Immigrant Jewish State Foreign Minister rejects ‘Right of Return’

Two LiebermansThe Far Right Jewish State Foreign Minister, Avigdor Lieberman, is on a charm patrol in Europe right now, where his job is to try to convince Europeans that he is not Israel’s equivalent of Dick Cheney. It is doubtful that Avigdor can pull the wool over the eyes of even these enablers though. Lieberman: This government will reach peace with Palestinians

Yeah, right! (What dopes he plays us for!) Though here is the new immigrant to the Jewish State rejecting an Arab plan for Peace because he doesn’t believe in the ‘Right of Return’ for people who have lived in the area for hundreds of years! Lieberman: Right of return makes Arab plan unacceptable Wrong religion.

Lieberman talks of peace, has no plans for it, and represents that 2/3 of the Jewish population in Israel that currently lusts for war with Iran per what the polls state. The Israeli government feels that Obama should expand war from the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan, where he is continuing Bush’s wars and occupations, and start yet more conflicts with Sudan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iran. This is Lieberman’s idea of ‘Peace’. Lost in it all is any desire to drop the racism of the Jewish State regime.

Domination, Domination, Domination… but they need Charm, Charm, Charm. That’s where Barack Obama comes in. What a team they can be since Dubya just simply lacked that charm. So does Joe Lieberman in the photo. But Barack? Go figure??? Some find him to be absolutely charming! Why I just can’t figure out?

10 thoughts on “Immigrant Jewish State Foreign Minister rejects ‘Right of Return’

  1. AvatarDan Chinitz

    “Yeah, right! (What dopes he plays us for!) Though here is the new immigrant to the Jewish State rejecting an Arab plan for Peace because he doesn’t believe in the ‘Right of Return’ for people who have lived in the area for hundreds of years! Lieberman: Right of return makes Arab plan unacceptable Wrong religion.”

    Wasn’t it Arafat who rejected a very generous peace proposal, with resulting statehood for Palestinians, at Camp David, in front of President Clinton? Saudi Prince Bandar, a negotiating intermediary and no friend to Israel, told Arafat to accept the deal from Israel, which included $30 BILLION in foreign aid, because it was so generous. When Arafat did reject the proposal from Israel, Bandar said Arafat committed “a crime against the Palestinians and a crime against the entire region” Historically, Palestinians have been presented with about 15 offers for statehood, including offers from the UN in 1947 and from the British in 1937. Who doesn’t want statehood for the Palestinians?

    Regarding the right of return of Palestinians, what of a reciprocal right of return of Jews expelled from their Arab homes in the 1940’s and 50’s? Nearly a million Jews were ethnically cleansed from Arab countries, more than Palestinians who were displaced during the ’48 War. Further, the right of return is negated by the fact that those living in Gaza and the West Bank were born there. They do not qualify for any right of return. In any case, the right of return has never been exercised by any group in the history of the world. Since WWII, 150 million refugees were resettled. If Palestinians wish to leave Gaza and the West Bank, there are 22 Arab states in the region that have an obligaton to offer repatriation and citizenship. The right of return to Israel is a non-starter.

  2. AvatarTony Logan Post author

    Jewish Zionists have never offered that ‘very generous peace proposal’ you have blabbed on about in each and every one of your propaganda war posts, IDF Guy ‘Dan’. The Jewish State is about expansionism, Apartheid, and Jewish State terrorism against those who originally held the land, or hold the lands, that Jewish Settlers covet.

  3. AvatarDan Chinitz

    “Jewish Zionists have never offered that ‘very generous peace proposal’ you have blabbed on about in each and every one of your propaganda war posts, IDF Guy ‘Dan’. The Jewish State is about expansionism, Apartheid, and Jewish State terrorism against those who originally held the land, or hold the lands, that Jewish Settlers covet.”

    Dennis Ross’s account of the events at Camp David (He was chief negotiator) is that Arafat walked away from the opportunity for statehood. Clinton says so, too. Israel offered 100% of Gaza and nearly 100% of the West Bank, about 96%, give or take. Plus, $30 billion to get the Palestinians started. How much more generous could Israel get?

    As for Israel being aparteid, Israel heroically rescuing tens of thousands of Ethiopians who were in danger of being killed in civil war and by famine, and resettling those Ethiopians in Israel, undermines any libelous accusations of an apartheid mentality of the Israeli government. Arabic being a national language of Israel and Arab members of the Israeli parliament further distinguishes Israel from any bogus association with apartheid.

  4. AvatarTony Logan Post author

    Whatever Arafat did or did not do, the Jewish State cannot hide behind his actions or lack of actions, since Arafat himself simply was not the Palestinian people. And, it’s pretty obnoxious of you to try to pin all this Jewish State theft on the supposed blame of one single individual, much corrupted by the US and Israel itself.

    It’s obvious to all that it is Israel that refuses to change and give equal rights to all, whether they be Arab Palestinian Muslims or new Jewish immigrants from elsewhere. Jewish immigrants from elsewhere simply now come first and that is why it is an Apartheid state. Palestinians must be expelled and excluded, and that’s why the Jewish State is also the Apartheid State. You know it, too, you dumb Prick. (I’m being nice now considering what you really are.)

  5. AvatarDan Chinitz

    “Whatever Arafat did or did not do, the Jewish State cannot hide behind his actions or lack of actions, since Arafat himself simply was not the Palestinian people. And, it’s pretty obnoxious of you to try to pin all this Jewish State theft on the supposed blame of one single individual, much corrupted by the US and Israel itself.”

    Arafat not the Palestinian people? He was the leader of the Palestinian people. He was the Palestinian negotiator for establishing statehood. He rejected Israel’s offer for a state. Subsequently, Arafat unleashed the intifada swam of suicide bombers and car bombers, not exactly a positive negotiating tactic. Fomer President Bill Clinton, his chief negotiator, Dennis Ross and Saudi negotiator Bandar are all in agreement that Israel offered a very strong peace proposal which would have led to Palestinian statehood and Arafat walked away. Any remarks of “theft” are rhetoric, not historical fact.

    “It’s obvious to all that it is Israel that refuses to change and give equal rights to all, whether they be Arab Palestinian Muslims or new Jewish immigrants from elsewhere.”

    Obvious to all? Considering you have never been to the Middle East, you do not benefit, intellectully, from a truly insightul view of life in Israel. I lived in the Middle East for 10 years. Israel has strict anti-discrimination laws and Arabs and other non-Jews, as well as Jews, seek redress in the courts, and often receive redress. Arabs in Israel are not required to serve in the military because the gov’t deems it inhumane for an Arab to fight other Arabs in war, even if enemies of the state. Arabs also generally live in larger,nicer homes than Jews, who tend to live in small, crowded spaces.

    “Jewish immigrants from elsewhere simply now come first and that is why it is an Apartheid state. ”

    Absurd logic.

    “Palestinians must be expelled and excluded, and that’s why the Jewish State is also the Apartheid State.”

    Really? The Palestinian population in Israel has grown from 150,000 in 1948 to approx. 1.5 million today. Palestinians having full civil rights in Israel and representation in parliament undermines any assertions of apartheid.

    ‘You know it, too, you dumb Prick. (I’m being nice now considering what you really are.) “”

    Your insult speaks for itself. I just wanted to show it again.

  6. AvatarTony Logan Post author

    You get the insult not because you are a Zionist (which would be understandable) but because you are just the latest incarnation of a military propaganda spamming effort on our website on behalf of Israeli military forces, ‘Dan’.

    ‘Israel has strict anti-discrimination laws and Arabs and other non-Jews, as well as Jews, seek redress in the courts, and often receive redress.’

    The whole idea of having a Jewish State is founded on discrimination.

    ‘Arabs in Israel are not required to serve in the military because the gov’t deems it inhumane for an Arab to fight other Arabs in war, even if enemies of the state.’

    You have cut and pasted this exact same line of total bullshit now onto our blog how many times, Mr. IDF? The repetition of it is founded on the Hitlerian tradition of lying big, lying repeatedly, and lying without any conscience. In the psychology of public relations this works with the general public, but we are not the general public, Mr Prick. We are a Left website and can read through your I Love Israel No Matter What crap without any difficulty at all.

  7. AvatarDan Chinitz

    “The whole idea of having a Jewish State is founded on discrimination.”

    You mean, like all of the Islamic Republics in the world? Like Gaza banning Jews and giving a Palestinian the death sentence for selling land to a Jew? If non-Jews in Israel are accorded full civil rights, as explicitly expressed in the Declaration of Independence, then your comments are relegated to the rhetoric category, not fact.

  8. Avatardaniel

    it is useless to try to change the topic to islamic theocracies , they have to be condemned too , but this is another topic .
    israel as an ethnic state is illegitimate , first because it was founded by a group of immigrants who illegally stole a land and expelled its original inhabitants by force to establish their state on it , so the palestinians who are calling for the destruction of the state of israel and the recovery of their lands are morally right and justified. Palestinians should not be required to accept israel’s right to exist when that state is actually established over the lands that were stolen from them , most palestinians were made into refugees and parked in the Gaza strip and the west bank and are originally from the lands that are today “israel” .
    secondly, because no state has the right to define itself based on an ethnicity or a religion , this leads to practicing exclusion against its inhabitants who do not belong to that ethnicity or religion , and a state that is jewish by definition and that gives nationality to people and brings immigrants based on their religion is by definition a racist state.
    my solution to the israel-palestine conflict is the eradication of the state of israel , as a jewish state, and replacing it with a secular and multi-ethnic state that is not defined by any ethnicity or religion and that gives equal citizenship and rights to all its inhabitants , that state would include today’s israel and the palestinian territories , today’s palestinians and israelis would be mixed together and made into the same people , citizens of the same secular and non-ethnic country .

  9. AvatarDan Chinitz

    “israel as an ethnic state is illegitimate , first because it was founded by a group of immigrants who illegally stole a land and expelled its original inhabitants by force to establish their state on it , so the palestinians who are calling for the destruction of the state of israel and the recovery of their lands are morally right and justified.”

    Please tell me more! I’ve read 1,000 books on the Middle East, but, your version is unique. How did this “group of immigrants” “illegally steal” (as opposed to legally steal?) “a land” and forcibly expel everone? During the 400 years of tyrannical Ottoman rule, Jews were permitted to immigrate and purchase land. I have no doubt that if they had tried to “illegally steal” anyone’s land and expel them, there would be serious consequences. Subsequently, when the British army controlled Palestine after WWI, there would have been no chances of “illegaly stealing” land and expelling anyone because that would have made the British really angry. So, when did this massive theft of land and expulsions occur?

    ‘Palestinians should not be required to accept israel’s right to exist…’

    Genocide? Very nice.

    “…when that state is actually established over the lands that were stolen from them…”

    The League of Nations Mandate for Palestine, which was passed by unanimous vote by its 51 member states, gave Israel the legal right to be establised. The Mandate was supported by both Houses of Congress and then-President Woodrow Wilson. After WWI, the British severed off Jordan for the Palestinians, who also had Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia to settle in. Not enough land for the Palestinians?

    “…most palestinians were made into refugees and parked in the Gaza strip and the west bank and are originally from the lands that are today “israel”

    Palestinians were made refugees as a consequence of launching a war with Israel in 1948. Had they not invaded Israel, there would be no refugee problem today. Most Palestinians immigrated to the region from Morocco, Algeria, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan, so, your remark about them being originally from Palestine is ahistorical.

    “secondly, because no state has the right to define itself based on an ethnicity or a religion…”

    You must then be really mad at the 55 countries that make up the Organization of the Islamic Conference. You must also be peeved at the 22 members of the Arab League. They’re all based on Islam. Are you aware Argentinian law mandates government support for the Roman Catholic faith? Do you know the flag of Saudi Arabia features the shahada–the Islamic declaration of faith? And, on the Iranian flag, the Islamic phrase “Allahu Akbar” (God is great”) appears 22 times. Are you aware Palestinian Authority Basic Law says. “Islam is the official religion in Palestine”?

    “this leads to practicing exclusion against its inhabitants who do not belong to that ethnicity or religion”

    Possibly in other nations, however, Israel protects freedom of religion, which includes Muslims, Christians, Druze and Jews.

    “and a state that is jewish by definition and that gives nationality to people and brings immigrants based on their religion is by definition a racist state.”

    So, you don’t like the 80 Arab and Muslim nations? They discriminate against the practice of other religions.

    “my solution to the israel-palestine conflict is the eradication of the state of israel , as a jewish state, and replacing it with a secular and multi-ethnic state”

    Ha, Israel beat ya to it! Israel is already a secular, multi-ethnic state. How clever are they? Wanna go there and celebrate?

  10. AvatarTony Logan Post author

    ‘Dan’, you members of the Military Propaganda unit have been working on our blog spamming it all day and night now. Go to sleep, Dear Boys.

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