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June 18, 1969

Bernadine Dohrn addresses S.D.S. in ChicagoSubmitted by Karin Asbley, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, John Jacobs, Jeff Jones, Gerry Long, Home Machtinger, Jim Mellen, Terry Robbins, Mark Rudd and Steve Tappis.

I. International Revolution

The contradiction between the revolutionary peoples of Asia, Africa and Latin America and the imperialists headed by the United States is the principal contradiction in the contemporary world. The development of this contradiction is promoting the struggle of the people of the whole world against US imperialism and its lackeys.

Lin Piao, Long Live the Victory of People’s War!

People ask, what is the nature of the revolution that we talk about- Who will it be made by, and for, and what are its goals and strategy-

The overriding consideration in answering these questions is that the main struggle going on in the world today is between US imperialism and the national liberation struggles against it. This is essential in defining political matters in the whole world: because it is by far the most powerful, every other empire and petty dictator is in the long run dependent on US imperialism, which has unified, allied with, and defended all of the reactionary forces of the whole world. Thus, in considering every other force or phenomenon, from Soviet imperialism or Israeli imperialism to “workers struggle” in France or Czechoslovakia, we determine who are our friends and who are our enemies according to whether they help US imperialism or fight to defeat it.

So the very first question people in this country must ask in considering the question of revolution is where they stand in relation to the United States as an oppressor nation, and where they stand in relation to the masses of people throughout the world whom US imperialism is oppressing.

The primary task of revolutionary struggle is to solve this principal contradiction on the side of the people of the world. It is the oppressed peoples of the world who have created the wealth of this empire and it is to them that it belongs; the goal of the revolutionary struggle must be the control and use of this wealth in the interests of the oppressed peoples of the world.

It is in this context that we must examine the revolutionary struggles in the United States. We are within the heartland of a worldwide monster, a country so rich from its worldwide plunder that even the crumbs doled out to the enslaved masses within its borders provide for material existence very much above the conditions of the masses of people of the world. The US empire, as a worldwide system, channels wealth, based upon the labor and resources of the rest of the world, into the United States. The relative affluence existing in the United States is directly dependent upon the labor and natural resources of the Vietnamese, the Angolans, the Bolivians and the rest of the peoples of the Third World. All of the United Airlines Astrojets, all of the Holiday Inns, all of Hertz’s automobiles, your television set, car and wardrobe already belong, to a large degree to the people of the rest of the world.

Therefore, any conception of “socialist revolution” simply in terms of the working people of the United States, failing to recognize the full scope of interests of the most oppressed peoples of the world, is a conception of a fight for a particular privileged interest, and is a very dangerous ideology. While the control and use of the wealth of the Empire for the people of the whole world is also in the interests of the vast majority of the people in this country, if the goal is not clear from the start we will further the preservation of class society, oppression, war, genocide, and the complete emiseration of everyone, including the people of the US.

The goal is the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism. Winning state power in the US will occur as a result of the military forces of the US overextending themselves around the world and being defeated piecemeal; struggle within the US will be a vital part of this process, but when the revolution triumphs in the US it will have been made by the people of the whole world. For socialism to be defined in national terms within so extreme and historical an oppressor nation as this is only imperialist national chauvinism on the part of the “movement.”

II. What Is The Black Colony-

Not every colony of people oppressed by imperialism lies outside the boundaries of the US. Black people within North America, brought here 400 years ago as slaves and whose labor, as slaves, built this country, are an internal colony within the confines of the oppressor nation. What this means is that black people are oppressed as a whole people, in the institutions and social relations of the country, apart from simply the consideration of their class position, income, skill, etc., as individuals- What does this colony look like- What is the basis for its common oppression and why is it important-

One historically important position has been that the black colony only consists of the black belt nation in the South, whose fight for national liberation is based on a common land, culture, history and economic life. The corollary of this position is that black people in the rest of the country are a national minority but not actually part of the colony themselves; so the struggle for national liberation is for the black belt, and not all blacks; black people in the north, not actually part of the colony, are part of the working class of the white oppressor nation. In this formulation northern black workers have a “dual role”—one an interest in supporting the struggle in the South, and opposing racism, as members of the national minority; and as northern “white nation” workers whose class interest is in integrated socialism in the north. The consistent version of this line actually calls for integrated organizing of black and white workers in the north along what it calls “class” lines.

This position is wrong; in reality, the black colony does not exist simply as the “black belt nation,” but exists in the country as a whole. The common oppression of black people and the common culture growing out of that history are not based historically or currently on their relation to the territory of the black belt, even though that has been a place of population concentration and has some very different characteristics than the north, particularly around the land question.

Rather, the common features of oppression, history and culture which unify black people as a colony (although originating historically in a common territory apart from the colonizers, i.e., Africa, not the South) have been based historically on their common position as slaves, which since the nominal abolition of slavery has taken the form of caste oppression, and oppression of black people as a people everywhere that they exist. A new black nation, different from the nations of Africa from which it came, has been forged by the common historical experience of importation and slavery and caste oppression; to claim that to be a nation it must of necessity now be based on a common national territory apart from the colonizing nation is a mechanical application of criteria which were and are applicable to different situations.

What is specifically meant by the term caste is that all black people, on the basis of their common slave history, common culture and skin color are systematically denied access to particular job categories (or positions within job categories), social position, etc., regardless of individual skills, talents, money or education. Within the working class, they are the most oppressed section; in the petit bourgeoisie, they are even more strictly confined to the lowest levels. Token exceptions aside, the specific content of this caste oppression is to maintain black people in the most exploitative and oppressive jobs and conditions. Therefore, since the lowest class is the working class, the black caste is almost entirely a caste of the working class, or [holds] positions as oppressed as the lower working-class positions (poor black petit bourgeoisie and farmers); it is a colonial labor caste,, a colony whose common national character itself is defined by their common class position.

Thus, northern blacks do not have a “dual interest”—as blacks on the one hand and “US-nation workers” on the other. They have a single class interest, along with all other black people in the US, as members of the Black Proletarian Colony.

III. The Struggle For Socialist Self-Determination

The struggle of black people—as a colony—is for self-determination, freedom, and liberation from US imperialism. Because blacks have been oppressed and held in an inferior social position as a people, they have a right to decide, organize and act on their common destiny as a people apart from white interference. Black self-determination does not simply apply to determination of their collective political destiny at some future time. It is directly tied to the fact that because all blacks experience oppression in a form that no whites do, no whites are in a position to fully understand and test from their own practice the real situation black people face and the necessary response to it. This is why it is necessary for black people to organize separately and determine their actions separately at each stage of the struggle.

It is important to understand the implications of this. It is not legitimate for whites to organizationally intervene in differences among revolutionary black nationalists. It would be arrogant for us to attack any black organization that defends black people and opposes imperialism in practice. But it is necessary to develop a correct understanding of the Black Liberation struggle within our own organization, where an incorrect one will further racist practice in our relations with the black movement.

In the history of some external colonies, such as China and Vietnam, the struggle for self-determination has had two stages: (1) a united front against imperialism and for New Democracy (which is a joint dictatorship of anti-colonial classes led by the proletariat, the content of which is a compromise between the interests of the proletariat and nationalist peasants, petit bourgeoisie and national bourgeoisie); and (2) developing out of the new democratic stage, socialism.

However, the black liberation struggle in this country will have only one “stage”; the struggle for self-determination will embody within it the struggle for socialism.

As Huey P. Newton has said, “In order to be a revolutionary nationalist, you would of necessity have to be a socialist.” This is because—given the caste quality of oppression-as-a-people-through-a-common-degree-of-exploitation—self-determination requires being free from white capitalist exploitation in the form of inferior (lower caste) jobs, housing, schools, hospitals, prices. In addition, only what was or became in practice a socialist program for self-determination—one which addressed itself to reversing this exploitation—could win the necessary active mass support in the “proletarian colony.”

The program of a united front for new democracy, on the other hand, would not be as thorough, and so would not win as active and determined support from the black masses. The only reason for having such a front would be where the independent petit bourgeois forces which it would bring in would add enough strength to balance the weakening of proletarian backing. This is not the case: first, because much of the black petit bourgeoisie is actually a “comprador” petit bourgeoisie (like so-called black capitalists who are promoted by the power structure to seem independent but are really agents of white monopoly capital), who would never fight as a class for any real self-determination; and secondly, because many black petit bourgeoisie, perhaps most, while not having a class interest in socialist self-determination, are close enough to the black masses in the oppression and limitations on their conditions that they will support many kinds of self-determination issues, and, especially when the movement is winning, can be won to support full (socialist) self-determination. For the black movement to work to maximize this support from the petit bourgeoisie is correct; but it is in no way a united front where it is clear that the Black Liberation Movement should not and does not modify the revolutionary socialist content of its stand to win that support.

From /New Left Notes/, June 18, 1969

IV. Black Liberation Means Revolution

What is the relationship of the struggle for black self-determination to the whole worldwide revolution to defeat US imperialism and internationalize its resources toward the goal of creating a classless world-

No black self-determination could be won which would not result in a victory for the international revolution as a whole. The black proletarian colony, being dispersed as such a large and exploited section of the work force, is essential to the survival of imperialism. Thus, even if the black liberation movement chose to try to attain self-determination in the form of a separate country (a legitimate part of the right to self-determination), existing side by side with the US, imperialism could not survive if they won it—and so would never give up without being defeated. Thus, a revolutionary nationalist movement could not win without destroying the state power of the imperialists; and it is for this reason that the black liberation movement, as a revolutionary nationalist movement for self-determination, is automatically in and of itself an inseparable part of the whole revolutionary struggle against US imperialism and for international socialism.

However, the fact that black liberation depends on winning the whole revolution does not mean that it depends on waiting for and joining with a mass white movement to do it. The genocidal oppression of black people must be ended, and does not allow any leisure time to wait; if necessary, black people could win self-determination, abolishing the whole imperialist system and seizing state power to do it, without this white movement, although the cost among whites and blacks both would be high.

Blacks could do it alone if necessary because of their centralness to the system, economically and geo-militarily, and because of the level of unity, commitment, and initiative which will be developed in waging a people’s war for survival and national liberation. However, we do not expect that they will have to do it alone, not only because of the international situation, but also because the real interests of masses of oppressed whites in this country lie with the Black Liberation struggle, and the conditions for understanding and fighting for these interests grow with the deepening of the crises. Already, the black liberation movement has carried with it an upsurge of revolutionary consciousness among white youth; and while there are no guarantees, we can expect that this will extend and deepen among all oppressed whites.

To put aside the possibility of blacks winning alone leads to the racist position that blacks should wait for whites and are dependent on whites acting for them to win. Yet the possibility of blacks winning alone cannot in the least be a justification for whites failing to shoulder the burden of developing a revolutionary movement among whites. If the first error is racism by holding back black liberation, this would be equally racist by leaving blacks isolated to take on the whole fight—and the whole cost—for everyone.

It is necessary to defeat both racist tendencies: (1) that blacks shouldn’t go ahead with making the revolution, and (2) that blacks should go ahead alone with making it. The only third path is to build a white movement which will support the blacks in moving as fast as they have to and are able to, and still itself keep up with that black movement enough so that white revolutionaries share the cost and the blacks don’t have to do the whole thing alone. Any white who does not follow this third path is objectively following one of the other two (or both) and is objectively racist.

V. Anti-Imperialist Revolution And The United Front

Since the strategy for defeating imperialism in semi-feudal colonies has two stages, the new democratic stage of a united front to throw out imperialism and then the socialist stage, some people suggest two stages for the US too—one to stop imperialism, the anti-imperialist stage, and another to achieve the dictatorship of the proletariat, the socialist stage. It is no accident that even the proponents of this idea can’t tell you what it means. In reality, imperialism is a predatory international stage of capitalism. Defeating imperialism within the US couldn’t possibly have the content, which it could in a semi-feudal country, of replacing imperialism with capitalism or new democracy; when imperialism is defeated in the US, it will be replaced by socialism—nothing else. One revolution, one replacement process, one seizure of state power—the anti-imperialist revolution and the socialist revolution, one and the same stage. To talk of this as two separate stages, the struggle to overthrow imperialism and the struggle for socialist revolution, is as crazy as if Marx had talked about the proletarian socialist revolution as a revolution of two stages, one the overthrow of capitalist state power, and second the establishment of socialist state power.

Along with no two stages, there is no united front with the petit bourgeoisie, because its interests as a class aren’t for replacing imperialism with socialism. As far as people within this country are concerned, the international war against imperialism is the same task as the socialist revolution, for one overthrow of power here. There is no “united front” for socialism here.

One reason people have considered the “united front” idea is the fear that if we were talking about a one-stage socialist revolution we would fail to organize maximum possible support among people, like some petit bourgeoisie, who would fight imperialism on a particular issue, but weren’t for revolution. When the petit bourgeoisie’s interest is for fighting imperialism on a particular issue, but not for overthrowing it and replacing it with socialism, it is still contributing to revolution to that extent—not to some intermediate thing which is not imperialism and not socialism. Someone not for revolution is not for actually defeating imperialism either, but we still can and should unite with them on particular issues. But this is not a united front (and we should not put forth some joint “united front” line with them to the exclusion of our own politics), because their class position isn’t against imperialism as a system. In China, or Vietnam, the petit bourgeoisie’s class interests could be for actually winning against imperialism; this was because their task was driving it out, not overthrowing its whole existence. For us here, “throwing it out” means not from one colony, but all of them, throwing it out of the world, the same thing as overthrowing it.

VI. International Strategy

What is the strategy of this international revolutionary movement- What are the strategic weaknesses of the imperialists which make it possible for us to win- Revolutionaries around the world are in general agreement on the answer, which Lin Piao describes in the following way:

US imperialism is stronger, but also more vulnerable, than any imperialism of the past. It sets itself against the people of the whole world, including the people of the United States. Its human, military, material and financial resources are far from sufficient for the realization of its ambition of domination over the whole world. US imperialism has further weakened itself by occupying so many places in the world, overreaching itself, stretching its fingers out wide and dispersing its strength, with its rear so far away and its supply lines so long.

—/Long Live the Victory of People’s War/

The strategy which flows from this is what Ché called “creating two, three, many Vietnams”—to mobilize the struggle so sharply in so many places that the imperialists cannot possibly deal with it all. Since it is essential to their interests, they will try to deal with it all, and will be defeated and destroyed in the process.

In defining and implementing this strategy, it is clear that the vanguard (that is, the section of the people who are in the forefront of the struggle and whose class interests and needs define the terms and tasks of the revolution) of the “American Revolution” is the workers and oppressed peoples of the colonies of Asia, Africa and Latin America. Because of the level of special oppression of black people as a colony, they reflect the interests of the oppressed people of the world from within the borders of the United States; they are part of the Third World and part of the international revolutionary vanguard.

The vanguard role of the Vietnamese and other Third World countries in defeating US imperialism has been clear to our movement for some time. What has not been so clear is the vanguard role black people have played, and continue to play, in the development of revolutionary consciousness and struggle within the United States. Criticisms of the black liberation struggle as being “reactionary” or of black organizations on campus as being conservative or “racist” very often express this lack of understanding. These ideas are incorrect and must be defeated if a revolutionary movement is going to be built among whites.

The black colony, due to its particular nature as a slave colony, never adopted a chauvinist identification with America as an imperialist power, either politically or culturally. Moreover, the history of black people in America has consistently been one of the greatest overall repudiations of and struggle against the state. From the slave ships from Africa to the slave revolts, the Civil War, etc., black people have been waging a struggle for survival and liberation. In the history of our own movement this has also been the case: the civil rights struggles, initiated and led by blacks in the South; the rebellions beginning with Harlem in 1964 and Watts in 1965 through Detroit and Newark in 1967; the campus struggles at all-black schools in the South and struggles led by blacks on campuses all across the country. As it is the blacks—along with the Vietnamese and other Third World people—who are most oppressed by US imperialism, their class interests are most solidly and resolutely committed to waging revolutionary struggle through to its completion. Therefore it is no surprise that time and again, in both political content and level of consciousness and militancy, it has been the black liberation movement which has upped the ante and defined the terms of the struggle.

What is the relationship of this “black vanguard” to the “many Vietnams” around the world- Obviously this is an example of our strategy that different fronts reinforce each other. The fact that the Vietnamese are winning weakens the enemy, advancing the possibilities for the black struggle, etc. But it is important for us to understand that the interrelationship is more than this. Black people do not simply “choose” to intensify their struggle because they want to help the Vietnamese, or because they see that Vietnam heightens the possibilities for struggle here. The existence of any one Vietnam, especially a winning one, spurs on others not only through consciousness and choice, but through need, because it is a political and economic, as well as military, weakening of capitalism, and this means that to compensate, the imperialists are forced to intensify their oppression of other people.

Thus the loss of China and Cuba and the loss now of Vietnam not only encourages other oppressed peoples (such as the blacks) by showing what the alternative is and that it can be won, but also costs the imperialists billions of dollars which they then have to take out of the oppression of these other peoples. Within this country increased oppression falls heavier on the most oppressed sections of the population, so that the condition of all workers is worsened through rising taxes, inflation and the fall of real wages, and speedup. But this increased oppression falls heaviest on the most oppressed, such as poor white workers and, especially, the blacks, for example through the collapse of state services like schools, hospitals and welfare, which naturally hits the hardest at those most dependent on them.

This deterioration pushes people to fight harder to even try to maintain their present level. The more the ruling class is hurt in Vietnam, the harder people will be pushed to rebel and to fight for reforms. Because there exist successful models of revolution in Cuba, Vietnam, etc., these reform struggles will provide a continually larger and stronger base for revolutionary ideas. Because it needs to maximize profits by denying the reforms, and is aware that these conditions and reform struggles will therefore lead to revolutionary consciousness, the ruling class will see it more and more necessary to come down on any motion at all, even where it is not yet highly organized or conscious. It will come down faster on black people, because their oppression is increasing fastest, and this makes their rebellion most thorough and most dangerous, and fastest growing. It is because of this that the vanguard character and role of the black liberation struggle will be increased and intensified, rather than being increasingly equal to and merged into the situation and rebellion of oppressed white working people and youth. The crises of imperialism (the existence of Vietnam and especially that it’s winning) will therefore create a “Black Vietnam” within the US.

Given that black self-determination would mean fully crushing the power of the imperialists, this “Vietnam” has certain different characteristics than the external colonial wars. The imperialists will never “get out of the US” until their total strength and every resource they can bring to bear has been smashed; so the Black Vietnam cannot win without bringing the whole thing down and winning for everyone. This means that this war of liberation will be the most protracted and hardest fought of all.

It is in this context that the question of the South must be dealt with again, not as a question of whether or not the black nation, black colony, exists there, as opposed to in the North as well, but rather as a practical question of strategy and tactics: Can the black liberation struggle—the struggle of all blacks in the country—gain advantage in the actual war of liberation by concentrating on building base areas in the South in territory with a concentration of black population-

This is very clearly a different question than that of “where the colony is,” and to this question the “yes” answer is an important possibility. If the best potential for struggle in the South were realized, it is fully conceivable and legitimate that the struggle there could take on the character of a fight for separation; and any victories won in that direction would be important gains for the national liberation of the colony as a whole. However, because the colony is dispersed over the whole country, and not just located in the black belt, winning still means the power and liberation of blacks in the whole country.

Thus, even the winning of separate independence in the South would still be one step toward self-determination, and not equivalent to winning it; which, because of the economic position of the colony as a whole, would still require overthrowing the state power of the imperialists, taking over production and the whole economy and power, etc.

VII. The Revolutionary Youth Movement: Class Analysis

The revolutionary youth movement program was hailed as a transition strategy, which explained a lot of our past work and pointed to new directions for our movement. But as a transition to what- What was our overall strategy- Was the youth movement strategy just an organizational strategy because SDS is an organization of youth and we can move best with other young people-

We have pointed to the vanguard nature of the black struggle in this country as part of the international struggle against American imperialism, and the impossibility of anything but an international strategy for winning. Any attempt to put forth a strategy which, despite internationalist rhetoric, assumes a purely internal development to the class struggle in this country, is incorrect. The Vietnamese (and the Uruguayans and the Rhodesians) and the blacks and Third World peoples in this country will continue to set the terms for class struggle in America.

In this context, why an emphasis on youth- Why should young people be willing to fight on the side of Third World peoples- Before dealing with this question about youth, however, there follows a brief sketch of the main class categories in the white mother country which we think are important, and [which] indicate our present estimation of their respective class interests (bearing in mind that the potential for various sections to understand and fight for the revolution will vary according to more than just their real class interests).

Most of the population is of the working class, by which we mean not simply industrial or production workers, nor those who are actually working, but the whole section of the population which doesn’t own productive property and so lives off of the sale of its labor power. This is not a metaphysical category either in terms of its interests, the role it plays, or even who is in it, which very often is difficult to determine.

As a whole, the long-range interests of the non-colonial sections of the working class lie with overthrowing imperialism, with supporting self-determination for the oppressed nations (including the black colony), with supporting and fighting for international socialism. However, virtually all of the white working class also has short-range privileges from imperialism, which are not false privileges but very real ones which give them an edge of vested interest and tie them to a certain extent to the imperialists, especially when the latter are in a relatively prosperous phase. When the imperialists are losing their empire, on the other hand, these short-range privileged interests are seen to be temporary (even though the privileges may be relatively greater over the faster-increasing emiseration of the oppressed peoples). The long-range interests of workers in siding with the oppressed peoples are seen more clearly in the light of imperialism’s impending defeat. Within the whole working class, the balance of anti-imperialist class interests with white mother country short-term privilege varies greatly.

First, the most oppressed sections of the mother country working class have interests most clearly and strongly anti-imperialist. Who are the most oppressed sections of the working class- Millions of whites who have as oppressive material conditions as the blacks, or almost so: especially poor southern white workers; the unemployed or semi-employed, or those employed at very low wages for long hours and bad conditions, who are non-unionized or have weak unions; and extending up to include much of unionized labor which has it a little better off but still is heavily oppressed and exploited. This category covers a wide range and includes the most oppressed sections not only of production and service workers but also some secretaries, clerks, etc. Much of this category gets some relative privileges (i.e. benefits) from imperialism, which constitute some material basis for being racist or pro-imperialist; but overall it is itself directly and heavily oppressed, so that in addition to its long-range class interest on the side of the people of the world, its immediate situation also constitutes a strong basis for sharpening the struggle against the state and fighting through to revolution.

Secondly, there is the upper strata of the working class. This is also an extremely broad category, including the upper strata of unionized skilled workers and also most of the “new working class” of proletarianized or semi-proletarianized “intellect workers.” There is no clearly marked dividing line between the previous section and this one; our conclusions in dealing with “questionable” strata will in any event have to come from more thorough analysis of particular situations. The long-range class interests of this strata, like the previous section of more oppressed workers, are for the revolution and against imperialism. However, it is characterized by a higher level of privilege relative to the oppressed colonies, including the blacks, and relative to more oppressed workers in the mother country; so that there is a strong material basis for racism and loyalty to the system. In a revolutionary situation, where the people’s forces were on the offensive and the ruling class was clearly losing, most of this upper strata of the working class will be winnable to the revolution, while at least some sections of it will probably identify their interests with imperialism till the end and oppose the revolution (which parts do which will have to do with more variables than just the particular level of privilege). The further development of the situation will clarify where this section will go, although it is clear that either way we do not put any emphasis on reaching older employed workers from this strata at this time. The exception is where they are important to the black liberation struggle, the Third World, or the youth movement in particular situations, such as with teachers, hospital technicians, etc., in which cases we must fight particularly hard to organize them around a revolutionary line of full support for black liberation and the international revolution against US imperialism. This is crucial because the privilege of this section of the working class has provided and will provide a strong material basis for national chauvinist and social democratic ideology within the movement, such as anti-internationalist concepts of “student power” and “workers control.” Another consideration in understanding the interests of this segment is that, because of the way it developed and how its skills and its privileges were “earned over time,” the differential between the position of youth and older workers is in many ways greater for this section than any other in the population. We should continue to see it as important to build the revolutionary youth movement among the youth of this strata.

Thirdly, there are “middle strata” who are not petit bourgeoisie, who may even technically be upper working class, but who are so privileged and tightly tied to imperialism through their job roles that they are agents of imperialism. This section includes management personnel, corporate lawyers, higher civil servants, and other government agents, army officers, etc. Because their job categories require and promote a close identification with the interests of the ruling class, these strata are enemies of the revolution.

Fourthly, and last among the categories we’re going to deal with, is the petit bourgeoisie. This class is different from the middle level described above in that it has the independent class interest which is opposed to both monopoly power and to socialism. The petit bourgeoisie consists of small capital—both business and farms—and self-employed tradesmen and professionals (many professionals work for monopoly capital, and are either the upper level of the working class or in the dent class interests-anti-monopoly capital, but for capitalism rather than socialism—gives it a political character of some opposition to “big government,” like its increased spending and taxes and its totalitarian extension of its control into every aspect of life, and to “big labor,” which is at this time itself part of the monopoly capitalist power structure. The direction which this opposition takes can be reactionary or reformist. At this time the reformist side of it is very much mitigated by the extent to which the independence of the petit bourgeoisie is being undermined. Increasingly, small businesses are becoming extensions of big ones, while professionals and self-employed tradesmen less and less sell their skills on their own terms and become regular employees of big firms. This tendency does not mean that the reformist aspect is not still present; it is, and there are various issues, like withdrawing from a losing imperialist war, where we could get support from them. On the question of imperialism as a system, however, their class interests are generally more for it than for overthrowing it, and it will be the deserters from their class who stay with us.

VIII. Why A Revolutionary Youth Movement-

In terms of the above analysis, most young people in the US are part of the working class. Although not yet employed, young people whose parents sell their labor power for wages, and more important who themselves expect to do the same in the future—or go into the army or be unemployed—are undeniably members of the working class. Most kids are well aware of what class they are in, even though they may not be very scientific about it. So our analysis assumes from the beginning that youth struggles are, by and large, working-class struggles. But why the focus now on the struggles of working-class youth rather than on the working class as a whole-

The potential for revolutionary consciousness does not always correspond to ultimate class interest, particularly when imperialism is relatively prosperous and the movement is in an early stage. At this stage, we see working-class youth as those most open to a revolutionary movement which sides with the struggles of Third World people; the following is an attempt to explain a strategic focus on youth for SDS.

In general, young people have less stake in a society (no family, fewer debts, etc.), are more open to new ideas (they have not been brainwashed for so long or so well), and are therefore more able and willing to move in a revolutionary direction. Specifically in America, young people have grown up experiencing the crises in imperialism. They have grown up along with a developing black liberation movement, with the liberation of Cuba, the fights for independence in Africa and the war in Vietnam. Older people grew up during the fight against fascism, during the Cold War, the smashing of the trade unions, McCarthy, and a period during which real wages consistently rose—since 1965 disposable real income has decreased slightly, particularly in urban areas where inflation and increased taxation have bitten heavily into wages. This crisis in imperialism affects all parts of the society. America has had to militarize to protect and expand its empire; hence the high draft calls and the creation of a standing army of three and a half million, an army which still has been unable to win in Vietnam. Further, the huge defense expenditures—required for the defense of the empire and at the same time a way of making increasing profits for the defense industries—have gone hand in hand with the urban crisis around welfare, the hospitals, the schools, housing, air and water pollution. The State cannot provide the services it has been forced to assume responsibility for, and needs to increase taxes and to pay its growing debts while it cuts services and uses the pigs to repress protest. The private sector of the economy can’t provide jobs, particularly unskilled jobs. The expansion of the defense and education industries by the State since World War II is in part an attempt to pick up the slack, though the inability to provide decent wages and working conditions for “public” jobs is more and more a problem.

As imperialism struggles to hold together this decaying social fabric, it inevitably resorts to brute force and authoritarian ideology. People, especially young people, more and more find themselves in the iron grip of authoritarian institutions. Reaction against the pigs or teachers in the schools, welfare pigs or the army, is generalizable and extends beyond the particular repressive institution to the society and the State as a whole. The legitimacy of the State is called into question for the first time in at least 30 years, and the anti-authoritarianism which characterizes the youth rebellion turns into rejection of the State, a refusal to be socialized into American society. Kids used to try to beat the system from inside the army or from inside the schools; now they desert from the army and burn down the schools.

The crisis in imperialism has brought about a breakdown in bourgeois social forms, culture and ideology. The family falls apart, kids leave home, women begin to break out of traditional “female” and “mother” roles. There develops a “generation gap” and a “youth problem.” Our heroes are no longer struggling businessmen, and we also begin to reject the ideal career of the professional and look to Mao, Chef, the Panthers, the Third World, for our models, for motion. We reject the elitist, technocratic bullshit that tells us only experts can rule, and look instead to leadership from the people’s war of the Vietnamese. Chuck Berry, Elvis, the Temptations brought us closer to the “people’s culture” of Black America. The racist response to the civil rights movement revealed the depth of racism in America, as well as the impossibility of real change through American institutions. And the war against Vietnam is not “the heroic war against the Nazis”; it’s the big lie, with napalm burning through everything we had heard this country stood for. Kids begin to ask questions: Where is the Free World- And who do the pigs protect at home-

The breakdown in bourgeois culture and concomitant anti-authoritarianism is fed by the crisis in imperialism, but also in turn feeds that crisis, exacerbates it so that people no longer merely want the plastic ’50s restored, but glimpse an alternative (like inside the Columbia buildings) and begin to fight for it. We don’t want teachers to be more kindly cops; we want to smash cops, and build a new life.

The contradictions of decaying imperialism fall hardest on youth in four distinct areas—the schools, jobs, the draft and the army, and the pigs and the courts. (A) In jail-like schools, kids are fed a mish-mash of racist, male chauvinist, anti-working class, anti-communist lies while being channeled into job and career paths set up according to the priorities of monopoly capital. At the same time, the State is becoming increasingly incapable of providing enough money to keep the schools going at all. (B) Youth unemployment is three times average unemployment. As more jobs are threatened by automation or the collapse of specific industries, unions act to secure jobs for those already employed. New people in the labor market can’t find jobs, job stability is undermined (also because of increasing speed-up and more intolerable safety conditions) and people are less and less going to work in the same shop for 40 years. And, of course, when they do find jobs, young people get the worst ones and have the least seniority. (C) There are now two and a half million soldiers under thirty who are forced to police the world, kill and be killed in wars of imperialist domination. And (D) as a “youth problem” develops out of all this, the pigs and courts enforce curfews, set up pot busts, keep people off the streets, and repress any youth motion whatsoever.

In all of this, it is not that life in America is toughest for youth or that they are the most oppressed. Rather, it is that young people are hurt directly—and severely—by imperialism. And, in being less tightly tied to the system, they are more “pushed” to join the black liberation struggle against US imperialism. Among young people there is less of a material base for racism—they have no seniority, have not spent 20 years securing a skilled job (the white monopoly of which is increasingly challenged by the black liberation movement), and aren’t just about to pay off a 25-year mortgage on a house which is valuable because it’s located in a white neighborhood.

While these contradictions of imperialism fall hard on all youth, they fall hardest on the youth of the most oppressed (least privileged) sections of the working class. Clearly these youth have the greatest material base for struggle. They are the ones who most often get drafted, who get the worst jobs if they get any, who are most abused by the various institutions of social control, from the army to decaying schools, to the pigs and the courts. And their day-to-day existence indicates a potential for militancy and toughness. They are the people whom we can reach who at this stage are most ready to engage in militant revolutionary struggle.

The point of the revolutionary youth movement strategy is to move from a predominant student elite base to more oppressed (less privileged) working-class youth as a way of deepening and expanding the revolutionary youth movement—not of giving up what we have gained, not giving up our old car for a new Dodge. This is part of a strategy to reach the entire working class to engage in struggle against imperialism; moving from more privileged sections of white working-class youth to more oppressed sections to the entire working class as a whole, including importantly what has classically been called the industrial proletariat. But this should not be taken to mean that there is a magic moment, after we reach a certain percentage of the working class, when all of a sudden we become a working-class movement. We are already that if we put forward internationalist proletarian politics. We also don’t have to wait to become a revolutionary force. We must be a self-conscious revolutionary force from the beginning, not be a movement which takes issues to some mystical group—”THE PEOPLE”—who will make the revolution. We must be a revolutionary movement of people understanding the necessity to reach more people, all working people, as we make the revolution.

The above arguments make it clear that it is both important and possible to reach young people wherever they are—not only in the shops, but also in the schools, in the army and in the streets—so as to recruit them to fight on the side of the oppressed peoples of the world. Young people will be part of the International Liberation Army. The necessity to build this International Liberation Army in America leads to certain priorities in practice for the revolutionary youth movement which we should begin to apply this summer. …

IX. Imperialism Is The Issue

The Communists are distinguished from the other working-class parties by this only: 1. In the national struggles of the proletariat of different countries, they point out and bring to the front the common interests of the entire proletariat, independently of all nationality. 2. In the various stages of development which the struggle of the working-class against the bourgeoisie has to pass through, they always and everywhere represent the interests of the movement as a whole.”

—Communist Manifesto

How do we reach youth; what kinds of struggles do we build; how do we make a revolution- What we have tried to lay out so far is the political content of the consciousness which we want to extend and develop as a mass consciousness: the necessity to build our power as part of the whole international revolution to smash the state power of the imperialists and build socialism. Besides consciousness of this task, we must involve masses of people in accomplishing it. Yet we are faced with a situation in which almost all of the people whose interests are served by these goals, and who should be, or even are, sympathetic to revolution, neither understand the specific tasks involved in making a revolution nor participate in accomplishing them. On the whole, people don’t join revolutions just because revolutionaries tell them to. The oppression of the system affects people in particular ways, and the development of political consciousness and participation begins with particular problems, which turn into issues and struggles. We must transform people’s everyday problems, and the issues and struggles growing out of them, into revolutionary consciousness, active and conscious opposition to racism and imperialism.

This is directly counterposed to assuming that struggles around immediate issues will lead naturally over time to struggle against imperialism. It has been argued that since people’s oppression is due to imperialism and racism, then any struggle against immediate oppression is “objectively anti-imperialist,” and the development of the fight against imperialism is a succession of fights for reforms. This error is classical economism.

A variant of this argument admits that this position is often wrong, but suggests that since imperialism is collapsing at this time, fights for reforms become “objectively anti-imperialist.” At this stage of imperialism there obviously will be more and more struggles for the improvement of material conditions, but that is no guarantee of increasing internationalist proletarian consciousness.

On the one hand, if we, as revolutionaries, are capable of understanding the necessity to smash imperialism and build socialism, then the masses of people who we want to fight along with us are capable of that understanding. On the other hand, people are brainwashed and at present don’t understand it; if revolution is not raised at every opportunity, then how can we expect people to see it in their interests, or to undertake the burdens of revolution- We need to make it clear from the very beginning that we are about revolution. But if we are so careful to avoid the dangers of reformism, how do we relate to particular reform struggles- We have to develop some sense of how to relate each particular issue to the revolution.

In every case, our aim is to raise anti-imperialist and anti-racist consciousness and tie the struggles of working-class youth (and all working people) to the struggles of Third World people, rather than merely joining fights to improve material conditions, even though these fights are certainly justified. This is not to say that we don’t take immediate fights seriously, or fight hard in them, but that we are always up front with our politics, knowing that people in the course of struggle are open to a class line, ready to move beyond narrow self-interest.

It is in this sense that we point out that the particular issue is not the issue, is important insofar as it points to imperialism as an enemy that has to be destroyed. Imperialism is always the issue. Obviously, the issue cannot be a good illustration, or a powerful symbol, if it is not real to people, if it doesn’t relate to the concrete oppression that imperialism causes. People have to be (and are being) hurt in some material way to understand the evils of imperialism, but what we must stress is the systematic nature of oppression and the way in which a single manifestation of imperialism makes clear its fundamental nature. At Columbia it was not the gym, in particular, which was important in the struggle, but the way in which the gym represented, to the people of Harlem and Columbia, Columbia’s imperialist invasion of the black colony. Or at Berkeley, though people no doubt needed a park (as much, however, as many other things-), what made the struggle so important was that people, at all levels of militancy, consciously saw themselves attacking private property and the power of the State. And the Richmond Oil Strike was exciting because the militant fight for improvement of material conditions was part and parcel of an attack on international monopoly capital. The numbers and militancy of people mobilized for these struggles has consistently surprised the left, and pointed to the potential power of a class-conscious mass movement.

The masses will fight for socialism when they understand that reform fights, fights for improvement of material conditions, cannot be won under imperialism. With this understanding, revolutionaries should never put forth a line which fosters the illusion that imperialism will grant significant reforms. We must engage in struggles forthrightly as revolutionaries, so that it will be clear to anyone we help to win gains that the revolution rather than imperialism is responsible for them. This is one of the strengths of the Black Panther Party Breakfast for Children Program. It is “socialism in practice” by revolutionaries with the “practice” of armed self-defense and a “line” which stresses the necessity of overthrowing imperialism and seizing state power. Probably the American Friends Service Committee serves more children breakfast, but it is the symbolic value of the program in demonstrating what socialism will do for people which makes the Black Panther Program worthwhile.

What does it mean to organize around racism and imperialism in specific struggles- In the high schools (and colleges) at this time, it means putting forth a mass line to close down the schools, rather than to reform them, so that they can serve the people. The reason for this line is not that under capitalism the schools cannot serve the people, and therefore it is silly or illusory to demand that. Rather, it is that kids are ready for the full scope of militant struggle, and already demonstrate a consciousness of imperialism, such that struggles for a people-serving school would not raise the level of their struggle to its highest possible point. Thus, to tell a kid in New York that imperialism tracks him and thereby oppresses him is often small potatoes compared to his consciousness that imperialism oppresses him by jailing him, pigs and all, and the only thing to do is break out and tear up the jail. And even where high school kids are not yet engaged in such sharp struggle, it is crucial not to build consciousness only around specific issues such as tracking or ROTC or racist teachers, but to use these issues to build toward the general consciousness that the schools should be shut down. It may be important to present a conception of what schools should or could be like (this would include the abolition of the distinction between mental and physical work), but not offer this total conception as really possible to fight for in any way but through revolution.

A mass line to close down the schools or colleges does not contradict demands for open admissions to college or any other good reform demand. Agitational demands for impossible, but reasonable, reforms are a good way to make a revolutionary point. The demand for open admissions by asserting the alternative to the present (school) system exposes its fundamental nature—that it is racist, class-based, and closed—pointing to the only possible solution to the present situation: “Shut it down!” The impossibility of real open admissions—all black and brown people admitted, no flunk-out, full scholarship, under present conditions—is the best reason (that the schools show no possibility for real reform) to shut the schools down. We should not throw away the pieces of victories we gain from these struggles, for any kind of more open admissions means that the school is closer to closing down (it costs the schools more, there are more militant blacks and browns making more and more fundamental demands on the schools, and so on). Thus our line in the schools, in terms of pushing any good reforms, should be, Open them up and shut them down!”

The spread of black caucuses in the shops and other workplaces throughout the country is an extension of the black liberation struggle. These groups have raised and will continue to raise anti-racist issues to white workers in a sharper fashion than any whites ever have or could raise them. Blacks leading struggles against racism made the issue unavoidable, as the black student movement leadership did for white students. At the same time these black groups have led fights which traditional trade-union leaders have consistently refused to lead—fights against speed-up and for safety (issues which have become considerably more serious in the last few years), forcing white workers, particularly the more oppressed, to choose in another way between allegiance to the white mother country and black leadership. As white mother country radicals we should try to be in shops, hospitals, and companies where there are black caucuses, perhaps organizing solidarity groups, but at any rate pushing the importance of the black liberation struggle to whites, handing out Free Huey literature, bringing guys out to Panther rallies, and so on. Just one white guy could play a crucial role in countering UAW counter-insurgency.

We also need to relate to workplaces where there is no black motion but where there are still many young white workers. In the shops the crisis in imperialism has come down around speed-up, safety, and wage squeeze—due to higher taxes and increased inflation, with the possibility of wage-price controls being instituted.

We must relate this exploitation back to imperialism. The best way to do this is probably not caucuses in the shops, but to take guys to citywide demonstrations, Newsreels, even the latest administration building, to make the Movement concrete to them and involve them in it. Further, we can effect consciousness and pick up people through agitational work at plants, train stops, etc., selling Movements, handing out leaflets about the war, the Panthers, the companies’ holdings overseas or relations to defense industry, etc.

After the Richmond strike, people leafleted about demonstrations in support of the Curaçao Oil workers, Free Huey May Day, and People’s Park.

SDS has not dealt in any adequate way with the women question; the resolution passed at Ann Arbor did not lead to much practice, nor has the need to fight male supremacy been given any programmatic direction within the RYM. As a result, we have a very limited understanding of the tie-up between imperialism and the women question, although we know that since World War II the differential between men’s and women’s wages has increased, and guess that the breakdown of the family is crucial to the woman question. How do we organize women against racism and imperialism without submerging the principled revolutionary question of women’s liberation- We have no real answer, but we recognize the real reactionary danger of women’s groups that are not self-consciously revolutionary and anti-imperialist.

To become more relevant to the growing women’s movement, SDS women should begin to see as a primary responsibility the self-conscious organizing of women. We will not be able to organize women unless we speak directly to their own oppression. This will become more and more critical as we work with more oppressed women. Women who are working and women who have families face male supremacy continuously in their day-to-day lives; that will have to be the starting point in their politicization. Women will never be able to undertake a full revolutionary role unless they break out of their woman’s role. So a crucial task for revolutionaries is the creation of forms of organization in which women will be able to take on new and independent roles. Women’s self-defense groups will be a step toward these organizational forms, as an effort to overcome women’s isolation and build revolutionary self-reliance.

The cultural revolt of women against their “role” in imperialism (which is just beginning to happen in a mass way) should have the same sort of revolutionary potential that the RYM claimed for “youth culture.” The role of the “wife-mother” is reactionary in most modern societies, and the disintegration of that role under imperialism should make women more sympathetic to revolution.

In all of our work we should try to formulate demands that not only reach out to more oppressed women, but ones which tie us to other ongoing struggles, in the way that a daycare center at U of C [University of Chicago] enabled us to tie the women’s liberation struggle to the Black Liberation struggle.

There must be a strong revolutionary women’s movement, for without one it will be impossible for women’s liberation to be an important part of the revolution. Revolutionaries must be made to understand the full scope of women’s oppression, and the necessity to smash male supremacy.

X. Neighborhood-Based Citywide Youth Movement

One way to make clear the nature of the system and our tasks working off of separate struggles is to tie them together with each other: to show that we’re one “multi-issue” movement, not an alliance of high school and college students, or students and GIs, or youth and workers, or students and the black community. The way to do this is to build organic regional or sub-regional and citywide movements, by regularly bringing people in one institution or area to fights going on on other fronts.

This works on two levels. Within a neighborhood, by bringing kids to different fights and relating these fights to each other—high school stuff, colleges, housing, welfare, shops—we begin to build one neighborhood-based multi-issue movement off of them. Besides actions and demonstrations, we also pull different people together in day-to-day film showings, rallies, for speakers and study groups, etc. On a second level, we combine neighborhood “bases” into a citywide or region-wide movement by doing the same kind of thing; concentrating our forces at whatever important struggles are going on and building more ongoing interrelationships off of that.

The importance of specifically neighborhood-based organizing is illustrated by our greatest failing in RYM practice so far—high school organizing. In most cities we don’t know the kids who have been tearing up and burning down the schools. Our approach has been elitist, relating to often baseless citywide groups by bringing them our line, or picking up kids with a false understanding of “politics” rather than those whose practice demonstrates their concrete anti-imperialist consciousness that schools are prisons. We’ve been unwilling to work continuously with high school kids as we did in building up college chapters. We will only reach the high school kids who are in motion by being in the schoolyards, hangouts and on the streets on an everyday basis. From a neighborhood base, high school kids could be effectively tied in to struggles around other institutions and issues, and to the anti-imperialist movement as a whole.

We will try to involve neighborhood kids who aren’t in high schools too; take them to anti-war or anti-racism fights, stuff in the schools, etc.; and at the same time reach out more broadly through newspapers, films, storefronts. Activists and cadres who are recruited in this work will help expand and deepen the Movement in new neighborhoods and high schools. Mostly we will still be tied in to the college-based movement in the same area, be influencing its direction away from campus-oriented provincialism, be recruiting high school kids into it where it is real enough and be recruiting organizers out of it. In its most developed form, this neighborhood-based movement would be a kind of sub-region. In places where the Movement wasn’t so strong, this would be an important form for being close to kids in a day-to-day way and yet be relating heavily to a lot of issues and political fronts which the same kids are involved with.

The second level is combining these neighborhoods into citywide and regional movements. This would mean doing the same thing—bringing people to other fights going on—only on a larger scale, relating to various blow-ups and regional mobilizations. An example is how a lot of people from different places went to San Francisco State, the Richmond Oil Strike, and now Berkeley. The existence of this kind of cross-motion makes ongoing organizing in other places go faster and stronger, first by creating a pervasive politicization, and second by relating everything to the most militant and advanced struggles going on so that they influence and set the pace for a lot more people. Further, cities are a basic unit of organization of the whole society in a way that neighborhoods aren’t. For example, one front where we should be doing stuff is the courts; they are mostly organized citywide, not by smaller areas. The same for the city government itself. Schools where kids go are in different neighborhoods from where they live, especially colleges; the same for hospitals people go to, and where they work. As a practical question of staying with people we pick up, the need for a citywide or area-wide kind of orientation is already felt in our movement.

Another failure of this year was making clear what the RYM meant for chapter members and students who weren’t organizers about to leave their campus for a community college, high school, GI organizing, shops or neighborhoods. One thing it means for them is relating heavily to off-campus activities and struggles, as part of the citywide motion. Not leaving the campus movement like people did for ERAP [Education Research Action Project] stuff; rather, people still organized on the campus in off-campus struggles, the way they have in the past for national actions. Like the national actions, the citywide ones will build the on-campus movement, not compete with it.

Because the Movement will be defining itself in relation to many issues and groups, not just schools (and the war and racism as they hit at the schools), it will create a political context that non-students can relate to better, and be more useful to organizing among high school students, neighborhood kids, the mass of people. In the process, it will change the consciousness of the students too; if the issues are right and the Movement fights them, people will develop a commitment to the struggle as a whole, and an understanding of the need to be revolutionaries rather than a “student movement.” Building a revolutionary youth movement will depend on organizing in a lot of places where we haven’t been, and just tying the student movement to other issues and struggles isn’t a substitute for that. But given our limited resources we must also lead the on-campus motion into a RYM direction, and we can make great gains toward citywide youth movements by doing it.

Three principles underlie this multi-issue, “cross-institutional” movement, on the neighborhood and citywide levels, as to why it creates greater revolutionary consciousness and active participation in the revolution:

(1) Mixing different issues, struggles and groups demonstrates our analysis to people in a material way. We claim there is one system and so all these different problems have the same solution, revolution. If they are the same struggle in the end, we should make that clear from the beginning. On this basis we must aggressively smash the notion that there can be outside agitators on a question pertaining to the imperialists.

(2) “Relating to Motion”: the struggle activity, the action, of the Movement demonstrates our existence and strength to people in a material way. Seeing it happen, people give it more weight in their thinking. For the participants, involvement in struggle is the best education about the Movement, the enemy and the class struggle. In a neighborhood or whole city the existence of some struggle is a catalyst for other struggles—it pushes people to see the Movement as more important and urgent, and as an example and precedent makes it easier for them to follow. If the participants in a struggle are based in different institutions or parts of the city, these effects are multiplied. Varied participation helps the Movement be seen as political (wholly subversive) rather than as separate grievance fights. As people in one section of the Movement fight beside and identify closer with other sections, the mutual catalytic effect of their struggles will be greater.

(3) We must build a Movement oriented toward power. Revolution is a power struggle, and we must develop that understanding among people from the beginning. Pooling our resources area-wide and citywide really does increase our power in particular fights, as-well as push a mutual-aid-in-struggle consciousness.

XI. The RYM And The Pigs

A major focus in our neighborhood and citywide work is the pigs, because they tie together the various struggles around the State as the enemy, and thus point to the need for a Movement oriented toward power to defeat it.

The pigs are the capitalist state, and as such define the limits of all political struggles; to the extent that a revolutionary struggle shows signs of success, they come in and mark the point it can’t go beyond. In the early stages of struggle, the ruling class lets parents come down on high school kids, or jocks attack college chapters. When the struggle escalates the pigs come in; at Columbia, the left was afraid its struggle would be co-opted to anti-police brutality, cops off campus, and said pigs weren’t the issue. But pigs really are the issue and people will understand this, one way or another. They can have a liberal understanding that pigs are sweaty working-class barbarians who over-react and commit “police brutality” and so shouldn’t be on campus. Or they can understand pigs as the repressive imperialist State doing its job. Our job is not to avoid the issue of the pigs as “diverting” from anti-imperialist struggle, but to emphasize that they are our real enemy if we fight that struggle to win.

Even when there is no organized political struggle, the pigs come down on people in everyday life in enforcing capitalist property relations, bourgeois laws and bourgeois morality; they guard stores and factories and the rich and enforce credit and rent against the poor. The overwhelming majority of arrests in America are for crimes against property. The pigs will be coming down on the kids we’re working with in the schools, on the streets, around dope; we should focus on them, point them out all the time, like the Panthers do. We should relate the daily oppression by the pig to their role in political repression, and develop a class understanding of political power and armed force among the kids we’re with.

As we develop a base these two aspects of the pig role increasingly come together. In the schools, pig is part of daily oppression—keeping order in halls and lunch rooms, controlling smoking—while at the same time pigs prevent kids from handing out leaflets, and bust “outside agitators.” The presence of youth, or youth with long hair, becomes defined as organized political struggle and the pigs react to it as such. More and more everyday activity is politically threatening, so pigs are suddenly more in evidence; this in turn generates political organization and opposition, and so on. Our task will be to catalyze this development, pushing out the conflict with the pig so as to define every struggle—schools (pigs out, pig institutes out), welfare (invading pig-protected office), the streets (curfew and turf fights)—as a struggle against the needs of capitalism and the force of the State.

Pigs don’t represent State power as an abstract principle; they are a power that we will have to overcome in the course of struggle or become irrelevant, revisionist, or dead. We must prepare concretely to meet their power because our job is to defeat the pigs and the army, and organize on that basis. Our beginnings should stress self-defense—building defense groups around karate classes, learning how to move on the street and around the neighborhood, medical training, popularizing and moving toward (according to necessity) armed self-defense, all the time honoring and putting forth the principle that “political power comes out of the barrel of a gun.” These self-defense groups would initiate pig surveillance patrols, visits to the pig station and courts when someone is busted, etc.

Obviously the issues around the pig will not come down by neighborhood alone; it will take at least citywide groups able to coordinate activities against a unified enemy—in the early stages, for legal and bail resources and turning people out for demonstrations, adding the power of the citywide movement to what may be initially only a tenuous base in a neighborhood. Struggles in one part of the city will not only provide lessons for but [will] materially aid similar motion in the rest of it.

Thus the pigs are ultimately the glue—the necessity—that holds the neighborhood-based and citywide movement together; all of our concrete needs lead to pushing the pigs to the fore as a political focus:

(1) making institutionally oriented reform struggles deal with State power, by pushing our struggle till either winning or getting pigged;

(2) using the citywide inter-relation of fights to raise the level of struggle and further large-scale anti-pig movement-power consciousness;

(3) developing spontaneous anti-pig consciousness in our neighborhoods to an understanding of imperialism, class struggle and the State;

(4) and using the citywide movement as a platform for reinforcing and extending this politicization work, like by talking about getting together a citywide neighborhood-based mutual aid anti-pig self-defense network.

All of this can be done through citywide agitation and propaganda and picking certain issues—to have as the central regional focus for the whole Movement.

XII. Repression And Revolution

As institutional fights and anti-pig self-defense off of them intensify, so will the ruling class’s repression. Their escalation of repression will inevitably continue according to how threatening the Movement is to their power. Our task is not to avoid or end repression; that can always be done by pulling back, so we’re not dangerous enough to require crushing. Sometimes it is correct to do that as a tactical retreat, to survive to fight again.

To defeat repression, however, is not to stop it but to go on building the Movement to be more dangerous to them; in which case, defeated at one level, repression will escalate even more. To succeed in defending the Movement, and not just ourselves at its expense, we will have to successively meet and overcome these greater and greater levels of repression.

To be winning will thus necessarily, as imperialism’s lesser efforts fail, bring about a phase of all-out military repression. To survive and grow in the face of that will require more than a larger base of supporters; it will require the invincible strength of a mass base at a high level of active participation and consciousness, and can only come from mobilizing the self-conscious creativity, will and determination of the people.

Each new escalation of the struggle in response to new levels of repression, each protracted struggle around self-defense which becomes a material fighting force, is part of the international strategy of solidarity with Vietnam and the blacks, through opening up other fronts. They are anti-war, anti-imperialist and pro-black liberation. If they involve fighting the enemy, then these struggles are part of the revolution.

Therefore, clearly the organization and active, conscious, participating mass base needed to survive repression are also the same needed for winning the revolution. The Revolutionary Youth Movement speaks to the need for this kind of active mass-based Movement by tying citywide motion back to community youth bases, because this brings us close enough to kids in their day-to-day lives to organize their “maximum active participation” around enough different kinds of fights to push the “highest level of consciousness” about imperialism, the black vanguard, the State and the need for armed struggle.

III. The Need For A Revolutionary Party

The RYM must also lead to the effective organization needed to survive and to create another battlefield of the revolution. A revolution is a war; when the Movement in this country can defend itself militarily against total repression it will be part of the revolutionary war.

This will require a cadre organization, effective secrecy, self-reliance among the cadres, and an integrated relationship with the active mass-based Movement. To win a war with an enemy as highly organized and centralized as the imperialists will require a (clandestine) organization of revolutionaries, having also a unified “general staff”; that is, combined at some point with discipline under one centralized leadership. Because war is political, political tasks—the international communist revolution—must guide it. Therefore the centralized organization of revolutionaries must be a political organization as well as military, what is generally called a “Marxist-Leninist” party.

How will we accomplish the building of this kind of organization- It is clear that we couldn’t somehow form such a party at this time, because the conditions for it do not exist in this country outside the Black nation. What are these conditions-

One is that to have a unified centralized organization it is necessary to have a common revolutionary theory which explains, at least generally, the nature of our revolutionary tasks and how to accomplish them. It must be a set of ideas which have been tested and developed in the practice of resolving the important contradictions in our work.

A second condition is the existence of revolutionary leadership tested in practice. To have a centralized party under illegal and repressive conditions requires a centralized leadership, specific individuals with the understanding and the ability to unify and guide the Movement in the face of new problems and be right most of the time.

Thirdly, and most important, there must be the same revolutionary mass base mentioned earlier, or (better) revolutionary mass movement. It is clear that without this there can’t be the practical experience to know whether or not a theory, or a leader, is any good at all. Without practical revolutionary activity on a mass scale the party could not test and develop new ideas and draw conclusions with enough surety behind them to consistently base its survival on them. Especially, no revolutionary party could possibly survive Without relying on the active support and participation of masses of people.

These conditions for the development of a revolutionary party in this country are the main “conditions” for winning. There are two kinds of tasks for us.

One is the organization of revolutionary collectives within the Movement. Our theory must come from practice, but it can’t be developed in isolation. Only a collective pooling of our experiences can develop a thorough understanding of the complex conditions in this country. In the same way, only our collective efforts toward a common plan can adequately test the ideas we develop. The development of revolutionary Marxist-Leninist-Maoist collective formations which undertake this concrete evaluation and application of the lessons of our work is not just the task of specialists or leaders, but the responsibility of every revolutionary. Just as a collective is necessary to sum up experiences and apply them locally, equally the collective interrelationship of groups all over the country is necessary to get an accurate view of the whole movement and to apply that in the whole country. Over time, those collectives which prove themselves in practice to have the correct understanding (by the results they get) will contribute toward the creation of a unified revolutionary party.

The most important task for us toward making the revolution, and the work our collectives should engage in, is the creation of a mass revolutionary movement, without which a clandestine revolutionary party will be impossible. A revolutionary mass movement is different from the traditional revisionist mass base of “sympathizers.” Rather it is akin to the Red Guard in China, based on the full participation and involvement of masses of people in the practice of making revolution; a movement with a full willingness to participate in the violent and illegal struggle. It is a movement diametrically opposed to the elitist idea that only leaders are smart enough or interested enough to accept full revolutionary conclusions. It is a movement built on the basis of faith in the masses of people.

The task of collectives is to create this kind of movement. (The party is not a substitute for it. and in fact is totally dependent on it.) This will be done at this stage principally among youth, through implementing the Revolutionary Youth Movement strategy discussed in this paper. It is practice at this, and not political “teachings” in the abstract, which will determine the relevance of the political collectives which are formed.

The strategy of the RYM for developing an active mass base, tying the citywide fights to community and citywide anti-pig movement, and for building a party eventually out of this motion, fits with the world strategy for winning the revolution, builds a movement oriented toward power, and will become one division of the International Liberation Army, while its battlefields are added to the many Vietnams which will dismember and dispose of US imperialism. Long Live the Victory of People’s War!

93 thoughts on “Weatherman Manifesto

  1. This is traitorous and crap! You want socialism take you and your fight to Venezuela.

  2. Oooh.. another spirited defense of Free Speech.
    What IS treasonous CRAP is the Military Industrial Complex, you know, the “good Capitalists” you worship, using Americans to MURDER people in other countries to take their resources and all the while make the lying claim that they’re “fighting for freedom” and getting enough Really Stupid People to believe it.

    You want to live in a military dictatorship, YOU leave. There’s plenty of Military Dictatorships in the world and the vast majority of them supported and backed by the U.S. Department of “defense” and other Police State apparati.

    Maybe one of the countries the Army is “liberating”.
    Under the direction of Crap-spewing TRAITORS.

  3. Maybe you’re AFRAID of somebody else exercising Free Speech? Using our freedom of speech for something other than Praising The Corporate Suck Government and their Murderous actions?

    Were you one of the ones who sicked the Colorado Springs PIG department on us for marching in a Parade 3 years ago, all the while yelling at us that you were standing for “freedom”, amongst their Other Lies?

  4. Also it’s usually spelled “treasonous”. And, it is REALLY good to know that the Right Wing are still upset that the People of Venezuela don’t allow them to run THEIR OWN COUNTRY for the profit and benefit of the Right Wing Corporate Masters
    You LOST in VietNam, you LOST in Algeria, you LOST in Ireland, you LOST in Iran, you LOST in Cuba, you LOST in Grenada and Nicaragua, get over yourself already. The worst part of it is Your Corporate Masters spent beaucoup American Taxpayer money (as opposed to their own money) and Beaucoup American and “enemy” Lives (as opposed to their own lives) trying to keep them in Corporate Slavery.

    They should be ashamed but they aren’t. May I suggest Honduras for you, darling? Of course the “Free” New Puppet Government won’t tolerate you using your “free speech” for anything other than what they tell you to say.

    But don’t worry none, their Puppet Dictatorship “blank check” is about to bounce, because your Warmonger Corporate Government HERE has made America into a bankrupt nation as well. So they won’t be able to support any other Puppet Regimes.

  5. GB is my hero and I’m glad he made me and others aware of what’s going on with this president and the people around him.

  6. Sounds like the Twilight ZONE……….

    Are you people on drugs???????????

    My word sounds like some pretty unhappy people.

  7. Yeah, somebody would have to be CRAZY not to love being ruled over by such Loving and Benevolent Dictators like your corporate Masters. If one isn’t “happy” living as a slave then he Simply MUST be on Drugs or something. Judy, you sound like a bubble-headed cliche Rich Bitch.

    “How DARE those Peasants not like working for their entire lives and gaining less money than Daddy gives me in allowance for a year?!?! They simply MUST be on drugs!”

    You should stop doing that because you demean all women, speaking as their self-anointed representative, and you demean all Americans the same way.

    If you’re going to speak for all of us, or attempt to, and condemn those of us who don’t allow you that privilege, you should at least TRY to sound a little more intelligent. My GOD, wench, don’t they have public schools wherever it is you live?

    Perhaps you should have some kind of historic perspective… in 1969, anybody of Limited Means who managed to graduate High School and not have the money to go on to College was given a rating of 1A. That means first to go when the Draft visits the Working Class neighborhood in which you live. “My Word” what an exciting adventure that would be, to go to VietNam or Laos or Cambodia or some other nation against whom the United States had never declared War, so they could spill the blood of other Poor people in other lands to keep the Rich Bitch overlords in America surrounded by nothing but the Happy Smiling faces of their servants, people who are so very happy to bring your expensive meals to you, to provide you with a hairdo and manicure that would feed and pay the rent for an entire family in some of the Working Class neighborhoods.

    That WOULD be an ever so wonderful adventure! Why oh why would somebody NOT want to do that for sweet little ol’ you?
    Especially if you offer to pay them 150 Whole Dollars a month for going on such an adventure! Like a Camporee only getting PAID to go! And of course have people shooting at them because the Other People don’t want you running their country for your profit.

    And the miners, how very special that they would offer to dig out pretty rocks for you! And any who insist on getting paid what it costs them to produce such labor, why, they’re just Unhappy Drug Addicted Whiners!

    Guards! Guards! Take these Naughty PEASANTS away!

  8. Brother Jonah,

    You need to read the US Constitution and get a good history book. While the military-industrial-political complex is a grave danger tell me how by using constitutional law it constitutes treason. Or do you even know what the word treason means in the legal context?

    And how did the US lose in Algeria, Grenada, or Ireland? I do know we were betrayed by the liberal press in Vietnam but that’s another story. Now that, along with John Kerry’s actions may well have constituted treason in the constitutional meaning of the word, to say nothing of Speaker Pelosi’s violation of the Logan Act.

    As for Free Speech, can I assume you count Dorhn’s and Ayer’s complicity in the murder of at least four people as acts of free speech? Do you really believe that Cass Sunstein and Obama believe in freedom of speech? Do you believe Obama and his czars champion a democratic Republic under the rule of Constitutional Law any more than Bush did? Do you believe that the Obama/Reid/Pelosi triumvirate is using it’s own money to achieve its radical socialist agenda? Oh, I forgot, Mr. Obama is using his own money to suppress access to his records lest they prove he’s not eligible to be president.

    So quit the puerile revolutionary rhetoric and learn how to debate in a cogent erudite manner.

  9. Brother Jonah.
    You are so right about the military complex and the going to other countrys. You are very wrong about thinking socialism is what we will actually get. These people running this country and the last half dozen presidents were all involved in taking over the world. They are using our military like they own it and the people are nothing more than waste. We need to leave all nations at this time. Think of the money it would save. Obama will never in a million years do this. He is the puppet figure running this country from the likes of Papa Bush. This country will burn before it will be peaceful again. I advise you to study the NWO. It is the leading ring of thugs and terrorist. Muslims have been made the villian to occupy the US while they destroy the banks. The Muslims are a Victim in this although their are plenty of evil ones. Obama is very evil and if you would stop thinking republicans or democrats you could see this. they have been the same party for the last 100 or more years slowly tearing down our society. Stop blaming the people who want to rebuild this nation. Capalism works fine if you dont have theifs in the mix.

  10. Well, in Grenada, what did you WIN? Nothing. You got a diversion from the Reagan fast-shuffle over his operatives selling arms to the people who allegedly bombed the Marine compounds in Beirut.
    How’d that work out for you Imperial Storm-troopers? You think you won anything there? Then why do you have your Puppet Regime in Tel Aviv attack them still? Either you like murdering the people of Lebanon or you quite simply can’t control them, so you have them murdered.

    Algeria, you backed the Colonial government and lost. Before VietNam. My father fought there, and the U.S., like the French, don’t run Algeria.
    The “insurgents” are now the government of Algeria.

    In Ireland, the U.S. government backed the British. Does it bit your balls that the Irish Republican Army are now the official government of Ireland? Tough shit, punk.

    The Queen, nowadays, what does she rule? Scotland is on the verge of declaring independence, same as Ireland did. Ireland refused to back George Bush’s war. I bet that bites your Fascist balls too.

    And Grenada re-elected the leaders the PEOPLE of Grenada had chosen for themselves and who the Great White Father In Washington decided weren’t good enough, and the PEOPLE not smart or educated enough to be allowed the FREEDOM to choose their own Leaders.
    The Medical Schools your Great Hero Reagan liberated? Still there, still run by Cuba, still cranking out very good doctors who provide more medical care for the Carib and the MesoAmerican nations than American or British Corporations do.

    So what did you “win” in Grenada?

    The murders you assert Bill Ayers committed, not proven were they? Seems you forgot a little part of constitutional law.
    Or maybe the “Guilty until proven innocent” rule you fantasize in the Constitution comes into play?

    Bush and Rove and company committed treason, they Betrayed The American People, they LIED to unlawfully start a war, a war in which thousands of American soldiers and an uncounted number of “enemy” Civilians were Murdered. For the profit of the Treasonous Bush Regime. Rove, Bush, Cheney and Libby MURDERED them and so did any of their other accomplices.
    In doing that they’ve set the stage for the destruction of the United States.

    Rove and Libby acted in collusion to murder informants under the caseload of Valery Plame Wilson by “outing” her cover organization as a CIA front. Sure, the AMERICANS got out, but how many of the informants, the ones who break bread with al Qa’eda and Taliban, societies that don’t have prisons, and punish betrayal with death… how many of them survived? The ones who were working on behalf of what they thought of as “America”? In a tantrum because of exposure of LIES told by the Bush Administration to start and maintain two murderous wars for conquest.
    Now those wars are costing so much of our economy that we effectively don’t have one anymore. China and Russia are in a position to Bitch-slap the American Financial Empire.

    Too bad you only get YOUR information from PIG sources.
    I learned early that your Police and Courts and Military LIE and do it with regularity.

    Bradley Manning published the Truth, and your PIG government is more concerned that it was published than the FACT that the information is true. And you dare call yourself a patriot. Do the first and only honorable thing in your life, put your service issue pistol in your mouth and squeeze the trigger.
    Yet you insist that we take the word of Proven Liars such as them in any case? You Police State types are incapable of telling the truth. What will you do, have me beaten again, while handcuffed, in order to “prove” to me what worthy and honest and righteous fellows You Coward PIGS are? Ecce, you’re an accomplished LIAR just like the rest of your Pig brethren. That must mean you’re equally as cowardly as they are.

    As for Mr Obama winning a fair election, YOU FASCIST MURDERING LYING BITCHES LOST. 70 Million Americans voted against your Hate Agenda. Get over it, PUSSY!
    My picture’s near the top corner of the page, bitch. Not hiding in any way, how ’bout you and your Pussy Pig Comrades? What you gonna do, have you pussy-ass Minutemen bust into my house like you had them do the Flores family? Where you Cowards murdered AMERICANS including a 9 year old CHILD?
    Damn, why do you Right Wing Types like to target CHILDREN?
    Babykilling Freak.

  11. As for the second, Capitalism is built on a promise and premise of a never ending upward spiral. A pyramid scheme. It assumes a steadily increasing value and a steadily increasing level of resources. Something that’s physically impossible. That puts it at the level of being run by thieves automatically.

    And no, I don’t think America will survive long enough to go Socialist. The Capitalists and Militarists have sealed our fate as a sovereign nation.

    All the wealth in America is based on theft, every square inch of land that belongs to “us” or more realistically, the wealthiest, is taken at gunpoint. Every oilfield, banana plantation, etc, in other countries, same way. Not just stolen, taken at gunpoint and, since people don’t take being robbed easily, it was also taken with much Murder.

    In that respect, Capitalism depends on Militarism not only to back it up, but as it’s foundation. The only way the Rich in America could have gotten the resources to build “their” wealth was to have it taken forcibly from the original owners. Where’s the defense of the property rights of those who the Army dispossessed in favor of their Rich Masters? WHERE?

    Certainly not from the Corporate Whores who call it “liberty” to have their Army take the resources for the benefit of their Corporate Masters. What of the Liberty and Right to Life of those people? Where are your Capitalist militia fighting for THEIR rights? Oh, yeah, that’s right, in Arivaca invading the home of the Flores family. The AMERICAN Flores family.

    Neither your TeaBag nor your Minutemen Racist Coward Pukes will admit that though.
    Too bad you want to be in the company of cowards and liars.

  12. Yo, Brother Jonah:

    So I take it your solution is to destroy freedom in the name of overthrowing the bourgeoius miltarists\capitalist pigs. Do you think you can survive such a violent upheaval. are you you willing to spill your blood to put a Dictator over all of what’s left??

    God Help You Man!!

  13. The ones who already destroyed freedom in the name of making money from the labor and robbed properties of others, right?

    How much freedom did your pig system give to Iraq? The freedom to grovel to your corporate masters. Same “freedom” you grudgingly allow anybody in America.

    You should keep the name of God out of your Lying arrogant mouth, pig.
    As for revolutions, I don’t advocate them. YOU do.

    The coward ass fake-revolution of the TeaBags included, but real revolutions don’t arise from the pen or the actions of rabble rousers or actual fighters. They come as a reaction to state imposed terrorism. Such as the Corporate Government imposes on every nation, in the name of making a few rich.
    Your Militarists now insist that every nation on the earth bow before them.

    That’s what Gordon Brown and Tony Blair recently boasted of, they knew well that the “WMDs” were a deception, and that they weren’t ever interested in a “free” Iraq or a free Afghanistan. In the case of Iraq it was decided long before 9/11 that they would remove Saddam Hussein from power and murder him because he didn’t bow down before your Mighty System.

    You want to talk your stupid shit about people advocating violence, in America and against Americans, in order to KEEP the Imperial ball rolling, go talk to your Coward Bitch Republican and TeaParty activists.

    The ones who carry guns to their rallies to try and intimidate anybody who dares stand against them.
    The ones who are KNOWN baby-killers.
    The ones who incited the Murder of the American CHILDREN Briseña Flores and Alyanna Jones
    Talk to the Minutemen-enabling Colorado, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico Murdering Police who helped set the scene and are letting the guilty go unpunished in the Murder of 9 year old Briseña.
    Talk to the Detroit PIGS who murdered 7 year old Alyanna.

    Go talk to the Oakland PIGS about forcing an American to lay on the pavement and then shooting him in the back.

    That’s who you corporate WHORES should be protesting. But are you? Fuck no! Because you’re cowards.

    Not just physically and morally, but intellectually as well. Most of you Retards who spewed your vomit here get your information from Known Liars. The Military and Police and other nodes of the Corporate Machine. Your Minutemen and TeaBags sure as hell do.
    See the TeaBags prancing around screaming about a revolution they want to start in order to KEEP the murdering system of theft and conquest? The system that has eaten itself and plunged America into an Abyss.

    They, like you, take the name of God and mouth the words Freedom to justify their evil.
    But their god is Money (capitalism), and the god of forces (militarism). The freedom you stupid bitches babble about is merely the freedom to do what you’re told when you’re told.

    And the freedom for your masters to impose that on anybody they see fit, and if the people resist in any way, you Morons call them “terrorists”. Because that’s what your Masters tell you to say. And like a good little capitalist doggie, you’ll always do and say exactly what your Masters tell you.

    Lick them boots, BOY! Slurp slurrppp slurrrrrrrppppp!
    The Big Boss Man will throw you a bone for a reward.

  14. Here’s a short primer on the folly of Radical Right Wing Terrorism

    Of course, destroying the economy of the world repeatedly and killing literally millions doesn’t compare at all with an accusation of 4 deaths attributed to a group who never held political or economic power. It would be silly to think that such actions could be as Heinous as those of which the Weathermen were accused.

    The Manson Family were convicted of fewer than 10 murders, and were sentenced to death. Later commuted on a Supreme Court ruling about the use of the Death Penalty, but those convicted will die in prison.

    George W Bush and his Killer Komrades murdered thousands of U.S. Servicemen alone, not counting the OTHER victims of his war crimes. Not even served a moment in handcuffs.
    So who are the REAL terrorists again?

  15. Incidentally, Ecce… the prosecutor in the Manson Family case, Vincent Bugliosi, not a Liberal in any sense of the word…

    Why not take your retarded screed to him and perhaps rail on him for stupidly writing up a charge of Mass Murder and Serial Murder against George W Bush?

    Demand that he accept your versions of History and the Constitution, provided by your RightWing Propaganda Division, as the true and only definition of Treason.

    Maybe take a few of your TeaParty Morons with you for support, they can stand on his lawn and chant their retarded slogans.

  16. If socialism is what you guys want, why don’t you check out the countries that already have it and see how it is or isn’t working? The prosperous peoples of the word live in the USA which is not socialist folks. Socialism reduces everyone to pesants and slaves to a dictatorial government.

  17. the only good thing about this agenda that I can see is that the people who bring about the change are usually the first group to be exterminated when the dictator has a strong hold. Unfortunately that will be too late for the rest of us.

  18. We don’t own any stuff as Glenn said, the Government owns your home, and everything in it along with your car even if you have it paid for. The best way to “Take America Back” is to go for Land Patents, Allodial Titles and become Tax exempt. Keep the money in your pocket and take the government out of control by making your property Private and no longer obligated to the government. Check it out Allodial Titles… History in the making and yours for the taking.

  19. Norman, Cindy, you and the rest of the Fox News Volunteer Propagandists aren’t Pathological Liars. Far from it.
    Pathological Liars can’t help but lie. Fox and their disciples are Trained Liars. That’s a hideous Distinction.
    The Truly RETARDED LIES you chickenshit chickenhawk bullshit artist BITCHES keep propagating stem from the same well as the “Million Pounds of Nerve Gas” Saddam was supposedly shuffling around Baghdad.

    You retarded punks have collectively not only destroyed Capitalism but also the economy and ecology of the entire world. YOU and your sort are the reason for starvation and disease and War throughout the world. Your agenda best fits that described by Saints Peter, Paul and John as the spirit of Antichrist.

    And by the way, I’ve seen the rumble of “well, WE (meaning the soldiers and cops you cowards use to do your fighting for you) gave YOU freedom of speech”
    Another Lie, but here’s a kicker you Retards obviously haven’t thought of. Eric has given YOU freedom to promote your Right Wing Racist Hate agenda here, on a website HE pays for. Literal Free Speech. Can you get the strength to force it out of the depths of your Satanic gut-twisting Hatred to admit even that?

    I bet you can’t.

    Meanwhile you’ll be at your Fake Revolution “TeaParty” patting your fellow Moronic Cowards on the back about how Brave you are to stand up for the Rich Bitches who rob YOU every bit as much as they do anybody else in the world.

    Norman, Cindy, Lick Yo’ Massa’s Boots, Boy (and girl)! Lick them real Good! Slurrrpp Slurrrppppp sluuuuurrrrrrppp!

    After all, Your Corporate Masters gave you the freedom to speak unless of course you disagree with their policies.

  20. Comments to B. Jonah: Your hate is so awful and so low class! I can’t call you brother! I feel sorry for you because with that much hate in your heart, you may lose your soul! If you and those you “love” would spend more time loving people instead of hating, you might even have peace. I do feel very sorry for you. It seems you have no place to vent your hate than in this forum. I know my words will not change your heart, just as Pharoah did not change his heart until God finally got his attention. Then he let the people go. I would hope and pary that you might give your knees a chance to help you find a better way of life. It is never too late.

  21. To BJ Jonah-Hole:

    I now have the eviedence and I’m spreadingit to every voter in the country. We’re gonna throw you commie fags right the hell out of D.C. !!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

  22. Yeah, yeah yeah… I get the point you’ve beaten to death and beyond, you’re upset that a Man who is half-Black was elected in a FAIR election by a three to two margin. Too BAD. Get over it.
    If you’re going to oppose Barack Obama as president, first get somebody besides the Racist Jackasses you ran against him last time. Try not to make his skin color or relatives the reason you hate him. Many Liberals and Anarchists and even people who actually agree with the Weathermen don’t like him because his policies are continuing those of George Bush. That would be a better talking point and a lot less Retarded than the bullshit about a birth certificate. I was born in Topeka KANSAS a year before he was, and I Don’t Have My Original Birth Certificate Either

    As for the Jerome Korsi Klux Klan wannabees, if Barack Obama is going to spend 7 billion a month on a war, why would he pony up what would amount to a hundredth of a percent of that on trying to “suppress” the retards who keep hounding the State of Hawaii for a birth certificate?
    70 MILLION Americans voted for him and what would happen, pray tell, O Stupid Ones, if you actually had him turned out of Office like you say? Huh? Joe Biden would be President. Not Sarah Palin like you drool-factory morons expect.

    I would ask you to review your “facts” logically but what would be the point? You’re thinking Conspiracy Dogma. Not even “theory” because a Theory would be Plausible.
    The scenario you’re promoting is that in 1962, when President Obama was born IN HAWAII STUPID, the Immigration Law was that if a baby is born to an American Citizen, either Father or Mother, that child is an American Citizen.

    With me so far? What possible reason would Momma Obama (I’ve been waiting three years to put that into a sentence) have for insisting that her Already American Citizen Child be born in any Arbitrarily Assigned Geopolitical Region?
    There are TWO jobs in the entire WORLD that require a person to be born in the United States. One is Vice President of the United States. That’s because (unlike Sarah Palins stupid idea of what the job is) The Job Of Vice President Is To Become President Should The President Not Be Able To Carry Out His Duties.

    Now, we’re talking 1962.
    Do you realize what America was like in 1962? Your Right Wing Lunatic Fringe Conspiracy Dogmatists were screaming that the Presidency of John F Kennedy was illegal because he was CATHOLIC and 13 of the United States had laws prohibiting Blacks or “colored” from marrying Whites, Having Sex with Whites, drinking from the same water fountains as Whites, using the same restrooms as Whites… VOTING… and in many places running for any public office.

    What makes you think that anybody, especially the Recently added State of Hawaii, would engage in a conspiracy to hide the birth-place of somebody who, whether or not you like that, Was Already An American Citizen?

    Do you Morons ever take a break from stupidity and try to God-Damn THINK?

    Further you pull from somebody’s Rectal Orifice the idea that when he was SIX years old he was responsible for the deaths of 4 people who probably, (considering all sources including the originals) weren’t killed by the weather underground in the first place.

    You keep insisting that “changes” which aren’t even in effect, are somehow responsible for the past decade worth of America being dragged to the toilet, cut up into little bitty pieces and flushed one by one down the drain.

    You stupid bastards get Free Speech here, you realize that, right? I mean seriously, if Eric ever stopped any of you from posting, you’d go apeshit, run to the Fox News forums and scream about being “censored”.

    Bullshit. Rupert Murdoch and whoever else is paying the bills at Fox, and it ain’t advertising revenue, that would mean “ratings” and you don’t have them… but whoever is buying the air time at Fox Nutwerx and paying for the internet forums Fox uses, they give you PLENTY of time on the air and on the internet to spout your gibberish.

    They’ve been using a lot of that NOT FREE airtime to promote and organize the TeaBags. Do you really believe that the TeaBags would have the money to promote and organize themselves if it weren’t for having some Very Rich Sugardaddies? Because I sure as Hell don’t.

    The airtime alone over the past year has cost Murdoch and whatever shadow investors almost a billion dollars.

    Some “grass roots” organization you got there.
    But, every one of you calls me a “hater” and “evil” and “stupid” because I’m not Dumb Enough to believe people, like Fox and like YOU, who have been consistently LYING to the American People and the rest of the world.

    How ’bout that Million Pounds of nerve gas? And then when Plame-Wilson disputes the claim they “accidentally” leak information that would get any Arab or Persian or North African or Indian Subcontinent informant to Ms Plame Wilsons cover company KILLED. Some really Quality Folks you kids get your information from. Yep. I bet you let them Eat errr… Teach Sunday School to your children.

    You stupid bastards might as well. You’re feeding your kids to their machine, and my kids, and your grandkids and my grandkids…

  23. P.S. …killer commie…
    If you’re going to get “the word” to every voter in America then you’ll need money. Fox News pays people to lie for them, especially on the Racist Anti-Obama front.
    See, there are people on the left who don’t like Obama.
    But, unlike you Racist Right WingNuts, they don’t make race an issue. And by the way, Immigration Issues is a Fascist code word for Racism.

    Just thought I’d let you know. Fox will say they don’t practice anti-Immigrant Racism, but they once again LIE. Many of their listeners repeat the Lies like the good little Fascist Doggies they truly are. They repeat it until they believe it and then for hours a day afterward just because the shit Fox feeds them is the only thing they’re any longer CAPABLE of thinking, far less saying.

    But we’re not YOU. And you should know, just in all honesty, that hiding your bullshit behind codewords isn’t actually hiding it. But the odor gives it away.
    Kind of like a puppy shitting in the closet and expecting nobody to know.

  24. we will study this document. then we can discuss this with other people.

  25. The document was put out in 1969. It’s been a long while.
    The Weathermen retired from Revolution less than 5 years later.
    The one the Right Wingnuts keep babbling about is a college professor. The words the Weathermen used to define what they saw as right in a struggle, are mirrors and echoes of the words that are told to United States Military and, really, to the recruits of EVERY military in the world, as to how it’s right and moral to kill people. The Weathermen bombed property, not people.
    And warned people to stay away from where the explosions were to happen.
    The U.S. Military bombed PEOPLE, and lots of them. They still do.
    People who feel no remorse over sending an automated drone to kill a “target” halfway around the world and anybody nearby, they really have no moral base to condemn the bombings, announced beforehand, of recruitment offices, military suppliers, and police-state apparatus.

    When the Air Force bombs a place, they don’t warn the people to not be home when the bomb hits, they’d prefer the people to be home when it happens. There’s even a sick almost-logic to killing the children and other family of the “target”…

    Think about it, if your dad were killed by some anonymous coward in Nevada or Nebraska, would you LOVE the organization that sent the bomb around? So if they kill the brothers and sisters and children of the Other People they’re targeting, so much the “better”. More Babies killed means fewer coming back to hunt down the Anonymous Coward a generation later.
    There’s a quote that’s attributed to Colorado Militia Col Chivington. “nits make lice”. From the Sand Creek Massacre.

    It might be a misquote but the sentiment is definitely one of Col Chivingtons. And many other Military Strategists to follow, for generations.

    That’s a pretty sad commentary to make regarding ones countrymen. But it’s true. A REAL patriot would be saddened and dismayed that his country excuses the killing of innocents, in order to kill somebody without trial, with no proof of guilt on his part save for the word of the Anonymous Coward who guides the Drone and the equally anonymous Coward who orders him to do so.

    The Military who have told us so many lies, now are telling us that we have to believe any lie we tell us or we’re equally guilty of 9/11.
    Depend on the words of people who boast of Treachery, Deceit and Murder? Not I. Yet I’m counted a Moron and a Hater for saying that.

    That’s why they’re permitted to post here. When they post the same things on their own weblogs, and on their own forums and in their “talk shows”, anybody who refutes those arguments is immediately censored, their words drowned out and then washed away.

    They boast that they gave us Freedom of Speech. And here, They ARE given free speech. Let their words of hatred and contempt condemn them.

    If there were a noble law passed, to enhance public safety by identifying and registering Dangerously Stupid and Hate-filled People, force them to wear some kind of easily seen and recognized mark… it would be a civil rights and civil liberties disaster.
    Allow them free speech, and they proudly and loudly proclaim their ignorance, hatred and stupidity. Problem solved.

  26. This “manifesto” is likely a copy of the communist manifesto. I am looking into the the both of them and they seem to have the same message. My favorite part is the fact that while the communist document ends with, “WORKING MEN OF ALL COUNTRIES, UNITE!” The end of the weatherman manifesto is, “Long Live the Victory of People’s War!” The similarity is that the latter is a follow-up of the other and it shows clearly that communist party has been continued under a new name. I am no genius, but as long as i can remember, the U.S.S.R was one of the most murderous governments of all time slaughtering more than NAZI Germany and most of those people were citizens. If killing your own countrymen is not treason, I honestly cannot say what is.

  27. “If killing your own countrymen is not treason, I honestly cannot say what is.”

    BINGO! Your Capitalist Warmongers killed more Americans than all other Nations COMBINED!
    That was just the Civil War. Add in that most of the Americans killed in the Revolution, on both sides, were killed by AMERICANS, not the British. The usual accounting of American Corporate Militarists slaughtering AMERICANS don’t even call into play the Union members slaughtered at the Public Expense and using Army guns held by Army soldiers. Nor the literally uncounted American Indians killed to give you Murderous FUCKS the property you say is “yours by right”. What right is that, Right of Conquest?

    Nor the 50,000 American soldiers APIECE in VietNam and Korea, or those killed in seizing and maintaining the Banana Republics under a permanent Corporate Dictatorship.

    Which brings forth another point… the lands the Soldiers were seizing for their Rich Masters, if the Rich Masters had actual hegemony over those lands and the “workforce”… the PEOPLE in those lands which were held in Corporate Slavery by threat of and actual use of United States Military Violence, they would be what? Since you don’t consider them American Citizens, perhaps you just consider them to be property as much as you consider their lands to be your Corporate Property?

    Slaves, in other words. Your “own” people in the full sense of the words, people you “own”. So when your “own” people rebelled against your Corporate Ownership of their lands and their labor and their very lives, that means YOUR Corporate Owned but Publicly Funded Army were killing “your own people”. So let’s take that into account, or are you so Demon-possessed with HATRED that you won’t even entertain such a notion?
    What’s the matter, Right Wing? Too morally and intellectually cowardly to Think For Yourself.

    That’s not a question, thus, no question mark, just a period.

    Then there’s the current wars, started with and maintained with pure Corporate Lies. The Army even uses the same Advertising (if it were a communist nation you would call it “propaganda”) Corporations who sell us Coca-Cola and McDonalds and WalMart, to sell us the War. To tell us Lies not in the least limited to “A million pounds of Nerve Gas”, but constant lies, DAILY Lies, to keep the war momentum rolling.

    The same ones Exposed by Bradley Manning. And defended by the Pentagon and other Corporate Welfare organizations as “necessary”… Necessary for WHAT?
    Why, to keep up an Imperial War for the Profits of Their Corporate Masters.

    “unnecessary”, I get the feeling from your Right Wing sourced so called “facts” that you can’t HONESTLY say anything.

    By the way, you published a “fact” that’s sourced from the American Nazi Party, about Russia. And doesn’t count in the 70 MILLION Russians slaughtered by the Nazis. Nor the numbers of Nazi slave-soldiers who died following the orders of THEIR Corporate Owners. That skews the count a little.

    But since it’s not simple arithmetic using figures provided by your Masters, and won’t fit on a bumper sticker, you’ll not even try to understand it, nor will the next ten or eleven or however many who will post the same Retarded Slogans and same Retarded Corporate-provided “information” repeated as though it were actually true, and actually proven.
    The only thing “proven” about is that the sources have a lot to gain if the Wars continue, people including Americans DIE to keep them going, and the Slaves are kept willing to obey their Corporate Masters.
    Lick them boots, BOY! Slurp slurrrrpppp sluuuuurrrrpppppp!

  28. Hello Brother Jonah, I was researching the “Weatherman Manifesto” and came across “Not My Tribe”. I read your responses to people who had commented in what to you appeared to you to be in a less then positive manner.

    Nasty belligerent, hectoring, ridiculing, name calling, mixing the emotional with the truth the half-truth, a typical ploy of the left. The sort of thing employed by J Goebbels, Hilter’s propaganda minister. Please don’t respond with a load of guff about them being facists

    Read the NAZI manifesto and you will see that it had much more in common with the weatherman manifesto than any free market manifesto

    Five minutes research will show some of your facts, to be fiction and opinions base on ignorance. Having said that I wish to comment on three aspects of your responses

    Brother Jonah Said. “In Ireland, the U.S. government backed the British. Does it bit your balls that the Irish Republican Army are now the official government of Ireland? Tough shit, punk.”

    Please define Ireland in the context of your response, please define the Irish Republican Army in the context of your response. Please present the evidence that the US Government gave support to the British in relation to Ireland. Because people of your elk use vague terms unrelated to actual facts or incidents you are able to get away with distortion. Define the terms and present the facts in a cogent manner in order that a proper debate can take place. Name me one member of the Irish Republican army that is in Government north or south of the border.

    Brother Jonah Said. The Queen, nowadays, what does she rule? Scotland is on the verge of declaring independence, same as Ireland did.

    Your ignorance of the British Monarchy and the Constitution is exceeded only by the idea that Ireland declared independence. The UK is a democracy governed by Parliament elected by the people, the Queen has no power to: propose, appose or amend legislation. Ireland did not declare independence, there was a negotiated settlement between these representing the interests of Ireland, (not elected but self appointed). The basis of the agreement was that the six counties of Ulster would remain part other UK and the others would have “Home Rule” Later those self-appointed negotiators fell out and a civil war broke out.

    Scotland on the verge of declaring independence is fiction not fact. Even if the Government of Scotland got every Scot to vote for independence (most unlikely) it could not happen without the repeal of the “Act of Union”. The fact is there are no Scots protesting on the streets for independence.

    Brother Jonah Said. That’s what Gordon Brown and Tony Blair recently boasted of; they knew well that the “WMDs” were a deception, and that they weren’t ever interested in a “free” Iraq or a free Afghanistan

    This statement cannot back up by the evidence. Currently there is a public inquiry taking place on London England. Both Tony Blair and Gordon Brown appeared before it to give evidence. Both said on the intelligence then had received indicated that Iraq had WMDs. Should they ever boast that they were aware that Iraq did not have WMDs they would be put on trial for war crimes. I have seen no evidence to suggest they have never been interested in a free Iraq or a free Afghanistan, present your evidence.

    If you want to write with authority you need to research you evidence and respond in a way that lays out the evidence in and ordered manner and moderate your tone. Failure to do this will lead people to draw the conclusion you are just a bull shitting dick head. I fear your style will not change and that you really are a bull shitting dick head.

  29. The IRA in its manifestations is still listed as a Terrorist Organization. They also didn’t back George Bush’s War Based On Lies in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Since George Bush, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair and the rest of the Thief Cartel have demonstrated by their actions as well as their words that THEY aren’t interested in an “Independent” Afghanistan or Iraq, far less freedom in any way, and have attacked both nations, overthrown the local governments and established Puppet Governments of their own choosing, FORBIDDING both the citizens of Both Countries to vote for anybody on a very long list, they’re shown that they don’t care about the wishes of the PEOPLE of Iraq or Afghanistan.

    The Nazis, like Other Fascists of their time, and later times, had Corporations and Government inextricably linked. That’s the Definition of Fascism.
    Gordon Brown and Tony Blair ARE being investigated on War Crimes. Pay attention to the news. The BBC published the bits about them both saying that Saddam Hussein had to be removed not because of the Mythical WMDs or any desire for a Free Iraq, but because he defied their (imperialistic) New World Order. In doing so they proclaimed themselves leaders or at least spokesmen for the Empire. You might not have noticed, but I did, that they didn’t ask any of US for permission to be our leaders or spokesmen.

    Isn’t the assumption of leadership without the consent of the governed properly defined as “Dictatorship” and isn’t that exactly what the late Mr Hussein and the Taliban are accused of?

    Since Tony Blair, Ben Netanyahu, Gordon Brown, Scooter Libby, Karl Rove, Richard Cheney, George Bush and Bull Shitting Dick Heads like yourself demanded that Afghans PROVE they weren’t involved in 9/11 and that Iraq PROVE that they didn’t have WMDs, before attacking and occupying their countries and MURDERING a hundred times more of their citizens than the about 7000 Americans who they ALSO Murdered with their Blatant Lies, YOU coward ass Chickenshit ChickenHawks owe US a level of proof far greater than the level YOU so Imperiously demanded of Saddam Hussein.So why would I be out of line to demand that you Bullshitting Dickhead PROVE the accusations YOU made to start and to maintain the War?

    Bradley Manning brought forth what would be REAMS of proof if printed out detailing the evidence countering the outrageous LIES that YOU and other Bullshitting Dickheads like yourself keep throwing at us, and rather than dispute the accuracy of these statements, statements made by Bullshitting Dickheads like you in what they thought were perfect secrecy, Statements that PROVE the falsehood of the LIES they told us openly.

    So they throw Bradley Manning in a Military Dungeon, one where they’re KNOWN to torture prisoners and even murder them without trial, not for perpetrating LIES but for telling the Truth. How about it, Bullshitting Dickhead?

    You have had several Hundred Thousand HUMAN BEINGS MURDERED, including 7000+ United States and Coalition soldiers, with your claims, claims that are proven false time and again, yet you insist on further and absolute PROOF?
    YOU are the murderers, YOU owe the world any PROOF.

    You’re a bold liar but not a Brave one. You’re every bit the Coward that George Bush and Richard Cheney are.

  30. An assignment for you Brother Francis: look up DISSEMBLING and PEDANTIC. You attack Jonah with trivial contentions that pretend to refute the broader context. Nope.

    Ireland is still occupied, and I don’t have to differentiate NORTHERN Ireland for readers who want only to quibble.

    The Scots have figured out that their North Sea oil, independent from England, would make Scotland richer than Switzerland.

    Brown and Blair can say they believed the intelligence on WMDs, but it doesn’t mean it’s true.

  31. I don’t know for sure, maybe it’s just their writing style, but I get the impression some of them think WE wrote the Manifesto.

    Extremists, eh. They’ll demand that we not agree with any principle put out by those they consider Terrorists or Evil, and agree themselves with, in the typical words of some of their favorite writers “in principle certain aspects of Fascism or of Hitlers programs or Francos Programs or Mussolinis Program.”

    I wonder, yes I do, if any of these same respondents have issued similar screeds against Berlusconi or Rudi Giuliani?

    The ones who praise Mussolini for his social programs.
    Does their opposition to compromise ever extend that far?
    Or if it does, is their motive for not going after them one of Fear of retribution?

  32. Brother Jonah, after reading your response I can see some good points you have made. However in the civil war the “Capitalist warmongers” were fighting against, well I’m quite sure you could tell me exactly who it was against, right, the slave owners who wanted nothing more than to be separated from anyone who knew that slavery was bad. Lincoln’s “evil imperialist” government only wanted to free the slaves and unless you think slavery is okay you would agree that fighting against it is the right thing to do, even if (regrettably) against your own countrymen. The Korean and Vietnam wars were horrible, a good point you have made, but liberal media betrayed the soldiers fighting there and if you were to ask one of those men you would probably hear that they were not against fighting communism and thought their war was purposeful and honorable. Of course, the LIBERAL media would never let you in on that little secret. Another thing, the united states military is one of the only military’s in the WORLD that is all-volunteer. Oh, an i guess you would be right if the history books were all written by the American Nazi Party. Besides I never said that the Germans didn’t murder millions of Russians nor did i say that the Russians didn’t return the favor and then some. The only point I was trying to make, which you “skewed” very skillfully by the way, was that the communists (which you seem to be very tight with) starved, interrogated, and shot their peasants and working men in an effort to make them fear the government that had been set in place, a government that was the most LEFT wing type of government in existence. Maybe you should do some reading up on the Nazi party which you call fascist, begging the question of why they called themselves the “National Socialist Party.” (socialism is left wing as well)

  33. Something I forgot, we have given back to the American Indians so much. They have amazing health care benefits and casinos making billions of dollars. Would you like to know why we did this, because we saw that it was wrong what had been done to the native people of this land. You’re correct that we have wronged people, but can you tell me of any fascist, socialist or communist country that has had a change of heart and done this much to repay the amazing debt that is owed to someone they had wronged. NO!!!!!

  34. Good Doggie. Bark loud for your Corporate and Military Dictatorship Masters. I’m not even bothering with reading whatever right wing crap you’re spewing. Just another copy of what your masters say on Fox and related media. Including the websites for the Military Industrial Complex.

    See, we’re doing something for YOU and your creepazoid Fellow Volunteer Slaves that Your Military and Right Wing Chickenhawks only CLAIM to have done for us.
    We’re providing you with actual Free Speech and Free Press.

    Now be a nice doggie, lick your Masters’ hands, and boots, and they might let you sleep in the Big House, on the floor with their other pets.

    You really should apply for a job at Fox. Their Top-Star Professional Liars like O’Reilly and Limbaugh actually get into the Billionaire range. Not having to work, never had to go to the wars they say they support… Just sit around spewing their hate, like your current unpaid job. Maybe you really are “unnecessary”.

    Limbaugh actually bought himself a woman to abuse, got married like, what, last month? Just goes to show you that even having a Billion Dollars in the bank isn’t enough to get a woman to look beyond his Slug-like barf-inducing exterior and of course, his inner ugliness that’s much worse… until he’s about ready to die from age and cumulative bad habits.

    Maybe she’s hoping to be a very rich widow soon, and spend the rest of her life counting his money and trying to wash his stench off it and her body.

    Trouble is, the Blood that’s on Limbaugh’s hands, and all over his money, and all over everything the Bush and Cheney families own, ain’t ever going to wash off.

    Do you believe in Purgatory, “unnecessary”? Limbaugh and Hannity and O’Reilly do. A right sorry disgrace to the name of Irish, that lot.

    But if Purgatory exists they’ll maybe get out about 5 minutes before the end of all time. And they’ll be spending the time counting all the money they’ll never be able to enjoy again.

    The sooner the better. I try to like people, really I do. I’ve broken bread with (usually non-professional) murderers and petty thieves, whores and drug addicts and … and… even a few Republicans… Although I don’t like to boast about that last group.

    But some people just are completely unlovable.

    George Bush, for instance, and Richard Cheney, they’re about the best excuse I can think of for the Death Penalty. There’s no way to kill each of them once per Murder they’ve committed, with the willing and almost-able assistance of Right Wing Hatemongers like you and the Fox News Propagandists.

    See, now, I’m a Christian. I firmly believe that the best retribution that WILL come to you murderous fucks is going to happen after your (hopefully drawn out and painful) Deaths.

    In the meantime you can gloat about how thoroughly you’ve destroyed America and the rest of the world, as though that’s an accomplishment worthy of boast. Those pictures of dead babies and the Guantamo Torture videos and the Execution videos you and George Bush like to use as Right Wing Porn for your masturbation sessions… they’ll be showing them to you in Hell and somehow, it won’t seem so God-Damn funny to you then.

  35. Your response was conspicuous in its failure to respond to any of the points on which I was seeking clarification. Moreover you had the audacity to assume I line my self up with George Bush, Gordon Brown and Tony Blair in relation to the Iraq and Afghanistan. This was very remiss of you, not to say slovenly, there was nothing in my correspondence that suggested I supported the invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan. I detect another deliberate ploy to change the argument.

    According to you the definition of fascism is “ Corporations and Government inextricably linked”. This could just as easily describe socialism since the government, is dictatorial, and owns all the means of production, distribution and exchange.

    Like many of you coterie you been conned by supporters of the political left into believing that the NAZI party of Germany in the 1930s and 40s where fascist. Let me explain the abbreviation NAZI is a corruption of NSDAP or National Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or in English National Socialist German Workers-party. Have you got that Jonah socialist workers party. While I am not saying the NAZI manifestos was perfect, it promoted ideas which are an anathema to me, it does have some ideas that line up very well with the weathermen manifestos. Let me give you a few examples and you tell me if they having anything in common with the Weatherman manifestos.

    All citizens must have equal rights and obligations

    The fist duty of al fellow citizens must be to work, either physically or mentally. The actions of the individual must not run contrary to the general interest and must have consideration for the common good.

    With regard to the physical and personal sacrifice which all wars demand of the people, personal enrichment by means of war must be seen as a crime against the nation. Therefore we demand the collection of all wartime profits.

    We demand the nationalisation of all publicly owned companies.

    We demand profit sharing from privately owned companies.

    We demand that generous improvements be made in the old age pension system.

    We demand property reform, which is in line with our requirements, and the creation of a law which would allow the confiscation without compensation if it were in the general interest of the nation. We demand the abolition of all ground rent and the abolition of all property speculation.

    We demand an all out battle against those who damage the common interest by their actions, profiteers, racketeers etc. Should be punished by death regardless of religion or race.

    Just like the weathermen the NAZI had a plan to inculcate their ideas into the gullible and inexperience youth, they called it the Hitler Youth Movement, membership for them was compulsory.

    You say G Brown and T Blair are being investigated on war crimes, but fail to say who is doing the investigation, I want to know and so do thousands like me, tell us were are all agog? Why would their need to be an investigation if as you say “ that recently boasted of; they new well that the WMDS were a deception, and they weren’t ever interested in a free Iraq or free Afghanistan? Doesn’t such a boast count as admission of guilt? To say that both GB and TB are being investigated for war crime did not answer my question. Where the evidence for such a boast, to who was it made, when was it made, to whom was it made, did they do it together or separately? You introduce the idea that GB and TB were being investigated as a ploy to deflect attention from the fact you failed to answer the question.

    T Blair did not go war on the basis that regime change was necessary; he would not have had the support of Parliament for such an act. He told Parliament that Saddam had WMDs that could be ready in 45 minutes to attack the UK.

    Don’t get the idea that I supported the invasion of Iraq, I certainly am not, but I am a supporter of the truth. T Blair would not know the truth even to himself.

    As I mention in my previous correspondence there is public inquiry going now regarding the Iraq war and has been for sometime into the fact surrounding the UKs entry into the invasion of Iraq. TB and GB have both given evidence neither boasted that they were aware that Saddam did not have WMDs, both said the went to war for the reasons stated above. Should the BBC ever publish such a boast without being prefixed with the word alleged they would be sued for defamation of character, be found guilty and forced to pay an enormous sum in compensation. If you want me and others to believe you point us to the exact time, and location of the publication. I think is part of your ploy to make outrageous statement hoping the gullible will believe you, just another ploy of people of your coterie.

    What are you doing referring to the New World Order, Proclaiming they as leader of the Empire? Empire what Empire? They did not ask any of US to be our leaders or Spokesperson. What are talking about, more irrelevant gobbledegook aimed at deflecting the questions.

    In my questions to you I did not mention the Mr Hussein or the Taliban, yet another deflection ploy. But since you have brought it up, Saddam Hussein was a dictator who took power by force, eliminating his rivals. Holding on to power by oppressing the people. The Taliban are a disparate Islamic group fighting to enforce their particular brand of Islam, misguided I think but fighting for their beliefs. Once again of you go at a tangent so that you don’t have to answer the question.

    Once again without any evidence you assign to me a views and actions that I made demands the Afghans PROVE they were innocent of involvement in 9/11 I made no such demands. You do me an extreme disservice, the list of people you link me with, I see as self-serving, not fit to hold public office.

    It is impertinent for you to accuse me in being complicit in murdering the citizen of any country on the basis of my correspondence. I took no part in starting or maintaining any wars in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    I am sure like me most of your readers have not read anything produce by Bradley Manning and for you to seek, to use it here shows your lack of understanding between evidence and hearsay. Produce some firsthand examples of what he actually produced with the sources of his information.

    Again you attribute to me something that you could not possible know from my correspondence. That is, a supporting role in Bradley Manning being held in jail or as you more colourfully put it in a dungeon without trial and possible tortured. I am a great believer in habeas corpus that is nobody should incarcerate without access to the courts to determine guilt or innocence. But then the land of the free has history going back more 150 years locking people without trial torture including recently “extraordinary rendition”. Flying people around the world to incarcerate and torture.

    You say I have made claims, claims that have proven false time and again. I have made no claim in my correspondence with you; it is a figment of your imagination that’s not to say a lie. Lying and ridicule is part of your stock in trade. If person is accused of murder the courts demand proof beyond reasonable doubt and I demand nothing less from you.

    In my correspondence I ask you to substantiate three statements you made, you failed, then attempt to smear me as a, bold but not brave liar and a coward. Jonah you are all mouth and trousers a man without substance a popinjay of the political con man. You ignore questions asked and answer question that have not been asked the oldest trick of your coterie. You lie in the hope that those who read your twaddle will believe it without checking the facts another trick of your coterie. You are a contemptible little man who styles himself on Joseph Goebbels chief propagandist of the NAZI party

    No change here then, if you can’t put a cogent argument together utilise belligerent, hectoring, ridiculing and name calling style. The last resort of the bar room bully. That whale that regurgitated you has got a lot to answer for, whale watchers around the world have heard apologising for such a grave error of judgement. Tell us where is the sewer you refer to as home, away and boil your head!

  36. Comment from Eric 31.07.10

    Hello Eric, let start by say I am aware of the meaning of PEDANTIC and DISSEMBLING.

    Sometimes Eric it is necessary to be pedantic when one is seeking the fact from the fiction and the truth from the lie. I was merely challenging three assertion made by Jonah.

    That is, Gordon Brown and Tony Blair boasted of; they new well that “WMDs” were a deception, and that the weren’t interested in a free Iraq or a free Afghanistan. I know of no such boast. TB persuaded Parliament that Iraq had WMDs that could set up to attack the UK within 45 Minutes. He may or may not concealed this, his real goal being regime change.

    There has for sometime in London an Inquiry into the event surrounding the UKs entry into the invasion of Iraq. Both TB and GB gave evidence in publicly broadcasted by the BBC TV. Both said they went war on the basis Iraq having WMDs. Both also said they went to war on the basis of advice from their intelligence service.

    What Jonah was did was character assassination without evidence. One needs to be pedantic when blatant assertions are made without evidence.

    I am no supporter of the Iraq or Afghan war or of Tony Blair or Gordon Brown, if I had to characterise this pair them dissembling is just one of the adjectives I would use.

    The IRA are now the official Government of Ireland says Jonah this is simply not true. I asked him to name one member of the IRA who was member of the Irish Government, so far he has been unable to does so. One needs to be pedantic when dealing with liars.

    Scotland is on the verge of declaring independence says Jonah, another lie. I merely pointed out to him that his knowledge of the British constitution was less than perfect.

    None of this I did for the benefit of Jonah but for the benefit his readers.

    With regard to the points you raised:

    Just how rich is Switzerland? A figure to the nearest 10 Billion will suffice.

    You may not want to quibble, I wanted only to point out the difference to readers.
    What do you mean Eric Ireland is occupied please explain for the benefit of the readers?

    Or maybe you think my questions are to pedantic!

  37. The truth is coming out, the truth is hurting your war “cause” by exposing your motives in the war. Your War is one of conquest by American and Coalition military might to further enrich the richest people on earth. As usual.

    Bush is a liar, Blair and Brown are LIARS, warmongering pigs who make money from the shed blood of others, both the ones they have slaughtered on the “enemy” side and the ones who have been killed in action accomplishing that slaughter.

    YOU, by defending it, owe US proof of what you say, not the other way round.
    YOU Pigs started the war, with LIES, pure and simple. There was plenty of evidence, all of it good evidence, that Iraq did NOT have WMDs.
    Unless you’re saying the CIA, Surete, MI6, and Mossad are truly incompetent and unable to see a LIE being perpetrated by their top officials.

    Which is it, that YOUR side is Very Stupid or that YOUR side is Very Dishonest?

    And now you want to tie in the 41 year old link to a very independent organization that bombed property instead of people. What hubris. There’s a Jewish word for that, Chutzpah.
    You wish to piss on our legs and tell us it’s raining, and you take that one step further, telling us that if we refuse to believe the “raining” theory then WE are guilty of some heinous offense.

    You enhance your Chutzpah-hubris by racist attacks on Barack Obama. Tying in your favorite rants about Immigrants sullying the Purity of the English Nation of America. Screw that. You dumbass freaks did that many times before. Your White Anglo Saxon Protestant “superiority” theories can’t survive questioning, and now, according to the Pentagon’s Robert Gates (Eric, please fix that link if it doesn’t work, it’s supposed to point to an AP story about Gates’ comments today), your blatantly dishonest reasons for starting and maintaining the War in Afghanistan and Iraq can’t handle criticism and especially the TRUTH.

    That’s why you coward bitches want to have Specialist Bradley Manning KILLED for exposing the TRUTH.

    Francis, you’re not asking questions. You’re making demands that we believe the bullshit lies your side puts out without US asking any questions.

    That’s the “pedantic” part.

    What will YOU, personally, do if we don’t believe your bullshit lies and continue to oppose your War Conquest and subjugation of the Afghan and Iraqi people?

    And, as to the English putting sword and gun to the throats of the Irish and Scots to force them into their “united” kingdom, they did that to the Lords the English Crown had forced onto the Scots and Irish in previous invasions and conquests. The Irish and Scots PEOPLE were not consulted in the grand schemes of the Crown any more than the PEOPLE of Afghanistan and Iraq were asked.

    The PEOPLE of Iraq and Afghanistan are given the choice of voting for whatever puppet leaders the British Crown and the American Dictatorship appoints over them, as surely as the Scots and Irish “nobles” appointed over their nations.

    The Irish broke no treaty freely entered into or sworn to by them either in rejecting British Rule nor for taking back the Ulster counties. The PEOPLE are not obliged to support a treaty signed under duress any more than the French People were obliged to support the Puppet Government at Vichy during the German Occupation.

    Momma always said, Nazi is as Nazi does. You don’t like being compared to Nazis and other Totalitarian freaks, too bad. Quit acting like them and then ask us POLITELY to forgive you.

    Not in as subservient and meek a manner as you demand of us,

    “Please, Massa, please don’t be whippin’ us, we is sorry we ever questioned your lies. Forgive us for ever opposing your Murderous Rampage across Asia. We’ll be good little Slaves like Brother Francis if you do”

  38. Just politely. And, unlike YOU or YOUR Armies, either British or American, WE have actually given you free press and free speech. In your particular account, Francis, 3 times.

    Literally free. As in, it cost you nothing to post your defense of blatant lies HERE, on a website belonging to somebody else.
    The Fox Noise Machine websites don’t grant us that privilege.

    AND free as in “nobody is hunting your stupid bitch ass down and imprisoning, beating or killing you for saying it” as YOUR Army and Police State minions do on a regular basis to those who speak against THEM.

    Given the assaults against those of us who questioned the LIES put forth to start and maintain YOUR wars of Capitalist Conquest, including assaults against the owner of this website, and the response by the Local and Military PIGS in our community, the exact copy of your assertion that you’re fighting for nothing but Freedom in Iraq and Afghanistan, out of the purity of the Love in your FOUL AND NASTY HEARTS for the Iraqi and Afghan people… that puts a further onus upon you, an extra obligation to PROVE your lies about how you’re fighting for “freedom”.

    We’ve heard the lies about your “Freedom” and had those lies beaten into us at the point of taser, club, rubber bullets, gas and chokeholds.

    Do you really expect us to believe, given all that, YOUR claims that you’re giving the Iraqis and Afghans more freedom than you allow US to express?

    Your momma committed a Heinous Crime by giving birth to you.

  39. By the way, I didn’t actually read the last two screeds you pushed off onto us.

    But you did do us one favor, Francis. And your Control Freak comrades who, like you, brook no insolent resistance to your Grand Schemes and those of your Masters. That should be “master” since you serve only one, AntiChrist.

    “forsaking the gods of his fathers and instead worshiping the god of Forces” as in, Armed Forces. Militarism as a religious faith.

    But, as you say, you were googling for any kind of ammunition you could find, in order to fling poop at the President of the United States. Who isn’t supported by Eric, the owner of this site, incidentally.

    And your reasons for opposing him as president are clearly delineated by your Ku Klux Komrades who also posted here, on this thread and only this thread, because they believe the Racist innuendo against him as the son of an Immigrant.

    You can’t handle having a “nigger” as president, can you? That IS the full gist of what YOUR opposition to him consists.

    “immigrant”,”illegal alien”,”Half-rican American”, “secret muslim”… what a bunch of Racist Crap.

    We’ve been opposing his continuation of the wars, started by lies propagated by Messieurs Bush, Blair, Brown, Cheney, Rove, Libby, Limbaugh (the third generation IRISH American Dickhead who brought out that racist “half-rican American BULLSHIT) and you respond, collectively, with allegations of Racial and Religious and Cultural(right wing code word for “racial and religious”) inferiority. What a bunch of Loser-ass “Dickhead Bullshitters” you are.

    By that last reference, I’m poking not-very-gentle fun at Brother Francis and his gratuitous and pedantic insults from several posts back.

    I realize that many of our readers, especially those opposed to our daring to exercise Free Speech, don’t have much patience and skip through looking for catch-phrases to support their allegations that anybody who opposes their Arrogant Imperialism is somehow crazy, stupid, ignorant, or in rare cases Evil. I got the “Dickhead Bullshitter” one directly from Brother Francis.

    And I’m giving him full “credit” and attribution for it. Something I’m sure the Right Wing faction of our readership won’t do.

    I’m sure of it because the Right Wing are very outspoken and push their point of view at every opportunity. Especially to those of us who oppose them. So I’m very familiar with the Pedantic and and bombastic speaking and writing styles of their favorite commentators.

  40. Once again I find you attributing attitudes to me, plucked from the murky depths of you mind in an attempt to undermine views. None of the two posts I have made to this site could in any be construed as my giving or even offering support for war. I am not a supporter of the recent wars entered into by the USA and he UK however there has to be war then people enriching themselves by way profiting from war need to be treated in a special way viz.

    With regard to the physical and personal sacrifice which all wars demand of the people, personal enrichment by means of war must be seen as a crime against the nation. Therefore we demand the collection of all wartime profits and it distribution to those making the physical and personal sacrifice.

    You will get no argument from me in defence of the veracity of Bush, Blair or Brown or for that matter any politician. They are all self-serving liars and you Brother Jonah is not above suspicion your writing are full of whoppers, hence my question the first post.

    In the posts I have made to this site I have never mentioned any of the secret services from any country. In terms of MI6 and the 2nd Gulf war it may be that their reports economical with the truth and You Brother Jonah are not above being economical with the truth as evidence with your responses to my posts. Certainly the document presented to Parliament by T Blair as a basis of going to war had been “sexed up by A Campbell spin doctor to T Blair and incidentally a committed socialist.
    There is also the suspicious death of Dr Kelly who supported the view that Iraq had no WMDs, alleged by some to have been murdered by agents of T Blair’s Government.

    I make it my business not to belong to any side, and you Brother Jonah have no reason from my posts to this to infer such. You abuse free speech as freely as your mentor Dr Joseph Geobells, despicable.

    The bit about a 41 year old and the raining theory is some obscure reference to what? You will have to enlighten me and other readers.

    You accuse me of making racist attacks on Barack Obama and ranting about immigrants sullying the purity of the English nation of American. Complete fabrications drawn from the murky depths of you’re imagination and an attempt to smear me. Another BIG LIE Brother Jonah. You abuse free speech as freely as your mentor Dr Joseph Geobells, despicable.

    For your information Brother Jonah I am not a White Anglo Saxon Protestant and have no theories of superiority of one race over another anther fabrication and continuation of the BIG LIE. You abuse free speech as freely as your mentor Dr Joseph Geobells, despicable.

    Who is Bradley Manning and what truth did he expose? A man on a higher plane of integrity than yourself by the looks of things no doubt.

    It is the ploy of people of you and your coterie to accuse those who ask legitimate questions of pedantry it an old trick well known to politicians watchers like myself. Just answer the questions I feel that unlikely since you will need to admit the BIG LIES

    What will YOU do personally if we don’t believe you bullshit lies (sic) Another of your BIG LIES Brother Jonah. You abuse free speech as freely as your mentor Dr Joseph Geobells, despicable. None of my post have inferred I offered support for the conquest of Iraq or Afghanistan on the contrary I think they are illegal.

    The war between the English and the Irish for the control of Ireland was a war between Catholics and Protestants; the Catholics lost could have easily gone the other way. The war between Catholics and the protestants had been going since the reformation right up until this century. I don’t defend it; it was something that happened in the history of Europe. Incidentally that’s how the Huguenots came to England driven out of France by the Catholics. I terms of the Irish people not being consulted that’s another BIG LIE Brother Jonah they had representatives in the House of Commons and House of Lords and each Irish citizen had the same rights and obligation as the English, Welsh and Scottish. You abuse free speech as freely as your mentor Dr Joseph Geobells, despicable.

    Certainly there were many battles between the Scots and the English and if I recall my history correctly with exception of on the Scots lost them all. There was eventually agreement reached the King of Scotland was offered the throne of England to be enjoined with his existing throne of Scotland. He accepted and act of Parliament was passed known as the Act of Settlement.

    That’s the way things were done in those days its just the way it was.

    When will you be packing you bags a leaving the “Land Of The Free” remember you took all of the main land states by conquests killed most of the Native American, some tribes you wipe out altogether, rounded up the rest and put them in concentration camps, Your Government force your religion and culture on them by force taking there children into special school for the purposes of indoctrination.

    Then there was Panama didn’t exit a hundred years ago the USA took the area of this country by force and occupies by force.

    Your Government engineered a war with Spain and took by force all the lands that had been part of their Empire you did it by force with out the consent of the indigenous peoples. And for many years you oppressed the people and gave no representation in government.

    I do not intend to comment on your post 01.08.10 7.41pm from the paragraph that begins Literally free, accept to say- this is an abuse of free speech what gives you the right to make these comment about me from the post I have made to this. It’s another BIG LIE Brother Jonah, but that’s what I and the rational visitors to this site have come to expect. Typical of your mentor Dr Joseph Geobells, despicable.

    Well at least I know who my father and mother were.

    Regarding your post of 01.08.10 8.12

    It comes as no surprise that you had not read all of my post, it obvious from you name calling and the things you have attributed to me and even more obvious in this post. All of your post have more in common with Hans Christian Anderson than the truth. You a propagandist who learnt his trade at the knee of you mentor Dr. Joseph Goebbels, if your are going to tell a lie make it a BIG LIE. Where did you learn about chicken shit on you mothers knee, you seem to be an expert on chicken shit? You spread thickly on yours post possible to avoid the truth. There are others who say your became an expert on chickenshit on your Uncle Heinrich chicken farm. You remember your uncle Heinrich went from chicken farmer to chief the SS. You have their same jackboot mentality. If you cannot convince people you bully them with belligerent hectoring you ridicule and name call in the style of your mentor Dr. Geobells. If that doesn’t work put the jackboot into the kidneys and the head. If this doesn’t work put them in a concentration camp stave them, then gas then and cremate them.

    You are incapable of making a rational cogent response to any post. You have little power of reasoning and have no ability for logical though. You remember you call me, bold liar but not a brave one. You’re every bit the coward etc. You cannot be bold and a coward it’s a contradiction in terms, dick head. You jump up like child who has had is candy taken away and make like you are going to burst a blood vessel to distract from the truth. You are a fake, an intellectual fraud, and an intellectual dwarf. For the intellectual fraud there is no cure, for intellectual dwarfism there is a cure but Brother Jonah it means some self-sacrifice. You need to read more take some courses on self-improvement.

    All of your posting can lead only to one conclusion you a fascist through and through. Who has more in common with Dr Geobellls than Karl Marx you appear to be poorly read without an original thought, who repeats meaningless mantras. Time they put you back in the padded cell.

  41. My, aren’t we conceited. And who says I only addressed my comments to you? Your comrades are included in the Kartel of Lies. No offense, dude, but you’re just another right winger pushing the war agenda on any level. So why should I be apologetic or even more than exhibit a cursory amount of courtesy?

    George Bush, Blair and Brown ARE war criminals and liars. They’re guilty of every death caused in their War of Conquest, American, British, other Coalition, Iraqi, Pakistani, Afghan… every one of them. They feel no remorse for their crimes. Thus they’re self-confessed and even Arrogantly Boastful mass murderers and guilty of, by Bush’s own doctrine, Capital Murder in the case of each of the THOUSANDS of Coalition Deaths.

    George Bush gets such a sick pleasure from watching Execution Videos, perhaps he should be shown his own as it’s happening.

  42. Ha-ha. What will you do about it, bubba? Direct some sort of personal violence my way? You seem so convinced of the rightness and morality of doing that, punk. I guess the reason you don’t is because you’re quite simply a coward. Typical of the Right Wing. George Bush wouldn’t do anything to anybody on a personal level either, he had Stupid People do his murders for him.

    You’re like that, aren’t you, Francis? Too yellow to do anything.
    Bring some more lies. They’re funny. And don’t forget to question the intelligence or sanity of anybody who questions your lies.

    Celebrate the loss of your war. You’ve probably got investments that will pay off with or without a victory.
    The pigs you admire so much, they have such investments.
    Meanwhile, lick the Massa’s Boots, BOY.
    Slurrp Slurrrrrpppppp Slurrrrrrrrrrrrppppppppppp

  43. By the way, to all those Right Wingers who feel that insulting one or all of them somehow makes their cause Right or Noble, your fellow Travelers in the National Socialist and Fascist Parties, the Fascists actively in government positions of many nations, including local and regional governments in Spain, Italy, Portugal, Russia… get insulted quite a lot more frequently and painted with a much broader brush.

    I guess that makes the Nazis right and anybody who opposes them wrong. Nice set of rules you employ. Only problem with that is, as far as your attempted mastery of our adversarial relationship, is you have no way to enforce those rules.

    As Brother Francis is learning.

    Frances, you might be a good person under all that hatred. I’ll not accuse you of madness. That’s your preferred weapon.
    It would also, were I to say that you were crazy or in some other manner of diminished mental capacity, it would excuse your Hate-filled screeds.

    Instead, why not let your own hatred convict itself? Freedom of speech is a wondrous thing, I could not possibly force you to confess your Hatred and contempt for any who oppose the Imperialistic Murder Spree known as the “Global War On Terror”.

    But you do that quite nicely.

  44. If, however, you ever DO grow a conscience and really want to join the cause of Truth, there IS always the case of your Warmongers and Death Merchants wanting to execute Bradley Manning for Telling The Truth.

    Apparently, obviously in fact, the Pentagon stance that people knowing the Truth about the war would weaken or threaten the War, is strong evidence, tantamount to PROOF, that every word of the Pentagon, MI6, Mossad etc “evidence” in favor of continuing the war, and the prosecution of Bradley Manning and others who have the courage to stand against you…

    Is a LIE, or so corrupted by the other lies told that it would make no difference. A shining pearl buried in Pigshit would rapidly take on the smell of rotting Pigshit and the smell wouldn’t come out. The corruption of your lies has that nature.

    To allow that corruption into OUR society, unchallenged, would make our entire nation as corrupt as the Baby-killing Warmongers Bush and Blair and Brown and Cheney and Netanyahu and Brother Francis.

    Corruption such as that would only grow, if kept in dark and hidden places, where it would fester…

    So, thank you for bringing the corruption of your masters in the Coalition further into the light. Meanwhile, if you have any use for or love of the Truth, then support Bradley Manning and oppose those who wish to kill him for telling that Truth.

  45. Still the purveyor of hectoring bombast, of ridicule, name calling, brow beating and intimidation. Still practising your mentor Dr Joseph Goeblles methods, what a NO MARK addled brain, moronic toe rag you are. If your brain were made of cordite there would not be enough to blow your cap off. You really should try to introduce some o original thoughts into you posts you’re becoming boring. Learn how to speak and write correctly, learn how to parse a sentence it will improve peoples understanding of your posts, althought that might asking too much of you. You don’t seem a bad sort of guy, you just got involve with the wrong crowd when you were young. As I told you before, read wider, go to some self-improvement classes especially those that teach how to write with confidence and authority. Introduce some humour into your posts try to avoid the use of expletives; increasing your vocabulary would be a great help in this respect. Your posts can appear disingenuous try to avoid this if you want to achieve credibility, sadly not apparent from your most recent posts. Get yourself a new mentor that Dr Goebells has sent you down the wrong track. I blame your mother, bet she never once put you the naughty step.

    The people who look at your posts and think of you as fool, well the one I have shown them to do, the fell about laughing, they considered you to be naive and immature especially remarks about my mother, school boy stuff they thought said you should, grow up, try to become a responsible poster. You attitude and you comments say FOOL in the biggest way possible. Stop bringing in irrelevant issues unrelated to the posts on which you are passing comment, stop answering questions that have not been asked, stop drawing conclusions from thin air, stop making false accusations without foundation and if your going to tell the BIG LIE make it convincing, make sure there can be no reference to the truth from some other source. Make your mentor Dr Joseph Goeblles a proud teacher.

    How is your uncle Heinrich erstwhile chicken farmer and lately head of the SS, mass murderer rumoured to have only one ball, still that better you, you have got no balls. You remember him; made you an expert on chicken shit, well an expert on shit any way.

    You appear to have ignored most what I have posted and attributed your imaginary fantasising drivel to me. Have trouble with reading do you when confronted with the truth, came bottom of the class in comprehension. I got the impression you suffer from periodic myopia when confronted with the truth, perhaps you can get one of those nice men in the white coats to make an appointment to have your eyes tested.

    You accused me of goggling to find information to put into my posts another BIG LIE I have a massive library at my disposal and like to get my information from the first hand source. You never give up with the BIG LIE do you? Aren’t you aware that every body that reads your post knows you are the master of the BIG LIE, why not try the BIG TRUTH for a change.

    Don’t forget to ask nurse to wipe your arse every time you finish speaking, wouldn’t want to get dodos on you shorts would you, no save that for responding to my posts.

    You keep going on about freedom of speech; you did not get that from mentor Dr Goebells or from your uncle Heinrick. They like you use licence not free speech to abuse, castigate, berate and libel those who held views contrary to their own, you remember what you mentor Dr Goebells told you, if your going to tell LIE the make it a BIG LIE. You must have got an A plus for this lesson.

    You have connected me with people and their opinions to smear me, It just another BIG LIE, But the readers of my posts and your posts will see it really one of the many figments of your imagination, you have learn well from your mentor Dr Goebells.

    In your posts you have labelled me, a warmonger, a hater of Barak Obama, being a supporter of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, George Bush, Dick Chaney and God knows who, told me I am partly responsible the incarceration of Bradley Manning and have made many other accusations. As I say you like to tell the BIG LIE.

    Anybody reading my posts and you responses would wonder where you are coming from, perhaps some even question your sanity, your responses bear no relationship to my posts. You make it up as you go along. What are you on Brother Jonah ask the nice man in the white to get the Doctor to change you prescription. Time to put you back in your padded cell, nighty nighty Brother Jonah I will write again shortly if only to correct the LIES and the IN EXACTITUDES of your posts and to get some light entertainment for myself and my friends. Hope you get better soon you never know the new medication might work. In the mean time get your dyslectic mother back to working in the warehouse.

  46. Hey, cheap shots beget cheap shots. The statements Blair and Brown made are boastful in that they are arrogant, unapologetic and their assertion that they feel no remorse and would do the same over again is, again, Arrogance. Boastful. They are very proud to have led the world to the brink of destruction and possibly over that brink. They have no “character” to assassinate. Like it or lump it, they are criminals of the worst sort. As to somebody from within the UK having a different perspective on the Irish rebellion against the UK, as opposed to the perspective that an Irish connected person would have, that could be almost expected. I’ve Irish relatives and some Irish ancestry. Quite a bit actually. Some of my Irish relatives are from Ulster. Derry. Belfast. Some are Orange by faith and Green by politics. That’s the meaning of their flag, by the way, White Orange & Green.

    It is, as you say, far more complex than simply Brit against Celt.
    Blair and Brown are keltie lads too. So was the bastard who sold Brian Boru to the British long ago.

    And, the part I like most about it, the Irish Republic did NOT join in the Coalition. That gets the Other Side riled up every time it’s mentioned. And, sadly, the IRA in its manifestations, is still considered a Terror Group.

    I’m not concerned overmuch with ethnicity, the English people I’ve met are overwhelmingly good fellows. It’s when they get together as an Empire that gets me. It’s also a big thing for the Crown and their minions, when they demand, as they do in the U.S. that everybody acknowledge them as so superior that we all speak THEIR language and especially in their presence.

    I’d hazard the guess that most English people don’t harbor that, but the ones who do, are the ones who seek and therefore gain political power. And they make themselves to be a Royal Pain in the Collective Arse of Mankind.

    The Queen has enough troubles just being in her family. I poke fun at her but at the least, I don’t poke swords at her. Nor at you. Her family DID poke swords at many members of MY family, and people do tend to resent or at least remember that and act with a lot of Caution when next approaching their Nest of Vipers.

    Her family celebrates on several occasions per year their “victories” in Scotland and Ireland, such as suppressing the Gaelic tongue. Much the same way the “English First” crowd does.

    That they’re at the forefront, here, in condemning the Weathermen is no coincidence. Nor is their usually Racist condemnation of Mr Obama. That part is rather difficult to bear.
    Did I mention that aside from my keltie ancestry, the other part of my ancestry is a “Darker Race”? Savages, Aborigines, Redskins, however it’s put.

    That such fine fellows as Limbaugh would feel free to poke holes in the character of Mr Obama based on his Race and the immigrant status of his father is a strange twist, since Limbaugh is a direct descendant of the one group of Immigrants that were shat upon as much as those of us with Darker Heritage.

    A charge of insanity is fairly serious, many of you who make such a statement against one merely because one disagrees with you, however disagreeably it’s done… is tantamount to charging one with a crime. One can be imprisoned on a charge of Insanity, tortured, drugged, and never released.

    It was tried against me personally because I don’t grovel to the Police like a good little Slave would.
    They express contempt for me on the first encounter, I’ll express that contempt right back. Which isn’t a crime, they can’t lawfully punish you for it.
    So they make accusations of Insanity. It’s perfect for a Police State, Alexandr Solzhenitsen is celebrated by the American and British Police State for having suffered exactly that in the Soviet Police State.

    Without, of course, any mention of the fact that they do exactly the same. But I was cleared by Police psychiatrists. Even their Tame “doctors” couldn’t find a reason for their charge.

    Now, you might be a psychiatric professional yourself, Francis, but at any rate you wouldn’t be qualified to judge somebody’s mental state without meeting him. It’s really a stupid comment and a normal person would be ashamed to have made it.

    When you join in to a conversation with random respondents who all make slurs against ones character, morals, religion, family background, intelligence and sanity, as you did, and immediately take the position that the person thus slandered must be the Guilty Party, for whatever reason such an assumption is made, you opt in to their truly fucked-up opinions.

    Join a howling chorus of Right Wing Freaks and not expect to have a few howls slung back your way? I think you have a little more sense than that.
    Meanwhile, since so many are looking in to the Weathermen right now, mostly for the purpose of slandering the actually Fairly Run election of Barack Obama, an election that their side LOST… you and they have succeeded mostly in getting people to read the Manifesto in the first place, to learn some of the history of the group in the second place, such as: they’re not murderers, they targeted property instead of people, and are really decent people. Nothing in the Manifesto is any more radical or even Equally Radical to the Hatred taught to American and British Military Recruits and the Police. The Military and police are taught to justify torture, murder, indiscriminate use of explosives against CHILDREN (and other Civilians)

    I know because I WAS such a recruit. I questioned their teachings then, and I question them NOW. And each question that’s answered with Arrogance, Hubris, Conceit and Abuse is a question one need not ask anymore.

    The indoctrination given to Military and Police recruits is so violently radical that it deserves the title of “insane”. The wildest accusations against the Taliban and al Qa’eda factions don’t hold a candle to the rabid nature of their hatred.

    I don’t hold with every jot and tittle of the Manifesto and the Weather Underground, for their part and unlike the Right Wing Whackadoodledoos, don’t actually demand that people agree with every jot and tittle.

    It’s why the document is so LONG. True hate speech and violent insanity is best expressed in short bursts, suitable for a tee-shirt or bumper sticker. “We Hate (fill in the blank)” with no actual reason given.

    There are plenty of reasons to disagree with Mr Obama, his race and his fathers nationality aren’t among them. They’re the easiest targets of the Hate Mongers. The notion that the Weathermen were a hate-group or that Mr Obama ever went along with ANY hatred ascribed to them, that too is a cheap shot. Fits into a sound byte or a bumper sticker.

  47. Spoiled white children of privilege pretending that they are “liberators” and “revolutionaries”.Give them one week experiencing the life of a peasant revolutionary and they will run home to their rich parents crying their pathetic eyes out.What a bunch of pussies and hypocrites.

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