Must Arabs Recognize Israel as a Jewish State? Or must we, for that matter?

Netanyahu and Barack Obama‘NETANYAHU’S DEMAND that the Palestinians recognize Israel as “the State of the Jewish People” is ridiculous, even as a tactic for preventing peace. A state recognizes a state, not its ideology or political regime. Nobody recognizes Saudi Arabia, the homeland of the Hajj, as “the State of the Muslim Umma” (the community of believers).’
 
Thus speaks Uri Avnery, and he continues:

‘Moreover, the demand puts the Jews all over the world in an impossible position. If the Palestinians have to recognize Israel as “the State of the Jewish People”, then all the governments in the world must do the same. The United States, for example. That means that the Jewish US citizens Rahm Emmanuel and David Axelrod, Obama’s closest advisors, are officially represented by the government of Israel. The same goes for the Jews in Russia, the UK and France.’

Yes, Uri is right. The ‘Jewish State’ demands more for itself than even the Catholic Church does of its minions. The Catholic Church interjects itself into the affairs of multiple countries throughout the world and the nominally secular ‘Jewish State’ follows along copying the Pope with its own demands for special ‘recognition’.

Then, of course, there are the Muslims who want their own laws to be applied equally to everybody, including everybody else! But the ‘Jewish State’ is more immature and more unformed. It lusts to enlarge the boundaries of where the Jewish State law shall be dominant. It lusts for more territory! It resents the establishment previously of multiple and large Christian States and Muslim States and is like a Germany that lusted once for colonial lands of its own control like England, France, and Spain once had had.

‘Even if Mahmoud Abbas were persuaded to accept this demand – and thereby indirectly put in doubt the citizenship of a million and a half Arabs in Israel – I would oppose this strenuously. More than that, I would consider it an unfriendly act.’

Why, Uri? Is it because Religion mandated states ultimately apply their harsh laws against their own supposed members? Is it, Uri, because as a Jewish person you don’t even want to live in that Jewish State?

See full article Netanyahu’s Plan by URI AVNERY.

And why is Barack Obama keeping the US government signed onto recognizing Israel as a privileged Jewish State rather than a multinational country with equal rights for all? Why is Barack Obama hobnobbing so much with Christian Zionists, too, who believe in maintaining a militaristic Christian Empire centered in the US? Why is Barack Obama continuing the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

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12 Responses to Must Arabs Recognize Israel as a Jewish State? Or must we, for that matter?

  1. Avatar Dan Chinitz says:

    Your article is more than a little hypocritical given Jews are banned from most Muslim and Arab nations and Jews and Christians have lived, historically, under the Islamic practice of dhimmitude, which degrades them as second-class citizens who faced, and continue to face, discrimination and persecution.

  2. Avatar Tony Logan says:

    If this is so, why do you and your Jewish State military want to attack Iran instead of other countries, Mr. Spokesgun? The Jewish community is not under attack in Iran but does quite decently for itself. Instead, your country has been trying to get these Big Bad Arab countries that you say mistreat Jews to back them up on an assault against Iran! I see Mr BIG LIE caught entwined in another line of maximum bullshit once again! I feel sorry for you, ‘Dan’.

  3. Avatar Dan Chinitz says:

    “If this is so…, ”

    If? Are you not aware of the system of dhimmitude? Are you not aware of the virtual ban of Jews in Arab Muslim states? Are you not aware of the persecution of Christians? This is readily available information to those, such as yourself, who obtain their information from the Internet.

    “why do you and your Jewish State military want to attack Iran instead of other countries, Mr. Spokesgun? ”

    I’m not an Israeli citizen, I’m an American citizen and have family members who have died fighting for your right to post your invective on your little blog. When the President of Iran threatens annihilation against Israel and genocide against the Israeli people–Jew and non-Jew–concomitant with Iran’s development of nuclear capabilities, what would you have Israelis do, just pray? The law of preemption, which entails a clear and present threat to a state’s security, permits Israel to strike at Iran, if such a development should unfold.

    “Instead, your country has been trying to get these Big Bad Arab countries that you say mistreat Jews to back them up on an assault against Iran!”

    Completely false. The Obama admnistration is explicitly opposed to any Israeli military action against Iran. As was the Bush admin.

  4. Avatar Tony Logan says:

    Neither Ahmadinejad nor the Iranian people have threatened to do any of this stuff below that is all a figment of your own imagination and desires to start a war and nothing else.

    ‘When the President of Iran threatens annihilation against Israel and genocide against the Israeli people–Jew and non-Jew–concomitant with Iran’s development of nuclear capabilities, what would you have Israelis do, just pray?’

    What it’s all about is the continued expansionist desires of the Jewish Sate and the need to destroy all opposition to further annexation of Arab lands. Iran is the firmest power in opposition to this Jewish State expansionism. You are war monger thug, Dan’. You are a liar, an asshole military propagandist on our website, and a supporter of torture use and war. Go fuck yourself!

  5. Avatar Dan Chinitz says:

    “Neither Ahmadinejad nor the Iranian people have threatened to do any of this stuff below that is all a figment of your own imagination and desires to start a war and nothing else.”

    You are half right. For you to deny that Ah. has threatened Israel is just really disingenuous. Do you so not care about credibility or integrity?

    “What it’s all about is the continued expansionist desires of the Jewish Sate…”

    So, you think Israel wants to invade Iran and, what, annex it? LOL.

    “…and the need to destroy all opposition to further annexation of Arab lands. ”

    You mean, like how Jordan annexed the West Bank? And, what’s this “further annexation” business?

    “Iran is the firmest power in opposition to this Jewish State expansionism. ”

    The firmest power? LOL. Are you aware that 98% of the Middle East is Muslim and most of the Middle East is comprised of 22 Arab states? Israel is the size of Vermont.

    “You are war monger thug, Dan’. You are a liar, an asshole military propagandist on our website, and a supporter of torture use and war. Go fuck yourself!”

    The vulgarities of this post speak for themselves. I just wanted to re-post it.

  6. Avatar Tony Logan says:

    ‘Dan’, you poor misunderstood guy!

  7. Avatar Dan Chinitz says:

    “‘NETANYAHU’S DEMAND that the Palestinians recognize Israel as “the State of the Jewish People” is ridiculous, even as a tactic for preventing peace. A state recognizes a state, not its ideology or political regime. ”

    So, all of the Islamic Republics are, what, invalid?

    Interesting you suggest a state’s ideology should not define the state. How, then, do you justify these excepts from the Palestinian National Charter, below, that define Palestine as strictly Palestinian? Don’t see much tolerance for any other religions, either. Isn’t that discrimination?

    Palestine is the homeland of the Arab Palestinian people; it is an indivisible part of the Arab homeland, and the Palestinian people are an integral part of the Arab nation.

    The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians

    The Palestinian people believe in Arab unity. In order to contribute their share toward the attainment of that objective, however, they must, at the present stage of their struggle, safeguard their Palestinian identity and develop their consciousness of that identity, and oppose any plan that may dissolve or impair it.

    The destiny of the Arab nation, and indeed Arab existence itself, depend upon the destiny of the Palestine cause.

    That there is a Palestinian community and that it has material, spiritual, and historical connection with Palestine are indisputable facts. It is a national duty to bring up individual Palestinians in an Arab revolutionary manner. All means of information and education must be adopted in order to acquaint the Palestinian with his country in the most profound manner, both spiritual and material, that is possible. He must be prepared for the armed struggle and ready to sacrifice his wealth and his life in order to win back his homeland and bring about its liberation.

  8. Avatar Tony Logan says:

    ‘So, all of the Islamic Republics are, what, invalid?’

    Strangely enough, the self described expert on the Middle East, IDF Dan, seems to believe that we at Not My Tribe are Muslims fanatics and are defending ‘Islamic States’? Good Grief, ‘Dan’, get a grip!

    ‘Interesting you suggest a state’s ideology should not define the state. How, then, do you justify these excepts from the Palestinian National Charter, below, that define Palestine as strictly Palestinian?’

    Then our high IQ ‘Dan’ seemingly thinks that being a Palestinian is somehow akin to being another version of being a protected and SUPREME creature of the Jewish State? The ‘Palestinian National Charter is not defending the concept of an ‘Islamic State’ of Palestinians though, Mr, IDF. Palestine is an area that includes Jews, Muslims, and Christians. It is the antithesis of the Jewish State.

    To be such a self described expert on ME affairs, ‘Dan’, you certainly come off as a total nitwit. What gives?

  9. Avatar Dan Chinitz says:

    “Strangely enough, the self described expert on the Middle East, IDF Dan, seems to believe that we at Not My Tribe are Muslims fanatics and are defending ‘Islamic States’? Good Grief, ‘Dan’, get a grip!”

    How would my knowledge of the Middle East translate into my knowledge of what appears on your blog? That was an odd statement. Can you cite any posts from “Not My Tribe” criticizing the Islamic Republics for being too religioius? I have seen none.

    “Then our high IQ ‘Dan’ seemingly thinks that being a Palestinian is somehow akin to being another version of being a protected and SUPREME creature of the Jewish State? ”

    The Palestinian National Charter calls for only Palestiniains to live in Palestine. Non-Palestinians must convert to Palestinian. This is fascism.

    The ‘Palestinian National Charter is not defending the concept of an ‘Islamic State’ of Palestinians though, Mr, IDF. Palestine is an area that includes Jews, Muslims, and Christians. It is the antithesis of the Jewish State.”

    You’re completely wrong. Palestine is to be 100% pure Palestinian. Non-Palestinians must convert. There is no tolerance for non-pure-bred Palestinians.

    ‘quote’ To be such a self described expert on ME affairs, ‘Dan’, you certainly come off as a total nitwit. What gives?”

    The reason you become so violently abusive is you have no really informed rebuttal. So, you curse because you have nothing else to say. You become frustrated at not being able to respond intelligently. And, you comment on MY knowledge of the Middle East?

  10. Avatar Tony Logan says:

    You poor guy always being ‘cursed’ by me. boo-hoo-hoo… And now I’m going to call you a clown for trying to link Palestinians to being all fascists.

    Now that I think about it, aren’t you one of the visiting crowd of spamming IDF putzes to our blog that got all upset at any and all comparisons of current Jewish Nationalism to German nationalism of way back then? Boo-hoo-hoo…

    ‘Can you cite any posts from “Not My Tribe” criticizing the Islamic Republics for being too religious? I have seen none.’

    I know, I know…. We here at Not My Tribe spend all our time flicking boogers at Moses instead of Mohammad. Life is just so unfair to you Jewish State First people. I really don’t know how you can bear it all, you Clowns? So many fascists persecuting you all the time!

    Luckily Uncle Sam is protecting you from all those poor people in refugee camps and here on this nasty blog. And all those self hating Jewish people that are so unfair, too. Boo-hoo-hoo. As you put it, ‘There is no tolerance for non-pure-bred Palestinians.’ You make me laugh so hard I think I just crapped in my pants, ‘Dan’. CLOWN!

  11. Avatar Dan Chinitz says:

    “You poor guy always being ‘cursed’ by me. boo-hoo-hoo…” And now I’m going to call you a clown for trying to link Palestinians to being all fascists. ”

    The Palestinian National Charter is fascistic, which doesn’t portend well for Palestinian society. You probably have never met a Palestinian. I lived in Gaza for a year.

    “We here at Not My Tribe spend all our time flicking boogers”

    “Now that I think about it, aren’t you one of the visiting crowd of spamming IDF putzes”

    “Luckily Uncle Sam is protecting you from all those poor people in refugee camps and here on this nasty blog. And all those self hating Jewish people that are so unfair, too. Boo-hoo-hoo. As you put it, ‘There is no tolerance for non-pure-bred Palestinians.’ You make me laugh so hard I think I just crapped in my pants, ‘Dan’. CLOWN!”

    You are one bitter man.

  12. Avatar Tony Logan says:

    Didn’t you have time to turn Gaza into a land of milk and honey during your visit, ‘Dan’? You know, you truly are a dishonest swine about who you are and why you are here posting your Israeli military propaganda on our website.

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