Was the Waco Shoot-out a gunfight between rival gangs or an ambush laid by law enforcement? Police are monopolizing the testimony but the evidence suggests a barroom brawl became a pretext to kill or arrest club officers, essentially grassroots organizers, now charged with “organized crime”. Investigators can litter the crime scene with brass-knuckles, knives and wallet chains, but the shell casings are going to be police issue. Motorcycle headlights were on, indicating club members were trying to leave. Police claim that the brawlers redirected their fire toward officers, but did that happen while the bikers were trying to ride off? Because riding requires both hands. This gangland “shoot-out” was a St Valentine’s Day Massacre executed by cops.
[5/20 Update: HA! The nine casualties died of gunshot wounds, sustained outside the restaurant. No shell casings were found around the bodies. Eight of the nine were Cossacks. The eighteen wounded are not expected to be charged. So much for the narrative that gangs were fighting each other, or that Bandidos were the aggressors.]
It’s described as being a gang shoot-out, but what happened in Waco is still shrouded in the fog of the official POV. Did motorcycle club members shoot at each other? They’re unavailable for interviews, locked up on million dollar bonds. The Twin Peaks restaurant claims the shooting started outside. The only witnesses reaching reporters are the sergeant giving the press briefing and undercover cops purporting to describe the tensions between the “gangs”. By my reading, informant provocateurs incited trouble by “rocking” patches which claimed the territory of “Texas” for the Cossacks Motorcycle Club.
Something like three dozen undercover officers were monitoring the usually uneventful bi-monthly meeting of the Confederation of Clubs and Independents, in anticipation that the “Texas” patch would offend the Bandidos MC. They were able to respond within 45 seconds of the alleged altercation. What might have been an unremarkable barroom brawl, if even that was not contrived, turned into an ambush that killed nine and wounded eighteen. Zero officers were hit and I will bet every bullet was theirs.
Let’s say the melee happened as the police and media describe. Why the blackout on the club affiliations? Why are the 170 arrestees being detained on a million dollar bond each? Why aren’t reporters challenging the police narrative? Witnesses assert that at least four of the dead were killed by police. How long before we learn how many undercover officers had fired their guns?
The media is making much of the anticipation that fellow gang members are converging on Texas to avenge their comrades. I think the police know that it’s themselves who are the targets of the bikers’ vengeance.
No doubt one can say the bikers were not boy scouts, but have you seen the photos? These “gangs” wore their colors, in this case patches, like boy scout badges. And everyone in uniform creased jeans and leather vests as tidy as bowling shirts. Did you see the mugshots? If you look past the long hair and tattoos you’ll note everyone is clean shaven. This was a Sunday outing. These are family men and women, not gang members. The Cossacks are a “Harleys Only” motorcycle club for God’s sake!
Police aren’t naming the “gangs” involved in what’s being called the “Waco Shoot-out”. Because they are motorcycle clubs, for one, and because the only gang deserving of the notoriety is really the police.
NOTES 5/20:
Names of 9 dead. All killed by gunshot wounds, all outside the restaurant: COSSACKS MC ROAD CAPTAIN Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, of Waco TX; COSSACKS MC ROAD CAPTAIN Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, of Arlington TX; COSSACKS MC SERGEANT AT ARMS Richard Vincent Kirschner Jr., 47, of Kylie TX; COSSACKS MC Matthew Mark Smith, 27, of Keller TX, formerly of Scimitars; COSSACKS MC Charles Wayne Russell, 46, of Tyler TX; COSSACKS MC Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, of Ranger TX; Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, of New Braunfels TX; Richard Matthew Jordan II, 31, of Pasadena, TX; and BANDIDOS MC Manuel Isaac Rodriguez, 40, of Allen TX.
Names of the 170 booked and charged with organized criminal activity: Martin Lewis, 62, retired San Antonio PD detective; Marcus Pilkington, 37; Michael Kenes, 57; Michael Woods, 49; Julie Perkins, 52; Nate Farish, 30; Ronald Warren (wounded), 55; Morgan English, 30; Ryan Craft, 22; Rolando Reyes, 40; Jonathan Lopez, 27; Richard Benavides, 60; Michael Baxley, 57; Aaron Carpenter, 33; Jarrod Lehman, 30; Ricky Wycough, 56; Royce Vanvleck, 25; Ester Weaver, 46; Ryan Harper, 28; Timothy Bayless, 53; Michael Chaney, 53; Mitchell Bradford, 29; Nathan Champeau, 34; Noe Adame, 34; Owen Bartlett, 34; Rene Cavazos, 46; Berton Bergman, 47; Greg Corrales, 47; John Wiley, 32; Jeff Battey, 50; Kenneth Carlisle, 36; John Craft, 47; Lindell Copeland, 63; Matthew Clendennen, 30; Michael Thomas, 59; Narciso Luna, 54; Owen Reeves, 43; Richard Donias, 46; Robert Robertson, 36; Reginald Weathers, 43; Richard Dauley, 47; Rudy Mercado, 49; Seth Smith, 25; Steven Walker, 50; Thomas Landers, 58; Valdemar Guajardo, 37; Walter Weaver, 54; William English, 33; Marco Dejong, 37; Melvin Pattenaude, 51; Jarron Hernandez, 21; Jason Moreno, 30; Jeremy King, 32; John Martinez, 30; Jeremy Ojeda, 37; John Guerrero, 44; John Moya, 26; Jose Valle, 43; Joseph Ortiz, 34; John Vensel, 62; John Wilson, 52; Jorge Salinas, 24; Justin Garcia, 23; Justin Waddington, 37; Lance Geneva, 37; Lawrence Kemp, 40; Lawrence Garcia, 51; Josh Martin, 25; Eliodoro Munguia, 49; Lawrence Yager, 65; James Rosas, 47; James Stalling, 56; James Venable, 47; Gage Yarborough, 22; Gilbert Zamora, 60; Gregory Salazar, 42; George Wingo, 51; James Eney, 43; Edward Keller, 47; Christopher Eaton, 46; Christopher Stainton, 42; Daniel Johnson, 44; Daniel Pesina, 21; Don Fowler, 51; Doss Murphy, 44; Drew King, 31; Brian Eickenhorst, 28; Edgar Kelleher, 50; Andrew Sandoval, 30; Andrew Stroer, 49; Arley Harris, 32; Bobby Samford, 35; George Rogers, 52; Jacob Reese, 29; Joseph Matthews, 41; Juventino Montellano, 46; Mark White, 41; Bradley Terwilliger, 27; Ares Phoinix, 36; Benjamin Matcek, 27; Craig Rodahl, 29; Daryle Walker, 39; David Martinez, 45; David Rasor, 37; Christopher Rogers, 33; Andres Ramirez, 41; Robert Nichols, 32; Seth Smith, 28; Theron Rhoten, 35; Timothy Satterwhite, 47; Anthony Palmer, 40; Terry Martin, 48; Wesley McAlister, 32; William Redding, 35; Matthew Yocum, 25; Phillip Sampson, 43; Phillip Smith, 37; Jason Dillard, 39; Jacob Wilson, 28; Dustin McCann, 22; Billy Mcree, 38; Kevin Rash, 42; John Arnold, 43; Kristoffer Rhyne, 26; Raymond Hawes, 29; Richard Kreder, 33; Robert Bucy, 36; Ronald Atterbury, 45; William Aikin, 24; Trey Short, 27; Christian Valencia, 26; Michael Moore, 42; Jason Cavazos, 40; Roy Covey, 27; Brian Logan, 38; Colter Bajovich, 28; Ronnie Bishop, 28; Nathan Grindstaff, 37; James Gray, 61; Jimmy Pond, 43; Clayton Reed, 29; Tommy Jennings, 56; Ray Allen, 45; James Devoll, 33; Blake Taylor, 24; Matthew Folse, 31; Sandra Lynch, 54; Marshall Mitchell, 61; Mario Gonzalez, 36; Larry Pina, 50; Richard Luther, 58; Salvador Campos, 27; Michael Lynch, 31; Michael Herring, 36; Richard Cantu, 30; Tom Mendez, 40; Sergio Reyes, 44; Bohar Crump, 46; Jerry Pollard, 27; Eleazar Martinez, 41; Jim Harris, 27; Christopher Carrizal, 33; Diego Obledo, 40; David Cepeda, 43; Brian Brincks, 23; Dusty O’Ehlert, 33; Juan Garcia, 40, engineer for Austin water dept; Kyle Smith, 48; and Jimmy Spencer, 23.
Why is anyone Suprised at the doings of the police…and it was the polices doing. This is something they always do. Set it up so bikers look bad then kill a few. The real problem is that they get away with it and will continue the practice…
Yeah OK. POOR POOR Outlaw motorcycle gangs. GTFOH with that shit. These scumbags all got together and bad things happened. I only wish more of them had been killed by each other.
this is definitely the dumbest thing I’ve read in years. Biker clubs aren’t gangs? Wtf do you call a group of people that belong to an organized group that commit crimes together…. a prayer circle?
And the police have organized some vast conspiracy to persecute this sweet group of alter boys? This organized effort from a government agency that has trouble tying their budgetary shoe laces? Yeah you’re probably right. Yawn…
We need Marylin Moseby there to go after the cops like she did in baltimore
Exactly…i dont know why alot of people are lost in butt fuck egypt living in denile. Believing they’re just a”CLUB”….CUT IT OUT. JUST CAUSE THEY HAVE FAMILIES DONT MAKE THEM GOOD PEOPLE OUT ON A SUNDAY OUTING….BITCH PLEEEEASE!!!!…….EVERY GANGSTER IN L.A. HAS A KID….WTF!!!!
Of course as usual the writers of these types of articles are the first ones to act like “Chicken Little” the sky is falling and that it is all the police fault and that they were just minding their own business when they were ambushed . . . then the same writer of the article calls the police screaming like a school girl wanting the police to HELP THEM when the same motorcyle gangs are victimizing them. Very predictable slant by an insecure writer who lives out their own VICTIMOLOGY worldview and nothing is ever their fault always someone elses and particularly the police.
Just like all u dumb people who are saying”bikers are nice people with familys that do good!”…..well,SO ARE THE PIGS(COPS)……THEY ALSO GOT FAMILYS. THEY GANG BANGING JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. ONLY DIFFRENCE IS…..THEYRE GETTING PAID FOR IT. Btw”FUCK THE RED & WHITE”
Well for me if the gangs weren’t shot in at the police what gave the police the right to shot them
The only people that did an ambush was the owner of twin peaks. He is the one who set the whole thing up. Blame him not the cops. Stupid people get educated before you speak.
To the idiots who keep wishing they would stop calling them gangs. Keep on wishing buddy. U aint fooling nobody but yourrself. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. EVEN THE LITTLE RASKELS CALLED THEM SELFS A GANG!!!!HAHAHAAAA
One killed was a 65-year-old veteran marine. No criminal record, no weapon. 117 of the 170 arrested, no criminal record. Sounds like a bunch of gangbangers & thugs to me. Investigate this. All i’m saying. Maybe it could be a case of over-excited trigger happy police. Why is that so far fetched. The police have already said it was a brawl and gunfight. Mugshots don’t back that up, and neither does video. Just don’t believe everything being fed to you. I don’t know what happened either, and i’m not claiming to be an expert; I just think a lot of this doesn’t add up.
What kinds of criminal records do these bikers have? 117 have none. Wonder how many have felonies and previous murder charges? Surely these gangbanging violent thugs have records a mile long. Arrested include retired detective of 32 yrs, firemen, EMTs, engineer for City of Austin, pharmacy tech, customer service rep at Penske, FedEx, service manager at a car dealership.
Mongols vs hells bitches…..crips vs bloods…..cowboy vs indians……republicans vs democrats. Everyone is, has & always will be in some form of way in a gang. The muthafucken chess club….now that my dear ignorant people…. is a club.
Ive never even heard of a cussack….last i remember he was an actor named john……????????????????????
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Yeah OK
May 22, 2015
These are not SCUMBAGS and if you look Bikers do a lot in communities around this country. This was a COC Meeting and not a Turf War meeting look at all the different clubs that were there. This a few who may or may not have had a bitch about something. But overall, I think the Cops over reacted because there were over 220 Bikers there and it scared them. I have been around MC clubs a majority of my life and if they was to hurt you or settle a beef its NOT in front the amount of law enforcement that was there its private and most law enforcement know this. People need to understand not all Bikers are bad and not not all Law enforcement is bad, but there is bad in everything.
Where were Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson, how come no riots to protest the murder?
Funny, when the blacks get killed they’re thugs and police officers are defended and thanked. When you get dead whites, you suddenly realize there’s a police problem in this country.
This is not going to go over well with all the biker clubs around the States plus even the PD has biker clubs what about that ? Guess they are targeting the 1% ?
Too many people have watched sons of anarchy……bandidos are known to be violent IF PROVOKED. Only one bandido was shot and killed? Cossacks aren’t too well known. In my own opinion this was a set up in one way or another to try and prove law enforcement strength. The days of wild west shootouts between biker CLUBS are long gone and really not done in public. Mainstream society wants to pin these men and women as criminals and thugs and expects the public to follow. To me it was a play to engage Cossacks and a bandido got in the way and it cost him his life. Some of the members killed were husbands and fathers so to them R.I.P. and may your families be well. Can anyone honestly say they’ve seen violent club actions in the news until this?
It wasn’t a set up by the police. But once something happened, they finished it. Think about it. According to news reports (see wikipedia), five of the nine killed were headshots. Now what’s the likely cause of that? A bunch of beer drunk bikers running around a chaotic parking lot waving their handguns around? Or do you think it was highly-trained shooters with AR-15s, among other highly accurate weapons?
I know which one I’m going with.
Can’t wait to see all the civil suits filed against these trigger happy idiots once the evidence is released showing that more of the dead than not were either unarmed or had, at most, a pocket knife on them, and more were killed by police than by each other.
funny no one but me has seen that the first man said to be dead is alive and well…
This whole situation is so sad!! I use to own a club off Samuell Blvd. in Dallas many years ago, and never once did I have a problem with the biker clubs and there were 2 of them close to me As-a-matter-of-fact, they were the 1st to come to my aid whenever something went wrong I don’t like to say anything bad about anyone, but this whole thing sounds really f’d up!! They were my friends as well as my customers. they never came in more than 3 at a time, or wore their colors or parked their bikes outside They did this out of respect for me, knowing I still had to make a living, and the so-called normal customers wouldn’t come in if there was too much biker activity! God bless them and their families..I hope whoever is responsible for this mess pays. This whole shoot-out is so wrong on so many levels
You are all stupid. Government is just as corrupt if not worse than the supposed gangs. Open your fucking eyes to the real world and stop living in the media. To many instances point out government is shit and none of you see it. Dumb ass yuppies
It’s unfortunate either way who got killed. I thought it was very interesting that the ones killed were shot in the head and torso with the exception of 2. I think it started over the parking lot incident and once the bikers realized that something was going on outside they were armed and then they began stashing their weapons they carried into the restaurant all throughout the restaurant then exited the restaurant. The theory of cops shooting them is very plausible. It must’ve been like a “Turkey Shoot” I think Johnny Thunders may be on to something here, something happened and the cops finished it. Anyone can be quick to pass judgment (me included) but I’ll wait and see who’s lying here.
Fish in a barrel. Headshot. Headshot. Headshot. Throat (miss). Headshot. Torso (miss). Headshot.
This article says at least five of the nine.
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html
I want to know what makes it alright for the media to post pics of dead people? True, they were bikers, but they were Sons, Fathers, Vets, Business Professionals and the surviving family members (the good people) deserve some respect. I understand people consider them thugs, but show some decency…
Shame On YOU
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Witness states at least 4 killed by police? That’s some damn good vision – should have killed everyone pointing a weapon at them – guess the police should just let them shoot it out – this TX but it’s not the Wild West any more – You idiots where attack cops regardless- just best they not show up- then we can hear the black peoples crying vs you paranoid idiots and your world order BS
if the cops shoot a black man we get riots that take out city blocks but if the cops shoot unarmed people who wear leather it’s considered quick police work.
if the cops shoot a man we get riots that take out city blocks but if the cops shoot unarmed people who wear leather it’s considered quick police work.
maybe before some of you think that all motorcycle riders should be lined up and shot dead you might want to think about your own life what if you had a loved one that rode a motorcycle would you like for him to be lined up and shot dead. Oh course not unless you’re just a real Butt head. People amaze me on how smart they are but the words that they say shows what a complete idiot and how naive you are. So before you start pointing fingers you might want to look at your own life are you really that special I know some bikers that make you catch potato looked like a bunch of little __________. go ahead you’re so smart you fill the blank in. Have a nice day.
The biggest “gang” in America is our own police. What’s the difference between their uniform and ours? You want to compare apples to apples? Cops that are drug dealer, child molesters, murderers and thieves.
i know a lot of clubs and hung with them they do a lot of charities and help others in need of help but they still have to protect what is theirs would you like somebody to come on your property and take it only government do that they don’t bother anybody unless provoked even around enemy clubs they stay apart i know cause have been there and seen it like angel city rally all kinds of clubs and five whole days and not one fight or shoots fired it just a conspiracy to point out and say they are bad so what the government problem they got more trouble than they can handle without targeting innocence people who is protecting their area it a race and labeling of who they are scared of that is all i have to say about that will miss all brothers that were killed except the ones who started the mess i have friends who are cops and they think i am a cool old biker riding my 79 shovelhead flh electra glide and enjoying life MLL&R to all brothers and my black and white family the DOG is thru typing
Im not buying it. The media is trying to manipulate the whites into rioting like the blacks did over Ferguson and Baltimore. I want sources for this information and I want proof. I no longer believe ANYTHING the AP tells me even if they say it’s raining and Im outside getting wet, Im gonna find out for myself.
I’m sure Waco PD swabbed all of the people’s hands and will show who was shooting. An agency as well run as them would do that first to justify themselves
A repeat I. Our modern times of the shoot out at the OK Corral. Media split on who is at fault. So far no one really seems to know what happened.
The COC is nothing more than a front for extorting smaller clubs by the 1% clubs. 1% clubs are criminals. That is a fact. They might not have a record yet but still criminals. This wearing a diamond 13 on their vest are 1% “club” mules. And those that wear a support patch for the 1% “club” on their vests are just as guilty. If you support criminal behavior then you are just as guilty in the end. Who cares if police shot first? If they see a weapon they have the right and duty to stop the threat with lethal force. The police seem to be smarter than most posting here. They knew there would be a problem so they had officers on standby outside. Why does a 1% “club” get to dictate what other clubs wear? Only criminals claim territory. Other clubs just want people to know where they are from. If they cared about their families they would not be out selling drugs or extorting money. They would get a real job. The “clubs” referenced as gangs are just that, gangs. They are proud of their criminal title unless on the news. Hell, anyone can drop money in charity buckets, but to make a point about it is only to get people to think otherwise of you. True charity does not need recognition. I ride and I don’t feel the need to carry multiple weapons with me.
ok so I’m a longtime rider and veteran myself and do belong to a club of veterans who are helping other veterans and POW/MIA. We all happen to ride but are not “gang” members. I don’t know what happened in Waco that day nor does anyone else unless you were actually there at the meeting so I can’t speak as if I do know.bi do know the history of these bikers and they are not good so say what you want but Bandidos and Cossacks have a history and I have met a few on past rides. Being of foreign descent these guys absolutely scare me with all the swastikas and all…this is why I’m not one of the 1%er
Cry me a river, blacks been going through this being called thugs, gangbangers and everything else under the sun. If they where ambushed by police gunfire explain the stab wounds. Stop being idiots police fired because they had the green light to fire because bullets had been fired already by members of the gang. Alot of people in the world got families but yall dont see that til its your own kind. All fun an games til somebody get hurt. Dont wish death on no one but if you where involved in someway you had to suffer the consequences
What is the Black Widows Motorcycle Club Swanton now says intel shows threats are being made by them. Who is that & why would they care?
Love how “Yeah OK” and “Hahaa” have such mature usernames. If you’re gonna run your judgemental mouths about your negative feelings about bikers… have the “courage” to post your name!!! Oh, I forgot… bikers got courage!!! They are stand up people who say if they are going to do something… they do it! No, they don’t have the greatest reputation. There are always a few bad apples in a bunch. But all in all… get yourself educated on the judgements you make. Keep hiding behind you “Yeah OK” and “Hahaa” screen name. I can promise you… you are too small and petty for anyone to be concerned about your negative judgements!
You guys need to wrap that tinfoil just a LITTLE tighter, your brains are leaking out. Seriously, do you think ANYONE (other than the handful of other whackos commenting here) believes your conspiracy/”massacre” theories?
Look,cut the B.S. everyone ! I have personally seen both sides of the law pull shit.That includes the so called justice system.
Both sides pointing the finger at the other.They have always disliked each other,probably always will.Just like Republicans and
Democrats,always accusing the other side.Yet both having dirty hands.
We don’t have all the facts. We never will. But common sense has to take over. The cops were there so quick and head shots taken. That’s not f luck. That’s being prepared. Cops knew the bikers were there they told twin peeks. So why didn’t they stand out front in numbers. Make their self known. One bar fight go in stop the fight. No looks like the cops laid in wait . Looks like a set up. I don’t no these bikers good bad what I don’t no. But ambush doesn’t sit well with me. People don’t let this be yesterday’s news. Keep this in the news ask the hard questions. Investigate this make the mayor do an investigation. Let’s get the attorney general to investigate this. Don’t let this go.
It is possible the reason the 170 various motorcycle club members were arrested is because they wanted to collect all their smartphones to see if there were any videos of the ambush, so they could do away with the evidence.
As for no she’ll casings around the dead bodies, either the shell casings were collected and discarded or revolvers were used.
U know like heehe, and haha!! Why don’t u use ur real names dipshits!! COC meetings are for all patch holders, and independent bikers! We do more for children, than u dipshits hiding ur names!!!!! So use ur real names, or don’t comment on a damn thing u pussy packing mf!!
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“Branch Dividion Compound”
They got away with the slaughter of all THOSE people Too. I hope some Feds and Lawyers help stop the gathering shootings and massacres
Let me ask this, how many of you who are calling my brothers and sisters “scumbags” ever excepted gifts for your kids from Toys for Tots or food from a food bank? Well let me tell you, every year thousands of “bikers” donate thousands of toys and dollars so your kids can open gifts on Christmas or eat a meal. That is just one thing these “scumbags” you like to call them, do. I have better things to do then sit here and educate you ignorant, small minded, ungrateful pieces of shit. So don’t sit in your unpaid for homes and act like you’re better CUZ YOU AREN’T. You weren’t there, you’re clueless about club life and probably a Obama lover. If you can tell a set-up then you deserve your miserable petty lives. And the next time you go ask for free toys and food remember who donated so you could give your kids something you didn’t earn or buy!!!
My 2 cents, I ride, don’t consider myself a Biker just someone that enjoys the wind in my face on a long open road. All gangs are crip’s “cowards run in packs”. This country gives you the freedom to do anything a person has a mind to, why would anyone want to join a club, gang what ever that dictates what you can or can not do, who you can do it with or can’t do it with. I just don’t understand why people that have so much in common find away or reason to hate each other. Brotherhood My Ass. The fact of the matter is that the majority of them are just a bunch weak minded no heart want-a-be’s that wouldn’t make a pimple a real man’s ass.
well well the Waco law enforcement has done it again. was just a few years ago, they gunned down and burnt out the branch dividians. guess they were a gang too. there is corruption in lawmakers and enforcers everywhere but it seems like anyone that seems to be doing something that isn’t approved of in Waco Texas, law enforcement just take them out and jail anyone left. i ride a Harley and wear a patch but i don’t go around killing people that i can’t control !!! ya’ll better wake up out there, there will be another Waco somewhere else !!!