From Haaretz… Protests as IDF colonel who ruled for attacks on Gaza civilians starts as TAU lecturer …And how many times have we at Not My Tribe had to listen to posters from the Israeli military propaganda Spam Gun here deny that their beloved Israeli military has ever deliberately targeted civilians in Gaza? I can’t even begin to count the number myself since it has happened so often now.
‘Sharvit-Baruch was appointed by the Law Faculty to teach a class this semester. Both professors and students protested the move, after Haaretz reported that under Sharvit-Baruch’s command, IDF legal experts legitimized strikes involving Gaza civilians, including the bombardment of the Gaza police course closing ceremony. Right-wing students waving Israeli flags were joined outside of the classroom by Likud MKs Danny Danon and Tzipi Hotovely, where they were met by left-wing protestors.’
Isn’t this new law professor a terrorist, in fact? A terrorist financed partially by the United States government since our government gives tens of billions of dollars in aid to Israel to buy military equipment used to attack civilians?
The protesters have courage, that’s for certain and for real.
Likud only pulled 22% in their election and had to form coalitions with people who last month were calling Netanyahu a fascist.
The Spam-gunners are trying their best to refute the facts on all levels, across the internet.
So far all they’ve got is repetitions after repetitions of their talking points, kind of the text-narrative equivalent of shouting us down.
That might sound like I’m repeating the obvious, but, it has to be repeated a few times.
I have to do Physical Therapy and a doctor’s appointment today.
Do your homework and don’t just anxiously leap to misleading conclusions based on a few words in a newspaper article. The
Geneva Conventions permit military operations among civilians, if there is a military justification for it. The IDF and its legal experts actually explored what they can and cannot do. Does Hamas do the same? No, they do not.
ARTICLE 28
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebART/380-600033
The presence of a protected person may not be used to render
certain points or areas immune from military operations
The comments for that article explicitly say that using
civilians as human sheild, a Hamas tactic, is illegal and therefore
does not provide the protection.
Same lies and a new talking head for the Jewish State Spam Gun. Lecture us again and you’re gone again ‘Laurence’. Tell that to all the boys in the ‘library’ as the last Zio-identity called it, too.
Israel uses human shields all the time, and this we already know. Hamas targets civilians less than the IDF does, and the IDF engages in terrorism more often than Hamas does. We know the score by now.
We don’t like your racist colonialist crap being put perpetually online on our blog, Jewish State. Limit your posts or they will be quickly removed. You are a bunch of thugs and we are under no obligation to allow you to flood us with your nastiness. So we won’t.
‘Put up or shut up and stop censoring posts that embarrass you.’
No, we simply delete posts with this sort of attitude from the Jewish State. You do not dictate to us what to do or not do like you are accustomed to doing with the Palestinians.
Remark removed for about the sixth time.
In the last hour, Jewish State spammers have adopted 2 new internet identities and spammed our blog with their demands. I have removed repeatedly your posts, IDF prop team.
You are only forcing us to have to put the blog under a more controlled moderation and vet your comments out differently than we are currently doing. Of course, you want that since it makes real discussion more difficult.
Once again we ask you, ‘Please stop urinating and defecating on this blog.’ It’s just nasty.
Fourth new Jewish State Spam Gun identity in last hour…. comments removed
Please post one source of proof that the IDF engages in human shielding. Your readers are waiting. Credibility at stake…
Sorry, ‘Ellen’, we ordered nothing from your company so please remove us from your directory. …lol…. No sales today.
If you guys spammed up regular email boxes in this manner that you are doing now on this blog, there would be a new American Revolution! You guys are nauseatingggggg
Where’s the proof, big guy, about IDF human shielding? Your readers see you as having no credibility.
Tony, you consistently have been shown to say things without any substantiation. Now, if you can’t proof the IDF engages in human shielding, then you are a liar.
Tony, where is your proof of IDF human shielding, Mr. Liar?
It would appear that a special moderator should be installed to monitor Tony’s comments more than anything else. He clearly is completely uninformed about most of the issues discussed and shoots from the lip with allegations and assertions that are erroneous. He made an accusation of the IDF engaging in human shielding that he clearly cannot prove, embarrassing himself, and showing him to be a common liar.
(Note the last commenter switches names, then IP, then back.)
I recall seeing a photo sequence of a Palestinian boy tied to the windshield of an IDF jeep, purportedly to deter rock-throwers,
and another long video sequence of the IDF conducting house raids and forcing a Palestinian civilian to march ahead of them to knock on the doors.
What temerity the IDF have. They forbid entry to reporters, confiscate cameras and/or shoot journalists and witnesses outright. Then they defy the Palestinians to provide “proof” of IDF war crime!
I suppose the Israelis who bombed the King David Hotel in 1947 were all wearing uniforms, carrying insignia of some sort, and didn’t actually retreat to their homes in the civilian sectors after doing it.
And the recent Pro-Israel propaganda on Trinity Broadcasting Network, about miracles involving these “soldiers” and escaping detection by the British Military and other boasting of their exploits, wouldn’t be considered valid evidence even though the sources for the information were IDF and Knesset members past and present.
Nor would people who use the Same Computer and several different names but claiming to have no direct connection to the “others” be considered proof that Somebody Really Shouldn’t Be Calling Another Person “Mr Liar”.
And, really, it would tend to cast doubt on anything ELSE that person or persons has to say on anything.
I mean, talk about your basic “Credibility Issues”.
Blowing up a man’s house while his family is inside right after he made Un-Authorized communications (done without permission of the Invading Army) would also at least Seem To Be… some really violent and aggressive levels of Censorship,
and since the IDF claim of Sniper Fire coming from the area of that house…
curiously has no Physical Evidence, like a dead sniper, freshly fired bullets, shell casings, that sort of thing… backing up the claim.
That would throw the burden of “proof” squarely back to the IDF.
Demands that Eric or Tony or Myself be “censored” as heavily as people who we don’t know, who ARE using many false names, that’s kind of a little bit Arrogant, don’t you think?
And, again, directly addresses the issue of Credibility.
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Or are YOU, Sir Martin or Dame Ellen, since one or both of you must be in somebody else’s lap, IN ORDER TO HAVE THE SAME IP ADDRESS…
I guess Somebody isn’t Clever Enough to catch a small hint like me pointing out that such behavior “addresses” your own Credibility Issues.
In case you wish to whine about “censorship” as opposed to the apparently much preferred “Allow YOU to continue to engage in constant harangues, and using other people’s web sites as a launching pad for IDF propaganda”
Since you duck and dodge on the issue of using software and or hardware devices to Flood Web Sites, in direct contravention of the Accepted Use Policy of every segment of the Internet from the top down, I guess that leaves it to Others to pointedly remind you, and those unfortunate enough to read your ravings as though they came as independent thought either from you or from your alter-ego “Ellen” “Hillary” “Dan Fessa”
The IP addresses, Two of them, IP: 96.242.99.177 and (IP: 193.200.150.137)
Have been used interchangeably between 4 separate “people” in the comments on This Exact Post.
And that just in the last 10 comments.
Confess, Sinner!
Let something cross over your Typing Fingers that isn’t a pretense.
Since you’re last reply directly me accused both Tony and I of mental illness, which was deleted, perhaps YOU would care to provide evidence of such random and unsustainable attacks?
On many Web Logs and fora ==>>Latin Plural of “forum” there is an opportunity to log in and comment as “Anonymous”
Such is not the case here. Instead we have graciously allowed you a forum for your rants in defense of Organized Slaughter with the equally Anonymous option of providing false names and multiple E-mail addresses.
Maybe you’re not getting a very important Technical Point here, and for the benefit of Other Readers I’ll point it out… AGAIN.
There’s a Large Difference Between E-Mail Address and IP Address.
E-mail is directed to users of a single server.
IP address is the Exact Numeric “Name” of One Computer.
This can be checked out easily by any reader
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/
Yet I’m accused of being a “NutJob” for suggesting that you, by claiming to be separate, unrelated unconnected individuals, acting completely as volunteers with no offer of payment…
(That, you see, is a condensation of many many posts people in your organization have said in Partial Answer to this question)
That shows YOUR Organization, which you refuse to name, as essentially LYING in the very first part of any post you make, your actual name and the actual intent of such harrassment.
Fortunately for our readers, there is ample evidence which you’ve strewn across the Web leaving your IP Address footprints on other fora and web logs whose writers DARED to criticize or even Question IDF actions.
Not only has this attack been launched against American web sites, making your actions Un-American or Anti-American, they’ve been launched against Web Sites maintained by Israeli peace activists as well,
That makes YOUR attacks Anti-Israeli and even (gasp!! The Horrors!!) Anti-Jewish.
Imagine that, the Jewish State authorizing and or encouraging the launch of attacks against Their Fellow Jews.
Martin-Ellen-Dan-Hillary, “Lucy” you got some ‘splaining to do to our readers.
You lie about your very name and you lie about your Agenda.
Each time you get called on it you change your name and flood the site with enough comments to effectively bury this very explanation of your behavior, makes it more difficult for our readers to find the explanation of what you are doing, and why you are doing it.
So we repeat ourselves on it.
And, Ellen-Hillary-Dan-Martin, WE actually are separate individual persons.
The website is maintained and the work done writing to it, by myself and Tony and Marie and PC and the others, on a volunteer basis.
And it’s done from our common love of PEACE and our Common Denunciation of War in order to promote PEACE.
YOUR Agenda is clearly stated in your constant denunciation of PEACE Activism but your absolute lack of Even Questioning the actions of IDF and your promotion of IDF and British and American Military Sources as being Undeniably and Unquestionably Accurate Information.
That’s the mark of a Propagandist.
Since We, being separate individuals, spend a good deal of time dealing your Basic Crap-ola, and the extremely limited number of YOUR IP addresses puts out as much or more Crap-ola as our writings combined, that must mean you’re working this as a full time Job…
If you’re doing it as a Volunteer? I doubt that very seriously, and you’ll no doubt dismiss that as being “NutJob” again.
You would have to be unemployed and have somebody else paying your rent and groceries and, incidentally, your electricity and Internet access in order for that to be true.
The other option is that you’re being PAID to do it.
Now, whine some more about Censorship.
I have removed two more insulting and rude comments with demands from the IDF spammers that I must do something to prove that I am not a liar and blah, blah, blah. All have asserted that the IDF never, never, never uses Palestinian civilians as human shields in the manner that Ellen, Lawrence, and Dan did in the comments still left on our site on this thread.
You guys can go all go straight to Hell for all I am concerned. Any idiot can go to youtube and find all sorts of examples of human shields being used by the IDF despite the fact that most of the time when the IDF uses human shields it cannot be recorded for obvious reasons. The fact that you Spam Gunners have asserted over and over that human shields are not used and that I am a liar,liar, liar is just repeating your own BIG STUPID LIE over and over to yourselves. Are you guys too stupid to go to youtube and check it all out? I guess you, are but do not spam our blog with this crap even one more time, you hear? We’re sick of you Klansmen. If we did not remove some of your repetitive posts there would be hundreds of pieces of your trash all flooding into the site.
The last post contains grammatical and typing errors.
One I noticed “Your” last comment “Directed at” me.
I’ve cleaned that one up so you can understand it more clearly.
Tony could proofread my comments on HIS thread but he’s not being paid to do that, nor am I.
Nor are Any of us except for the “guests” who share one computer yet insist that they’re not connected or related.
This directly to our readers who come to this site for the purpose of education and edification.
The Propagandists already know it.
Tony, youtube has many videos of Palestinian human shielding, such as the one linked below, but none of the IDF human shielding. You often are lacking in substantiation to back up your claims, and so we’ll just chalk this latest “anecdote” up to your distant relationship with the facts. You’re doing a great job elevating the integrity of this site.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y
Tony, I Googled and youtubed to find just one instance of IDF human shielding, to no avail. Since you cannot find any proof either, we’re left to conclude you just made it up, just like you made up the bogus Sharon quote, and the bogus assertion the NY Times has always been pro-Zionist. You just make things up as you go along.
You’ve got to be kidding me Mary/Martin/Melissa! This DAILY MAIL item comes up right at the top of any search:
And you missed this BBC report too?
That’s BS, Martin. Go find the videos on your own dumb time. They’re there and you damn well know it, too.
How often are you guys going to play the buffoon? Over and over again? Go to the site and search on… human shield IDF. Is that such a challenge?
God you people like to play dense! You write this same old drivel one more time and I’ll erase you once again, Mr Make UP Name.
And I might add, none of you Propaganda Klingons have addressed why so many Jewish people are themselves protesting against Israeli State terrorism? That’s what this thread is about, not human shields, whether used by either the Israeli military or Hamas. It’s not even about IDF use of torture either. It’s not about tearing down Palestinian olive tress, bulldozing their houses, or neurotic Jewish princesses. It’s about Jews protesting the Jewish State. Got it, ‘Martin’?
The title of the comment is… Protests in Israel against country’s military for targeting Gaza civilians
The reason it has to be given straight over and over again to you people playing dense, is that you act like I would be acting if you IDF morons had a blog about the Evil Hamas and I kept writing in under every article you had, saying something dense like, explain why Moses was so bad and did this and that?… blah, blah, blah. You guys have a Hamas fixation, not a Moses one. Or did I get it the other way round backwards? God you Zio creeps are irritating! One simply gets tired of you stupid people acting stupid, over and over again.
Jewish protesters are protesting in Israel because the IDF targeted intentionally civilians in Gaza. They say that! Got it yet, Martin the Mouse? They are Jewish protesters against your stupid Jewish State!
This is just a software program changing fictional names and saying the same stupid shit over and over, Eric. We’re playing ‘chess’ against an IDF computer.
And again, Mary Berko has the same IP address used by “Martin”
also the Daily Mail isn’t known for any left-wing tendencies, very Tory in their outlook and really, always have been.
The Daily Mail article was written back in early 2004 and the picture has nothing to do with human shielding. It’s been circulating since then as a bogus picture of IDF human shielding. Read the actual article from the Daily Mail, link below. The kid had been pulled from a gang of young Palestinians who were throwing rocks at security forces who were building a section of the ‘security’ wall. He was then tied to the jeep in an effort to dissuade the other rock-throwers. Rumour has it that two men were tied to other jeeps the same day. None of the soldiers implicated in the incident were ever punished. Google “gaza israel human shield boy” for the images and you can obtain links for the article. http://muslimmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/human-shield-gaza.jpg
Other anti-Israel sites and blogs have used the picture in a similar propaganda way. They crop the stone-throwing reference at the top of the pic, as well as the text.
The IDF using a Palestinian HUMAN to SHIELD themselves from rocks. What did you think human shield meant?
And Mary/Martin/propagandist, what are the Israeli soldiers up against with all their weapons? Rocks.
“And I might add, none of you Propaganda Klingons have addressed why so many Jewish people are themselves protesting against Israeli State terrorism?
“So many Jewish people” is relative. 94% of Israelis, for instance, supported the recent militay operation in Gaza.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231950849022&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Like so many Pro-Peace sites have been spammed in a similar way to your use of the IDF propaganda machine?
Like 4 “persons” switching IP addresses, with each one using the address
(IP: 71.187.131.216) and the other (IP: 96.242.106.63)
And since you each have denied being a part of an organized operation to spread the IDF propaganda onto our site and other sites, by your own admission…
By your admission, YOU and your fellow propagandists have all LIED.
Deliberately, calculatingly and coldly LIED.
That means you HAVE been doing the same thing to other websites, those who are identified by YOU as being “anti-Israeli”
Much the same way our former Dictators Bush and Cheney refer to anybody who disagrees with THEIR murderous policies as Anti-American.
You’ve also been quite busy spamming Israeli Peace Activists, I guess that would make YOU Anti-Israeli and Anti-Jewish..
You’re even willing to sell out Your Own People to promote your murderous goals.
Do you ever feel shame for your sins?
There’s a saying Jesus spoke, and He was quoting from Ecclesiastes, “what profiteth a man, if he gain the whole world, and lose his soul?”
What are your Rulers paying you to do their evil bidding?
You notice that I didn’t say “leaders”.
They Rule you, they Own You as surely as any other slave is owned by his or her Master.
You’ve sold your Rulers your integrity and your honor, you come to us with Lies and swear them to be the Truth, why should we believe ANYTHING you tell us?
Prove that you have ever, even once, written or said anything that did not agree thoroughly and without question, with your IDF Rulers.
Prove it if you can, and THEN accuse us of Lying.
I have pled with you, begged you in the name of God and with His Talmud as witness, to bring Proof that you are not Unquestioning Pseudo-Patriotic Propaganda-mouthing Parrots.
That you exist for any reason other than to spread the words Your Masters tell you to spread,
only that and nothing more.
Yet you casually call US liars.
Your whole presence on this site is predicated on a Lie.
78% of your people voted AGAINST your current Puppet Dictator.
“Like so many Pro-Peace sites have been spammed in a similar way to your use of the IDF propaganda machine? ”
I’m pro-peace, as well. So, too, are most Israelis, who are in favor of a Palestinian state.
“And since you each have denied being a part of an organized operation to spread the IDF propaganda onto our site and other sites, by your own admission…
Other anti-Israel sites and blogs have used the picture in a similar propaganda way. They crop the stone-throwing reference at the top of the pic, as well as the text.
By your admission, YOU and your fellow propagandists have all LIED.
Deliberately, calculatingly and coldly LIED.”
How so? By pointing out the Daily Mail article had nothing to do with human-shielding, as was suggested?
“You’ve also been quite busy spamming Israeli Peace Activists”
Peace activists are part of the Israeli democratic foundation of freedom of speech and freedom of protest. Also, freedom to congregate.
“Do you ever feel shame for your sins?”
What sins, specifically?
“What are your Rulers paying you to do their evil bidding?”
Rulers? Evil bidding? I’m an American citizen working toward a law degree, and, I’m not paid anything, unfortunately. I won’t be doing any evil bidding until I work for a law firm. LOL.
“They Rule you, they Own You as surely as any other slave is owned by his or her Master.”
You read too many spy novels. The only ones who own me are the banks who have lent me the money for law school tuition.
“Prove that you have ever, even once, written or said anything that did not agree thoroughly and without question, with your IDF Rulers.”
Didn’t you already do this with someone else? They said they were opposed to Israel’s settlers policy, then asked you if you’ve ever disagreed with a policy of Arab rulers. You never did answer the question.
“Your whole presence on this site is predicated on a Lie.”
And, what lie might that be?
Deliberately lied by saying you are who you actually are not.
You are effectively logged in anonymously on every site you spam with your Hate and Kill message.
Yet this Name Change game results in the Appearance of “unrelated, unconnected and Non-Cooridnated” concerned citizens who strangely, say exactly the same thing over and over and over and over.
That is the first Basic and Fundamental Lie put forth by your organization.
Three posts ago you said that 94% of Israelis support the ongoing War against the civilians in Gaza.
Now you say “most” Israelis want peace, well, which is it?
You don’t make peace by Force.
Peace through Domination is the same Arrogant Lie promoted by dictators from Gaius Julius Caesar II “Caligula” all the way to Hitler and to George Bush, and now your beloved Bibi.
And they used the same formula, and the same doctrine.
Bush’s State Department even adopted Caligula’s motto ” Oderint dum Metuant” only in English, “Let them hate us, as long as they Fear us”
You want the “peace” of the Plantation, all the slaves bowing before your New Master Race and only on YOUR conditions.
Some of the people on the U.S. side of the Koalition of the Killing, and some in Bibi’s own party, have been advocating Ethnic Cleansing.
Purging Israel AND Palestine of anybody who isn’t Jewish.
Using the prophet Joshua as a metaphor for doing it and saying that God intends Israel to either evict or exterminate their fellow Semites, and many of those are ethnic Israelites every bit as much as the Jews.
They say the sins of Israel in the days of Joshua were in allowing the Canaanites to Live, and that they were supposed to Kill everybody, man, woman or Infant.
Some “peace” you’re preaching there.
I could go further challenging each of your Lies one by one…
But, Sir or Madam, and we truly know not which…
Because of your constant switching of names in pursuance of your Propaganda Flood, you see, we can’t tell if we’re addressing a male or a female.
Or a coordinated Bot with occasional human input.
But, Sir or Madam, unlike YOUR organization we have no bank of paid “volunteer” staff, coordinated and paid by Unnamed Taskmasters who tell us what we may or may not say.
We are Humans, friends to each other. Not hiding behind internet pseudonyms.
Your name changes only look the more ridiculous with the readily available to all our readers posting of your IP address on each comment, prominently displayed next to your “name”.
This appearance of “many Concerned Citizens acting out of the Goodness of their Hearts” is an absolute misrepresentation of the Truth, you are obviously compensated for your time and labor, otherwise you wouldn’t be able to afford to survive.
The Appearance you put forth would be successful, in the light that a casual reader would believe it and thus, by the sheer weight of your many names, actually think that the Right Wing Killers are actually a majority opinion.
This is the reason your posts are moderated.
And the reason we repeat this message, that you are in fact an Organized Group of Spammers, promoting instead of free porn or viagra or a line of credit that would never be paid back, you’re promoting the equally false and defective “product or service” of Peace Through Superior Firepower”
Not for YOUR edification, YOU are already fully aware of what you are doing, you are aware that it is Wrong and yet you continue to do it.
It’s for the edification and the information of those very readers you are seeking to overwhelm with your Propaganda.
Propaganda outlets like Fox News and the Jerusalem Post don’t allow US to use their resources to promote our message of Peace, why should we allow YOU to have more than 50% of OURS?
They also spend about, oh, ALL of their resources putting out YOUR side of the story. Even their commercials are Paid Propaganda.
If we contacted one of these Propaganda Outlets and demanded half, or more, of their broadcast time or of their Newspaper pages, for Free, of course, to promote Peace rather than Power…
Would it be “censorship” for them to deny that request? Of course not.
Thus, YOU should really seriously Quit Whining About Censorship if WE don’t grant YOU a similar forum for your Defense of Death Merchants.
Tony has a job, he works in health care, a Healer rather than a Killer like those you defend.
Eric sells books. An Educator rather than a Propagandist, such as yoursel(f)(ves).
We, unlike you, are not paid to sit at our keyboards answering allegations from Propagandists.
Your Task-MASTERS realized that when they set up your organization.
I, for instance, am badly disabled.
Today, I have to go out and take care of some things regarding my health, the details of which are exactly None Of Your Damned Business but which will take me several hours to complete.
I won’t be at the keyboard, in other words, for a while to come.
No doubt, since Spamming and Flooding are Your Only Job, you will have ample opportunities to, you know, Go do that voodoo that you do so well..
‘It’, or Mary as the current name is, continues to play stupid about IDF use of human shields. Here is the IDF using Palestinians as Human Shields is another very recent youtube video of the IDF practice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLmxLhp0PtU
Plus, there are many accounts like this one that for obvious reasons, the actual events never do make it on film. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acaU4D6dUqU and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIigLa__TL0
The Israeli courts ruled against this practice of the IDF in 2005, but these court orders were not followed by the IDF in either their Lebanon or their Gaza attacks since then.
Israel Attacks- Lebanon Burns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCLGIWA3WXQ
One must take into account that very few of these incidents can actually be caught on film, since any cameraman would more than likely be killed by the Israeli military. What does get caught on film though, are the bombs of the IDF on buildings full of innocent people.
If we look at the US leveling of Fallujah in Iraq, very little of that too made it onto film. The Israeli military operates in the same way so that it keeps its activities quite hidden away from public view. One can expect that the IDF propagandists will constantly trumpet its success at doing that by pretending that nothing bad has happened through their war making.
“Three posts ago you said that 94% of Israelis support the ongoing War against the civilians in Gaza.
Now you say “most” Israelis want peace, well, which is it?”
The two facts are not mutually exclusive. Israelis overwhelmingly support a Palestinian state AND they overwhelmngly support their own survival and self-preservation. Responding to Hamas’s 7-year missile attack with its own military action was an obligation of the Israeli government to protect its citizenry, which is the responsibility of every government. Indeed, Israel would have been in violation of the law had it not responded to Hamas.
“You don’t make peace by Force.”
Democratic entities should be able to make peace without force, at least in theory, however, Hamas is not a democratic government. And, the reality is you DO make peace by force. Destroying you enemy is a very effective method for having the enemy negotiate peace. The Allies made peace with Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan by force. Israel has establshed peaceful relations with Egypt and Jordan having established Israel cannot be beaten militarily.
“You want the “peace” of the Plantation, all the slaves bowing before your New Master Race and only on YOUR conditions.”
Israelis do not constitute a race not is Judaism a race., it’s a religion.
“Some of the people on the U.S. side of the Koalition of the Killing, and some in Bibi’s own party, have been advocating Ethnic Cleansing.”
“Some” do not create state policy.” Israel has offered the Palestinians the foundation of statehood in Gaza and the West Bank in 2000. This was the very antithesis of ethnic cleansing. Arafat rejected the offer.
“Purging Israel AND Palestine of anybody who isn’t Jewish”
20% of Israelis are Arab, approx. 1 million. Israel purged itself of Gaza in 2005.
“But, Sir or Madam, unlike YOUR organization we have no bank of paid “volunteer” staff, coordinated and paid by Unnamed Taskmasters who tell us what we may or may not say.”
I nor anyone else here are part of any concerted effort on behalf of Israel, other than being like-minded supporters of Israel. That said, most Americans support Israel, so it would not be that unusual for a handful of advocates of the state of Israel is put forth a certain point of view. Why do you suppose more people who are anti-Israel don’t post here?
“Tony has a job, he works in health care, a Healer rather than a Killer like those you defend.”
If Israel realy wanted to kill Palestinians for no cause, would Israel allow Palestinians to have access to medical care? Would the IDF have instituted a unilateral 3-hour ceasefire each day during the war in Gaza in order to allow for humanitarian efforts? Did the Allies drop their weapons each day in Nazi Germany during WW II to allow for the enemy to obtain humanitarian aid? Answer: No.
“We, unlike you, are not paid to sit at our keyboards answering allegations from Propagandists.”
As I already said, nobody, at least nobody here I know, is paid for posting here. This is a law school and most of us are too busy studying.
As for the youtube videos with Palestinians alleging IDF human shielding, these kinds of videos have proven to be unreliable as they offer just one side, potentially making them propaganda tools. You no doubt remember the staged “funerals” in Jenin, part of the Jenin massacre hoax, in which the “dead” miraculously walked away after they thought the filming had stopped. I’m not saying IDF human-shielding has never happened, as rogue IDF troops are as plausible as rogue troops in any other army, however, human shielding is illegal in Israel. Human shielding is not illegal among the Hamas. indeed, Hamas leaders have boasted about how their love of death commands them to want to human shield and be human shields. I think that is the distinction: Instances of IDF human shielding are so rare that when they do occur, it generates worldwide attention. I guess the world is just used to Hamas human shielding.
“One must take into account that very few of these incidents can actually be caught on film, since any cameraman would more than likely be killed by the Israeli military.”
This is mere speculation on your part based on nothing. IDF troops are accountable and would face severe punishment for killing journalists. Was Ariel Sharon not found culpable by an Israeli commission for his handling of Sabra and Shatila? Answer: Yes, he was.
“What does get caught on film though, are the bombs of the IDF on buildings full of innocent people.”
This is an unfortunate reality of war, provoked by Hamas. 25,000 to 50,000 innocent people were killed in Dresden.
Finally, while there is a vibrant Left-wing in Israel with the freedom to express their disapproval of Israeli policies, would it not be refreshing to see similar groups of Arabs in Gaza and elsewhere in the Arab world expressing disapproval of Hamas war mongering?
‘This is an unfortunate reality of war, provoked by Hamas. 25,000 to 50,000 innocent people were killed in Dresden.’
As IDF computer spokesthing ‘Mary’, you want everybody to believe that Jewish State Israelis want Peace and it just isn’t there because of Hamas. Of course, everybody knows that ‘Hamas’ is just the same thing as ‘Palestinians as for as proJewish State Apartheid people are concerned. There was no Hamas in 1948, and it would have been possible to set up a truly democratic Palestine/Israel then, but you Zionists wanted an Apartheid society for yourselves to run. It had nothing to do with Hamas, MaryLittle Lamb. It has nothing to do with Hamas, Spam Gunner Mary. And you’re no anti Nazi military force bombing Dresden after the Nazis killed millions of innocents in WW2. You are the Evil these days, not the Nazis of Germany.
Agreed, Tony, much the same way cops beat or torture inmates with the only witnesses being other cops, who won’t testify against each other…
or other Inmates, whose testimony carries the same stigma the testimony of Palestinian victims, “They all say that, they’re just lying to cover for themselves, yadda yadda yadda”
So the testimony of the Cops, or of IDF, against their fellows is non-existent, and the testimony of the victims is automatically shut out, at least in the eyes of the “My Country, Right or Wrong” Faction.
Mary or whatever name you use next, perhaps the reason IDF doesn’t want settlers in the Target Areas is it would look really bad if they carpet-bombed areas where Israeli Jews are in the way.
It’s ok to bomb civilian areas, in other words, as long as none of the civilians are Israeli.
Lebanon became a “target zone” and now, Gaza.
“As IDF computer spokesthing ‘Mary’, you want everybody to believe that Jewish State Israelis want Peace and it just isn’t there because of Hamas. Of course, everybody knows that ‘Hamas’ is just the same thing as ‘Palestinians as for as proJewish State Apartheid people are concerned. ”
The reason peace “just isn’t there” is because of a history of Arab rejectionism toward the recognition of Israel. The concept of a singular Arab/Jewish state would not have been realistic given their history of hostilities, particularly the Grand Mufti’s collaboration with the Nazis. The charge of apatheid in Israel is a red herring when apartheid is genuinely practiced in Arab nations. It reflects a tendency of many with a hostiity toward Israel to invent issues with Israel while ignoring real issues in the region. Apartheid is a state-sanctioned policy of discrimination and segregation based on race. Israel practices nothing of the sort. In fact, a few yars ago, Israel installed Arab-language street signs in communities with heavy Arab populations. Arabs are not restricted from any public buildings, restaurants, cafes, discotheques, etc in Israel and Arabs have the same rights as Israeli Jews. Saudi Arabia, in contrast, has Muslim Only roads, a clear throwback to apartheid South Africa, and Judiasim and Christianity, as well as other non-Muslim religions, are forbidden in Arab nations, another apartheid-type practice. So, apatheid charges against Israel don’t reflect reality.
“Of course, everybody knows that ‘Hamas’ is just the same thing as ‘Palestinians as for as proJewish State Apartheid people are concerned. There was no Hamas in 1948, and it would have been possible to set up a truly democratic Palestine/Israel then, but you Zionists wanted an Apartheid society for yourselves to run.”
It also would have been possible to “set up” a Palestinian state in then-Transjordan, which represented four-fifths of the Palestine area at the time, but, the British gave it to the Hussein family. Your quarrel over Palestinian land being “stolen” is with the Jordanians, not the Israelis.
The Israelis deserve a state just as the Poles have a naton in Poland and the Hungarians have a nation in Hungary. The Jews have a historical link to Palestine gdating back thousands of years.
Au contraire.
And this is one way to tell there’s a whole bank of you “non-Related” unconnected ones sharing one IP address.
The Palestinians currently in the Occupied Territories, which Israel has never really “given” back to the Palestinians, were Born There, and Gaza and the West Bank were in fact taken in a war…
Conquered people in a conquered land.
and since their population has More than doubled in the past 40 years, that means MOST of them were born and raised under Israeli Domination aka Occupation.
If you intend to “set them free” with the condition that they do as you tell them, that’s not Freedom.
It’s just a longer leash.
Gilded chains instead of naked iron ones.
You know, the kind of “freedom” the Israelis had under British Rule.
Israel has done more to “set the Palestinians free” than their fellow Arabs, you know, like the Egyptians, who “occupied” Gaza for 20 years before Israel took control of Gaza, or the other almost two dozen Arab nations who have steadfastly refused to help the Palestinians resettle.
“The Palestinians currently in the Occupied Territories, which Israel has never really “given” back to the Palestinians”
Israel never took any land that they have to “give” back. The land on which the Jews lived at the time of the UN Partition Plan was offered to them, which they accepted. The land on which the Arabs lived at the time of the Partition Plan was offered to them, as well, which they refused to accept. Most of the land was owned by the Turks for the previous 400+ years, who transferred ownership of the Ottoman Empire land mass, including Palestine, to the British, who defeated the Turks in WW I. the British transferred ownership to the UN. Jews emigrating to the area purchased land from Arab landowners who were more thsan happy to sell the land because it was useless and worthless. Israel comprises about 8,000 miles, Jordan about 35,000 miles. Seems pretty obvious that the Palestinians have far greater land opportunities with Jordan.
“And again, Mary Berko has the same IP address used by “Martin”
Prolly because we’re working off the same network, although, I’m not a techie.
‘The Israelis deserve a state just as the Poles have a naton in Poland and the Hungarians have a nation in Hungary. The Jews have a historical link to Palestine gdating back thousands of years.’
What a ton of bullshit! The Jewish immigrants came from all over the world and took the land away from the indigenous population already there. It was a plot! On the other hand, the Polish and Hungarians were the indigenous people. That’s a huge difference.
The Jewish people deserve a state all their own? Why? There are plenty of multi national countries around the world and it is only the racism of the Jewish settlers and their feelings of cultural superiority that makes the Jewish population think that they deserve to have everything for themselves. They’re nothing more than a group of murderers and thieves at this point. Mary’s mentality is that of a thug.
“What a ton of bullshit! The Jewish immigrants came from all over the world and took the land away from the indigenous population already there. It was a plot! On the other hand, the Polish and Hungarians were the indigenous people. That’s a huge difference.”
This is the narrative you choose to subscribe to, and you’re entitled to do so. There is a distinctly different narrative, however, supported by noted historians and scholars, that entails no land having been taken away from the Arabs, at least not illegally, and I’m entitled to subscribe to it. Neither you nor I were there at the time, and, so it can be debated for eternity. Both “indigenous” Jews and Palestinians have historical links to Palestine, which is why the UN, hardly a pro-Israeli body, decided to partition the land to both the Israelis and the Palestinians. Much of the land in Palestine taken control by the Jews in the late 19th century through the subsequent years was purchased legally from Arab landowners. Most of the land prior to WW I was government-owned by the Turks, for about 400 years, and, previous to the Turks, by the Mamluks, for another 200 years. So, we’re talking about 600+ years of ownership, not even counting the dozen or so other conquerors of the land, over the Palestinian area by other rulers. Records of land “ownership”, meaning deeds and land titles, during the Mamluk, Turkish and, later, English ownership of the Palestinian area are not systematic and, thus, cannot be relied upon for accuracy. Indeed, many fellahin chose to occupy land without taking legal ownership because of conscription requirements for doing so and tax consequences. As for oft-made allegations of stolen land by Zionist Jews, the League of Nations’ British Mandate, recognized under international law, took legal title of the land formerly owned by the Turks (Ottomon Empire) after they defeated the Turks in WWI, including Palestine, and legally transferred ownership of the land, including Palestine, to the UN, who legally established the state of Israel (UNSCR 181) on a part of that land. The indigenous Arabs were offered statehood, as well, but rejected it.
“The Jewish people deserve a state all their own? Why? There are plenty of multi national countries around the world and it is only the racism of the Jewish settlers and their feelings of cultural superiority that makes the Jewish population think that they deserve to have everything for themselves. They’re nothing more than a group of murderers and thieves at this point. Mary’s mentality is that of a thug.”
The Jews certainly deserve a homeland in Palestine given their historical and Biblical connection with Palestine; King David, Abraham et al. Anyway, that’s a moot point as Israel is a reality. As for my being a thug, I’ll soon be a lawyer, which is even worse in the eyes of many. LOL.
45 comments, more than half by one person pretending to be 5….
OR…. several persons who are paid propagandists using a software device to enable the flooding and or spam attack on this Weblog.
Either way, it shows the Depths of Depravity these fellows or this fellow, whichever “It” is, will sink.
I will remind our readers again, that these persons did in fact answer a call made by the Israeli “defense” Force to provide what they consider “justification” for killing civilians, Before The Slaughter Even Began.
That shows the Israeli “defense” FORCE intended to slaughter civilians, including and especially CHILDREN, and needed then and still need Paid Liars to make excuses for their unlawful and Shameful Cowardly Actions.
They are behaving in the same manner the British behaved when attempting to suppress the Jewish National Movement in Palestine from the end of World War One until after the end of World War Two.
The same way the Nazi WaffenSchutzStaffel and Gestapo attempted to crush the Resistance in every nation They Occupied.
Mary, if you’re going to become a Lawyer, and soon, wouldn’t you do better studying?
Rather than being a Paid Propagandist for Baby Killers.
The Baby Killers who fire the bullets are Cowardly Scum, what does that make people who Admire their “work”?
For those readers who missed the point there, one of Our Esteemed Guests is on a strictly volunteer and of course, uncompensated mission to provide hours a day of “her” time to spreading propaganda for the IDF.
According to “her” of course.
And also according to this known liar, “she” is doing this despite being a busy University Student, a Law Student, according to “Her” final sentence, who would be under ordinary circumstances preparing for Final Examinations.
Hey, there’s plenty of Right Wing Hate Groups who file lots and lots of Frivolous lawsuits and, and their Nazi colleagues who worked for and still do work for Homeland Security finding ways to circumvent Constitutional and International laws regarding the treatment of prisoners of War, so I guess “She” actually has another well paid career ahead of “her”.
“she” certainly has the proper credentials they look for, Fanatical Devotion to their Murderous Cause.
Their employees don’t need to be intelligent in any way, or know anything beyond Party Line Propaganda disguised as Legal Doctrine and disguised as “historic fact”.
“her” arguments have all boiled down to what Martin L King said about what the Gestapo and WaffenSS did…
“The Nazis didn’t actually violate any Local Laws with their actions”
IDF and the American Pentagon make the Law, at least according to them, so nothing they do is actually illegal, … at least according to them and their Fanatic Followers.
‘The Jews certainly deserve a homeland in Palestine given their historical and Biblical connection with Palestine; King David, Abraham et al. Anyway, that’s a moot point as Israel is a reality.’
Israel might be a reality as a racist Apartheid State today, and gone tomorrow? Of course, you would oppose that because you are a racist, and God has nothing to do with that. I do have faith though that the Jewish people deserve better than this as do the Palestinian Arab peoples as well.
Uh… the Palestinians also have connections to Israel as in David’s Kingdom.
The land was never really “empty”.
The olive trees cut down, that the IDF propagandists dismiss as irrelevant, take more than a human lifetime to be productive. An olive grove is what you plant for your grandchildren.
Somebody had to have been there and planted and tended them… for quite a while.
…same with the vineyards.
Also sharing the line of David…the Jewish Ethiopians.
Who are almost unanimously excluded from Israel, based on Racial Profiling.
The whole thread was started on information provided from within Israel, from an Israeli Peace group.
Mary martin ellen whatever your real names are, skulking behind your shared internet portal, saying that these peace groups are given equal protection under Israeli Law is the equivalent of what OUR pigs say about how we’re free to say whatever we want…
They tell us that as they’re beating us down in the streets.
That arresting us and assaulting us for the “Crime” of dissent is actually Protecting Our Rights.
Your local gestapo is no better than our own local gestapo.
Don’t like the nazi references? Neither do our Local Fascists.
They could, you know, put a slow end to it by just Not Acting Like The Gestapo…
It would take a while for people to stop associating them with that, but it would eventually work.
Incorrectly applying the racism and apartheid libels to Israel really just diminishes the tragic history of true apartheid and racism. And, it distracts from real racism and apartheid practices in the world.