a Pig-lover like yourself WOULD applaud. Especially as it involves your Favorite Republican Pastime, Babykilling.

    The so-called “bomb” was staged.
    That’s called Physics, bubba.
    She’s not answered that.
    Your Pig Buddies are trying to use it as an excuse to murder more people , both in Afghanistan and Gaza.

  30. “Facts” like the so-called sniper the IDF was allegedly firing at when they shot up the doctor’s house in Gaza. A sniper never caught on camera, what a surprise, no evidence of that sniper other than from PIG testimony. Just like your lying coward buddies here, Patch.

  31. Comment from patchsl (IP: 164.236.0.11)
    Time: May 12, 2010, 2:58 pm

    Wow… she buried you both in facts, and all you can reply with is a bunch of names… you guys must be gettin’ old… and weak…

    Thanks for noticing. Pathetic, right?

  32. ““Facts” like the so-called sniper the IDF was allegedly firing at when they shot up the doctor’s house in Gaza. A sniper never caught on camera, what a surprise, no evidence of that sniper other than from PIG testimony. Just like your lying coward buddies here, Patch.”

    Had Hamas not initiated the war with Israel and then run and hide like Cowards of Allah, there would have been not one casualty.

    Ever consider that?

  33. Yawn.

    “Patchsl” = Janice Heuberger, local real estate creep, hater of homeless poor

    meet

    “Nonie” = Dan Chinitz, IDF comment troll contracted by Israel to spam blogs which criticize Israeli Apartheid, occupation and ethnic cleansing.

    I’m not sure why we let either of you slime this site with your idiotic venom.

  34. “I’m not sure why we let either of you slime this site with your idiotic venom.”

    Translation: You’re unable to factually refute one word from me.

  35. I did. Let’s talk about “no documentation of Jews as terrorists” boils down to FALSE, Actually you said no Jews ever targeted civilians for political or religious ideology. False. Starting in the book of Joshua, you remember Joshua, right?
    Joshua fit the battle of jericho, jericho jeriicho
    Joshua fit the battle of Jericho
    and the walls come tumblin’ down…

    And once the walls were down they slaughtered everybody in Jericho. including infants. And that’s just a start. Now, you could say as many non-Jews and non-Christians and even a few who ARE Jews or Christians that the Book of Joshua is faked.

    That would immediately cut out any legitimacy for the claims of Israel to statehood, and especially in the Jordan River area.

    See, the entire Bible is filled with an enormous, ongoing, centuries long Jew on Jew crime spree. All of the stories of the Old and New Testaments tell you “see how these guys did it? They had the Law, they knew better, and kept breaking it anywiay”. The Book of Judges, had a lot of Jews-smite-their-cousins the sons of Esau and Lot, and of course the Philistine and Hittite and Egyptian invasions, pretty much a running theme… but the stronger theme is Jews smiting Jews. And the horrendous shit they did to the Philistines, pale in comparison to what they did to each other.

    Documented. The scribes who put the books together bent over sideways trying to put a positive spin on it, much like your efforts for IDF and for their allies like the “Global War On Terror” liars, murderers and thieves… Only they were a bit more proficient in doing it.
    Lose the documentation, you lose the entire raison-d’etre for Likud and the modern state of Israel.

    So you take the documentation available and live with it, or you take it and die with it, or you simply ignore it and have no case in the first place. It’s not that difficult a concept.

    The scribes who wrote of King David did so in living memory, meaning when his son Solomon was king. Solomon wasn’t the type to piss off by calling his mom an adulteress, which by the way is a capital offense, and tried not to piss him off by mentioning that Dear Old Dad had his mom’s first husband offed.

    If the modern scribes who cheerlead for Likud and IDF were half that proficient, who knows? Bibi put in place as the next Moses, maybe? A messiah?

    Just as you, Nonie, dismiss any documentation from sources you feel might be hostile to IDF and the GWOT Liars, Murderers and Thieves, we can dismiss your documentation, especially since yours is entirely from people who have an interest in covering their own blood-guilt and their own War Crimes, like the British Colonel you mentioned. The one who kills Iraqi and Afghani BABIES for the benefit of Corporate Assholes who started the wars based on LIES.
    Not exactly a reliable source. It would be like asking Hitler to write the official history of World War 2, a job he actually anticipated having.

    Which once more brings us back to the subject of this post.
    The bomb as described wouldn’t fire. We know this because the fuses from the firecrackers, ignited by a huge Toy Clock, had to have sparks. Open Flame. If there had been gaseous propane or octane in the atmosphere in and around the car it would have exploded, rather violently.

    That means the gasoline cans and propane bottles were either EMPTY, or filled with the liquid versions of the fuels.

    The liquid would not explode. Shooting a cars gas tank and blowing up the car, happens in Hollywood movies, but in order to get the effect they put Tri-nitro-toluol (TNT) or some similar chemical around the place where the gas tank used to be and detonating it. Because Liquid gasoline doesn’t actually detonate.

    If you’re too lazy to join IDF and learn from THEIR Terrorist Bomb-makers, you could google “special effects explosives” and get some quick tutorials.

    A bomb designed by somebody who is called an Explosives Expert and doesn’t explode, nope. Not if it were anything like it’s described.

    That means the description was a LIE. That means the description of Fiasal as a Bomber and Terrorist who actually wanted to detonate a bomb, and as an Engineer who also studied bomb-making at a Taliban school, Nope Again.

    That’s two lies, would you want to make it more?

    If you’rre Jewish, Say Shibboleth. If you’re not and don’t know the meaning of that, it’s in the Book of Judges and you should look it up. A bunch of Jewish Babies and other older Jewish People, were slaughtered by… Jewish Terrorists. The history of Israel either starts in Iraq with Abram, thousands of years ago, or it started in 1948 and that would show Israel to not be valid.

    If you don’t accept the first the latter means nothing, religiously, and it would make the Modern State an absolute Terrorist State worse than the Nazis. Take your pick.

    Back to the Times Square Bomber, all the evidence suggests a setup, and none of the statements of any of the participants adds up to Science.

  36. “Back to the Times Square Bomber, all the evidence suggests a setup, and none of the statements of any of the participants adds up to Science.”

    Right, the idea of a Muslim attempting to commit jihaad is way too far-fetched. LOL

  37. Shoot, Nonie, I thought it was you Jews that were into the anti-Muslim Jihad (Let’s Get Iran!) and Grand Theft Larceny? But your heart is so full of love that I must be wrong! (Your approximate reply time will be 15-30 minutes from now, Automated Systems New Jersey.)

  38. “Shoot, Nonie, I thought it was you Jews that were into the anti-Muslim Jihad (Let’s Get Iran!) and Grand Theft Larceny? But your heart is so full of love that I must be wrong! (Your approximate reply time will be 15-30 minutes from now, Automated Systems New Jersey.)”

    You have it backwards. Iran is calling for jihaad against Israel…

    NY Times: Iran Wipe Israel Off The Map
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world/africa/26iht-iran.html?_r=1

  39. “If you don’t accept the first the latter means nothing, religiously, and it would make the Modern State an absolute Terrorist State worse than the Nazis. Take your pick.”

    Martin Luther King, Jr. was an avowed Zionist…
    “I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality. “

  40. Tiny little Israel without any real friends…. how they must tremble at the big bad Muslim conspiracy imanating from Iran, Nonie.

    As a woman, are you scared that some of these Muslim men might rape you? And since you are Jewish I believe, you are probably luscious, too.

    You should wear a burqa and cover up more, Nonie. As it is, we all now know your address the way you flaunt it so.! You should cover up more and keep those Muslim eyes from eating you alive with their primitive lust.

  41. “Tiny little Israel without any real friends…. how they must tremble at the big bad Muslim conspiracy imanating from Iran, Nonie. “

    The US is a real friend. Australia is a real friend. Italy is a real friend. India is a real friend.

    That’s 4 more friends than you have. Haha.

    “As a woman, are you scared that some of these Muslim men might rape you? And since you are Jewish I believe, you are probably luscious, too. “

    You are mentally ill.

    “You should wear a burqa and cover up more, Nonie. As it is, we all now know your address the way you flaunt it so.! You should cover up more and keep those Muslim eyes from eating you alive with their primitive lust.”

    Seek professional help. You’re severely disturbed.

  42. yeah, “friends” like the LYING coward pigs who set up the charade of a bomb designed to NOT explode. “friends” like the chickenhawk murderers George Bush, Richard Cheney, Karl Rove,

    “friends” who help Bibi murder fellow Israelis if they “get out of line”.
    Wonderful friends you have there.

    Oh, more “friends” Gordon Brown and Tony Blair, who came right out and boasted, not just “confessed” BOASTED that they, with the aid of IDF and Mossad, set up the Conquest of Iraq through the use of lies. Lies about what, exactly? Why, weapons of mass destruction, like the so-called “bomb” in Times Square.

    Mossad joined in the testimony that Iraq had a Million + pounds of nerve gas and other WMDs.

    But we’re “mentally ill” for pointing out that outrageous lie, and for further not accepting Israeli Official Reports, reports that are very obviously to cover up their guilt in the slaughter of Palestinian Civilians.

    See, not being able to tell the difference between Reality and Fantasy, that’s a component of a diagnosis of Insanity. Another is not being able to tell right from wrong.

    IDF, Mossad, Eric Holder, Department of Homeland Security, CIA and FBI and ATF and all them other Groovie Initials, they do know the truth, but refuse to acknowledge it. Instead they send you to call those of us who question their narrative. Since the narrative doesn’t match the Facts, such as Dead Palestinian Kids, No WMDs in Iraq, No evidence of collusion between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 attackers, AND, a series of very suspicious set-ups of people supposedly Highly Trained by al Qa’eda as “bomb experts”, including the last one who is a graduate of an American university with a degree in Engineering.
    To put forth the known facts vs The Narrative:

    One person attempts to make some very high profile purchases of large amounts of Nail Polish Remover using a credit card and posing for the security cameras while doing so. The ingredient in the nail polish remover that would be used to make a bomb would be more easily obtained at hardware stores, in a stronger solution, in gallon, three gallon, ten gallon and 55 gallon increments with no questions ever asked other than “are you over 18”. The fact is that any bomb-maker who has actual training in such things as fabricating the chemicals and the medium in which they’ll be deployed, would know that.
    If the person were a trained explosives agent and a terrorist trained to evade detection, he would have to be deliberately getting himself caught. How would that serve the purposes of al Qa’eda?

    For people to believe The Official Narrative, in that case alone, would benefit the Propagandists who insist that they’re winning the War on Terror, but their programs need to be continually funded.

    They have a monetary stake in it, in other words.

    The Christmas Panty “Bomber” and the Times Square “car bomber” were equally set up deliberately to FAIL.

    That’s Reality. The Times Square “bomber” did the same things the Panty Bomber and the Nail Polish Bomber did, putting on a really ham performance for the security cameras and practically wearing a sign saying “I’m going to try to blow shit up”.

    The Official Narrative, backed by IDF and M.I. 5 and M.I. 6, JUST LIKE THE IRAQI WMD Bald Faced LIES were backed up, and we were told that they were “valid Intelligence”… veers as sharply from the truth as the Iraqi Invasion narrative did.

    We were told in advance by the principle players of getting the “patriot” Act put into law, and the Iraq Invasion and an eventual invasion of Iran, again with the help of Accusations Of Weapons Of Mass Destruction, we were told by these people that they WOULD lie to us and that we, the American People, would be Stupid Enough to believe them.

    But we’re “CRAZY” to not believe people who swore in advance to lie to us.

    See, Nonie, I believe you know what the truth is, and choose deliberately to Lie. I could call you Crazy or Stupid but that would exculpate you of that Outrageous Sin against G-D Himself.

    You compound your sin by knowing full well that it’s not righteous, and doing so anyway. You, sir or madame, are of the Synagogue of Satan.

    Your team demanded that Saddam Hussein PROVE that he had no WMDs, and even after it was proven that he didn’t, by the very Liars who made the charges in the first place, (Brown, Rove, Blair, Cheney… ) (…Netanyahu…) the Official Narrative is that they were the reason for the Invasion and Occupation.

    So, let’s judge with equal measures, yes? Judge by Leviticus.
    It would be up to YOU and your comrades-in-lies to PROVE any of your statements. And not by making further statements from sources who would be hanged as War Criminals.

    Perhaps that’s the reason you kept going back to the “mentally ill” accusation against any who speak against The Official Narrative?

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