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Tea Party soldiers attempt military coup of OCS, want Occupy to be more like occupations of Iraq & Afghanistan

ONLY IN COLORADO SPRINGS! (SPOILER: OCCUDRAMA ALERT)–
Not satisfied with heckling the OCS antiwar rally on Saturday, some “berserkers” from Fort Carson’s 4/4 2/12 regiment thought they’d march on the Occupy events committee meeting Monday and vote to make OCS more like their occupation stints in Iraq and Afghanistan, more pro-killer and all. Or vote OCS out of existence. Cute, as they pretend to uphold everybody’s freedom, etc. Apparently the soldiers were following the directions of Right Wing Youtube slackupier Agent Snuffleupagus Doubt, who promised to reopen his faux-occupy website for their coup, as if maintaining the fake OCS Facebook group wasn’t anti-occupy enough. True to idiotic form, Doubt’s plan was to overwhelm the democratic nature of OCS, forgetting to caution his winged monkeys about embarrassing mechanisms which protect OWS groups from malicious disruptions, many of his troops face disciplinary probation, for starters. But for Agent Duh it’s enough to videotape a flash-blob declaring itself king of OCS, and it’s done. Emboldened by this virtual occupy, next Mastermind Duh will probably scheme to send Republican operatives to crash the Democratic Caucuses, vote them all Republican, and steal their delegates for Ron Paul! What a plan!

BTW Commander Dumbass, how can someone who hasn’t attended Occupy meetings in months, someone who has publicly declared himself on repeated occasions to have left Occupy, and someone who has often acted in league with public attackers of Occupy, PRETEND to tell people what are its bylaws? Critics of democracy movements accuse proponents of advocating mob rule, and so you’ve confused democracy for your own caricature? I suppose you think if the minister of First Prez wanted to convert Occupy, he could march enough of his flock down to Acacia and vote OCS into his denomination. That logic may wash with Ft Carson boys, and your Youtube viewership, but it’s not going to cut it with real people. Are you kidding me with your inanity?

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Comment from Brittany   (IP: 75.163.129.15)
Time: March 6, 2012, 6:13 am

You knowyou got voted out eric funny thing i invested more time in OCS than FRG meetings. which I never been to by the way.There was three soldiers there that would have been apart of occupy until you started your whole little anti-troop thing. Occupations everywhere have always opened there doors to the armed forces, Actually one soldier that was there was at a wal mart protest. I almost joined the navy why? It was not to go and kill people like you think everyone in the military does. It was to save people. I was going to be a nurse, save soldiers and civilians alike. You got voted out and people want the occupation back. The one you burned down. So we can get back to being in sync with OWS and not anti war all the time. It seems every protest you guys stage has something to do with the military being wrong. You would be one of those people who protest military funerals and i honestly see you doing it. Just remember as I tried to say last night before you cut me off to say everything I said was wrong. No matter if we form a new government, every government needs a standing military. Its 5 am Eric are you nice and warm in bed, cause I am awake kissing my husband goodbye for work. One of the saddest songs is played at 9 pm every night on fort carson, its the taps, every time I hear that song and remember the fallen, it makes me wonder why these brave men and women fought and died for people like you and tony who don’t show any respect for them? It makes me wonder how you can sit there and call everyone in OCS a family member the way its supposed to be, yet say to everyone troops kill children, in front of my daughter call her father the man she adores so much, white trash, a baby killer. That is not part of being a community. It looks very bad actually to the whole colorado springs community, when your downtown holding signs saying, troops kill kids. There was no bribe for anyone to want to take OCS back, it was just the right thing to do.

Comment from Tony Logan   (IP: 63.231.102.6)
Time: March 6, 2012, 8:47 am

Actually, Occupy CS is next building an event in support of everybody being able to get Medical Care when it is needed, something the American people do not now have. Hope to see you there, Brittany. As a potential future nurse I am sure that the issue of Universal Health Coverage for all Americans must be of interest to you.

Comment from Jeremy   (IP: 75.163.129.15)
Time: March 6, 2012, 8:54 am

We actually support that movement all people have the right to health care…its sad when the vehicles in this nation is better protected then human beings….

Comment from Tony Logan   (IP: 63.231.102.6)
Time: March 6, 2012, 9:07 am

I’m glad that there is common cause on this one issue at least, Jeremy.

Comment from Impartial Observer   (IP: 75.70.196.172)
Time: March 6, 2012, 9:49 am

This is pathetic and funny at the same time. Hope someone has it on video. “Occudrama”? The most press that I have see Occupy get is with Kyle. Now a coup? How much more political CAN this get?

Comment from Tony Logan   (IP: 63.231.102.6)
Time: March 6, 2012, 11:05 am

I wouldn’t call it an effort at a ‘coup’ so much, as simply that a group of self declared Republican voter types came into a coffee shop where Occupy CS sometimes has meetings, and told some few of us drinking coffee and eating pastries there at the time that they were voting people out of CS Occupy, even though that really is not the way Occupy functions at all.

Simply put, nobody can run others out of Occupy just at the snap of their fingers. Republican leaning members cannot run off Democratic Party leaning folk out of Occupy, and vice versa neither. Nor can those who think both parties dead ends run off those who don’t think that, nor vice versa either.

Which brings us back the Saturday Occupy event and the counter protest to it. To those counter protesters that shouted out to me last Saturday (and there were at least 5-6 people who did that) that I should leave the US and go live in China, I bet you wish you were dictators like that and could just order others around like they were puppets without any Rights? But society don’t work that way anymore. The days when the KKK were allowed to strut around nonstop in such manner are long gone for good. Too bad you want to force us backwards like that.

Comment from Impartial Observer   (IP: 75.70.196.172)
Time: March 6, 2012, 11:15 am

Mr Logan, It was Mr. Verlo that referred to it as a “coup”. I have been doing some research about other Occupy movements. It appears they are run by a majority vote as what you call “GA’s”. Should an opposing group attend your GA’s and be the ruling majority, what choices does that leave you?

Comment from Tony Logan   (IP: 63.231.102.6)
Time: March 6, 2012, 12:04 pm

The basic problem organizationally for the Occupy Movement around the world, is that multiple political ideologies have tended to surf ride the Movement at one time or the other for their own political gain. In Colorado Springs, we have seen the Zeitgeist Movement initially doing just that, and now we see some very reactionary Tea Bag types once again trying to take the local Occupy over in order basically to try to kick others out, and then do just exactly what with the group? That they are not very clear about, since mainly these dissenting folk have mainly focused on expressing their own personal hatreds and dislikes of other people more Left leaning than themselves who are in Occupy.

The Zeitgeist people more or less left on their own from CS Occupy once the city revoked the permit down at Acacia Park. And many of the vote Ron Paul activists have also taken perhaps temporary leave??? to focus on Ron Paul, and not Occupy itself. So that has left a more rabidly Right Wing group focused on being soldier grunt class at Fort Carson, who adore slinging personal nastiness at those who they now see as being only ‘anti soldier’, since many of us do not share their love of going off and fighting wars for the 1%. They are angry with us because they want more ‘respect’ given to the US government war machine, and the pro war troops who make that force up..

YES, votes are good when people do not try to merely run one group off and install another group in, but actually are used to decide tactics and issues to concentrate activities on. When a vote that does such a divisive thing as try to shun others out of Occupy does occur, then you end up with factionalism all over the place, and that is bad for the Movement as a whole. Unfortunately I think that the local Occupy CS is headed in that direction, simply because so many are so determined that it be that way.

I personally have a desire to find all commonality with any and all in Occupy, but cannot simply just sit back while one group of mainly Right Wing Republican soldier types tries to totally shut people up who disagree with them on basic Movement issues of war and peace. This is not a Movement to further promote respect for structures of the 1% security and policing apparatus, but to do just exactly the opposite of that.

Comment from jeremy   (IP: 72.244.35.122)
Time: March 6, 2012, 12:57 pm

Tony the truth is you were voted out eric was voted out the occupation does not want either of u

Comment from Eric   (IP: 75.70.74.252)
Time: March 6, 2012, 1:06 pm

Cute Jeremy, but this isn’t SURVIVOR, and as YOU’ve sworn to “burn occupy to the ground” you’re hardly someone who OCS members can trust with its future.

Comment from Jeremy   (IP: 75.163.129.15)
Time: March 6, 2012, 2:19 pm

Then how come ocs came together and told you to go….they didnt tell me you told me but the people didnt they told you

Comment from censored benfranklin   (IP: 75.163.144.125)
Time: March 6, 2012, 2:59 pm

jeremy,why are you and other “occupiers” censoring me on ocs community page?you dont want the rest of the people to know the truth?or what i have to say?are you all exposed and now you want to save face?and try to make it look like eric and tony are the only problems?i hear no real answers just more stalling and misdirection from you and other “occupiers” do you really think that all the people will fall for this bs?eric verlo,tony logan,patrick jay, lone wolfe aka ryan king,raven martinez,micheal clifton aka agentofdoubt,jason warf,hosisen forouzandeh,kristie wheleer,joel aigner.meg fossinger are people to be leery of or not to be trusted and anybody associated with them. these people have exposed themselves to be suspiciously questionable.by their actions and comments and their behavior.its not just eric and tony.unblock me from osc or this cloud of suspicion will grow.

Comment from Raven   (IP: 64.134.151.48)
Time: March 6, 2012, 3:58 pm

Eric and Tony, you claim to be peace activist, yet you continue to wage war on the very men and women who defend your right to do so, why?

The brave men and women who make up the U.S Troops defend our rights abroad, they very least I could do is defend them here at home!

One last piece of information, U.S Troops, Law Enforcement Officers, FireFighters, and Emergency Responders are all apart of the 99% you claim to represent! Where do you think you would be without a U.S Military? (Considering how many people you piss off and betray) where do you think you would be without Law Enforcement patroling the streets? What would you do if your place went up in flames, would you call the Fire Dept? So why then, do you continue to bash those you KNOW make it possible for you to live here in the U.S???

Comment from censored benfranklin   (IP: 75.163.144.125)
Time: March 6, 2012, 4:04 pm

raven,why are you and other “occupiers” censoring me on ocs community page?you dont want the rest of the people to know the truth?or what i have to say?are you all exposed and now you want to save face?and try to make it look like eric and tony are the only problems?i hear no real answers just more stalling and misdirection from you and other “occupiers” do you really think that all the people will fall for this bs?eric verlo,tony logan,patrick jay, lone wolfe aka ryan king,raven martinez,micheal clifton aka agentofdoubt,jason warf,hosisen forouzandeh,kristie wheleer,joel aigner.meg fossinger are people to be leery of or not to be trusted and anybody associated with them. these people have exposed themselves to be suspiciously questionable.by their actions and comments and their behavior.its not just eric and tony.unblock me from osc or this cloud of suspicion will grow.

Comment from Jeremy   (IP: 75.163.129.15)
Time: March 6, 2012, 4:50 pm

ben they dont admin the page

Comment from Jeremy   (IP: 75.163.129.15)
Time: March 6, 2012, 5:26 pm

I am also censored as well

Comment from Impartial Observer   (IP: 75.70.196.172)
Time: March 6, 2012, 6:12 pm

Again…the point is lost in my question. Who is the leader of OCS and by what right? A majority vote? And please – spare me that this is a leaderless movement when there are clearly people jockeying over rights of “the movement”.

Comment from censored benfranklin   (IP: 75.163.144.125)
Time: March 6, 2012, 6:29 pm

it should be a leaderfull movement and every one should be a leader this “leaderless” movement saying was adopted to take the power away from the people.they are voted in to a position eg treasurer,timekeeper,yada yada and if they violate policy they are removed from the position not kicked out.but none of them follow policy is what it looks like to me the whole lot of them!read my comments to get a better idea.

Comment from Impartial Observer   (IP: 75.70.196.172)
Time: March 6, 2012, 7:32 pm

I do not get a “better idea” from your comments or anyone else. It will fall on you or the editor to explain.

Comment from censored benfranklin   (IP: 75.163.144.125)
Time: March 6, 2012, 7:51 pm

read this article 1st and comments.

http://notmytribe.com/2012/did-kyle-lawrence-represent-occupy-cs-as-its-attention-hangers-on-assert-830822.html

and this article 2nd and comments.

http://notmytribe.com/2012/four-occupy-tormentors-unmasked-830920.html
sorry i should of been more specific.

Comment from Impartial Observer   (IP: 75.70.196.172)
Time: March 6, 2012, 7:57 pm

Ben … looks like you are not censored when it is convenient.

Comment from censored benfranklin   (IP: 75.163.144.125)
Time: March 6, 2012, 8:05 pm

also check out the face book page occupy colorado springs group.occupy colorado springs.the censorship was referance to being banned out of the ocs group page.and i thought i was being censored here but im just technologically illetarate among other things.

Comment from censored benfranklin   (IP: 75.163.144.125)
Time: March 6, 2012, 8:07 pm

“looks like you are not censored when it is convenient”.agreed..

Comment from Impartial Observer   (IP: 75.70.196.172)
Time: March 6, 2012, 8:57 pm

Are you fucking serious?

Comment from Raven   (IP: 75.163.144.190)
Time: March 6, 2012, 11:41 pm

Ben Franklin: I do not currently, nor have I for sometime, had admin priviledges on any of the Occupy Colorado Springs sites; not the OCS Community page on FB, the OCS Group page on FB, or the OccupyCsprings.org site, therefore I am not able to censor anyone. The current admins on the OCS Community page and the OccupyCSprings.org sites are Patrick Jay, Eric Verlo, and Lorena Drapeau. Admins on the OCS Group page are annonymous. But I would like to hear a little more on why you claim that I am “not to be trusted”?

Comment from censored benfranklin   (IP: 75.163.144.125)
Time: March 7, 2012, 3:12 pm

raven read my comment on this blog.
http://notmytribe.com/2012/colorado-springs-occupy-saved-from-the-haters-occudrama-the-final-act-831173.html
you can also check it out on the ocs facebook main page.

Comment from Jeremy   (IP: 75.163.129.15)
Time: March 8, 2012, 9:27 pm

Have you seen the news? if not here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riOcpFjSW1k&feature=youtu.be lol

Comment from Tony Logan   (IP: 63.231.102.6)
Time: March 8, 2012, 11:03 pm

Jeremy, you are spamming up the blog with multiple posts with the absolute same content. Do it again, and blocked off the blog NMT you might well be taken…. First Warning…

Comment from jeremy   (IP: 75.163.129.15)
Time: March 8, 2012, 11:40 pm

Block me then tony you won’t do it….bc u know you love this…but tony don’t ever bring up my kid…and can we plz argue about something else the whole hating soldiers thing is old…write something else so we can debate and argue

Comment from jeremy   (IP: 75.163.129.15)
Time: March 8, 2012, 11:44 pm

Like how india and china are about to go to war

Comment from Tony Logan   (IP: 63.231.102.6)
Time: March 9, 2012, 12:18 am

What makes you think that China and India are about to go to war, Jeremy?

BTW, I think your kid is cute and I wish you, your wife, and your kid all the best as a family. If we could talk about other issues other than military, etc. that is fine with me.

Did you like the link to the video I last put up about ‘The Matrix’ alienation sort of thing? The eery music with it and all?

Comment from Jeremy   (IP: 75.163.129.15)
Time: March 9, 2012, 5:36 am

ya i did i had seen it before but it had been a while….and thats what im hearing is that china and russia are on the brink

Comment from Tony Logan   (IP: 63.231.102.6)
Time: March 9, 2012, 11:28 am

I don’t think so, Jeremy. Perhaps you are thinking about the conflict that rises up from time to time between Pakistan and India?

Comment from Eric   (IP: 75.70.74.252)
Time: March 9, 2012, 11:50 am

Pakis, Chinks, are all the same to someone who hasn’t been outside Redneckistan. Except tours of duty to blow up rural villages and shoot 5-year-old boys.

Comment from Jeremy   (IP: 75.163.129.15)
Time: March 9, 2012, 12:25 pm

Eric funny thats coming from you…since you do have bomb making instructions on here….and also its funny that you can come out of your Nazi world and talk to me…hows it feel knowing your family sided with the nazis?….makes you feel good your family was killing all those jews and everyone else…while my family help rescue them…go back to norway you nazi….

Comment from Jeremy   (IP: 75.163.129.15)
Time: March 9, 2012, 12:28 pm

oh ya Eric are you rasicts to? calling the chinese chinks? damn your the racist redneck…

Comment from Tony Logan   (IP: 63.231.102.6)
Time: March 9, 2012, 2:42 pm

The Mr, RESPECT us trailer trash crowd once again telling Americans to leave the country as if they owned it. ….lol…. You don’t though, Jeremy. The 1% do. You’re just their servant.

Comment from jeremy   (IP: 75.163.129.15)
Time: March 9, 2012, 4:20 pm

Tony for your info I’m less then one percent me and anyone else in thr armed forces…I’m done with thus tony if you are to…eric is my focus…but tony if you want to keep debating that’s kool just something besides the same damn thing…I’m not telling you to get out tony I’ve never have…but when me and you are talking and eric sticks his shit in then yes I’m gonna call him out…tony your just fun to debate with…its eric that’s a total asshole and makes you look bad…

Comment from Tony Logan   (IP: 63.231.102.6)
Time: March 9, 2012, 4:35 pm

Does your commanding officer know where his little thug kids are and what they are doing, Jeremy? Stop stalking me, stop stalking this web site, and take your stupid Tea Bag hates elsewhere.

Comment from Eric   (IP: 75.70.74.252)
Time: March 9, 2012, 11:07 pm

OK enough with the threats, buhbye Jeremy